David Kilpatrick “predictions”
The very known Alphamount “guru” David Kilpatrick wrote down a mix of rumors-speculations:
1) “Don’t buy any current Alpha mount lenses, as the next year will see revisions to the existing designs, of that I am sure.”
2) “The Alpha 7XX (750?) will have 1080i video and exactly the same sensor as the NEX5/3. It will not have Quick View live view, but an update to MF Focus Check Live View incorporating Contrast Detect focusing exactly as in the NEX5. The optical viewfinder will be comparable to the A700, and it will have SSS.”
3) “new 16-80mm with SSM and improved overall build quality.This lens will also be totally compatible with the NEX and Alpha adaptor.”
4) “Two other lenses which must be revised are the 11-18mm
source: Photoclubalpha
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Comment from erwinkfoto: Albert says:
May 23, 2010 at 7:07 pm
I...
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I do realize that Nikon doesn't...
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Thanks I have the A700 so it's ...
eneuman
2 years ago |Glad they are updating lenses. But where is the 24-105G SSM for my a850?
Mat
2 years ago |I think you’re safe buying a 16-35mm or 24-70CZ lenses. They’re great and won’t be getting a refresh.
Sony
2 years ago |Even Sony must realize that abandoning the Alpha mount would alienate both of their current customers and greatly reduce the odds that anyone would trust them enough to build a camera system with anything other than canon or nikon.
Albert
2 years ago |I don´t think that…
Sony won´t invest anymore in DT lenses, all the new APS-C lenses will be NEX compatible, probably the same NEX lens motor and yes, OSS, good bye SSS…
No 18-270mmm, Sony already announced the E 18-200mm and it kind of lenses will be its APS-C lens format… no more DT.
The new kit E 18-55mm is already unveiled and a E 55-200mm is coming.
Probably we will see the a new E SWA.
Sony could be discontinuing the actual DT 18-55mm SAM, DT 55-200mm SAM and 50mm SAM because the first is already substituted, the second and third is coming as E lens, probably a new E 50 or 55mm.
My prediction:
-The NEX line will be the next and future APS-C Sony line, bye-bye problem with: contrast AF, HD video, video AF, size and incompatibility between Alpha products.
-No more DT lenses (no SAM lenses), all the new APS-C lenses will be E lenses made for contrast AF.
-We will see a new E 55-200, E SWA and some new E prime (probably a 50mm).
DCT
2 years ago |3) “new 16-80mm with SSM and improved overall build quality.This lens will also be totally compatible with the NEX and Alpha adaptor.”
So now is the big question. Wait for this or get the cz24-70?
FreeRadical09
2 years ago |Great, so now lenses can cost up to 40% more just because they get a noisy and slow motor instead of a screw.
Next they’ll tell us is that the batteries need to be replaced, ergo, a new camera body eventually will be a must.
Once they revise all lenses, then they will drop the screw drive motor on the entry and medium level models and just save it for he expensive ones, making the Minolta legacy lenses unavailable to people without expensive bodies.
I’d like to say that these are just Kilpatrick’s hallucinations, after all he is the man who said SSS on FF was impossible, but looking at Sony’s current strategy, it wouldn’t surprise me if tomorrow they tell me that my screw drive lenses are now useless and I got to buy everything again to be up to date with them.
I honestly hope they dont, because I will go with Nikon if that happens.
If they keep the screw drive compatibility and the revised lenses are affordable, then I’m all for it, otherwise forget it Sony.
Oh, and I really really really hope you dont drop SSS in favor of OSS, I find it more reliable in body than in lens, not to mention that I don’t think you would put OSS in ALL your lenses.
eerikoo
2 years ago |I won’t take any of you as a valid source, but I knew from the start that this NEX toy cameras was bad news, I’m afraid they will fuck up a lot. But on the other hand if FF continues to drop price, then I’m on my way to the A850+++++
Morten Rosendal
2 years ago |What about the new a5XX DSLR? Any news/rumors on when the camera comes out?
Alpha700
2 years ago |@FreeRadical09
You do realise that Nikon dropped the AF motor from their entry level cameras years ago? So you would be swapping to a manufacturer that has already limited your AF lens choices!
There are going to be Sony AF motor bodies around for a long time.
I don’t understand peoples obsession with upgrading dSLR bodies anyway.
Dude
2 years ago |@DCT
Even with upgrade to SSM the 1680 will be total differnt target than the 2470.
Optically the current 1680 is already very nice.
But than again we are talking 600€ lens vs 1600€!
The new 1680CZ will be more expansive but still remarkable cheaper than the 2470.
Is price no decision pointer for you?
Not at least 24mm is not wide anougt for landscape on a APS-C amera.
The 2470 feels good on APSC but is no walk around solution like it is on FF (or the 1680 on APSC).
If you have the money get 2470 with A850 and smile^^.
Rob
2 years ago |Would I be the only one who would wish for an upgraded 24-105? Better optics and SSM would make it a winner on FF.
Rob
2 years ago |Oops – sorry eneuman – I concur.
Steve
2 years ago |To do autofocus with video means contrast AF like what NEX does. Apparently the problem with the NEX adapter and AF is that Alpha lenses interface to the motor works with Phase detect AF well, but it’s difficult to interoperate then with contrast AF.
It’s entirely possible then that Sony is going to introduce a new motor that has two modes of operation, to support Video and NEX adapter. This may mean that their existing implementation of live-view with a second sensor goes away in favor of main sensor live view using contrast AF and this new lens capability.
I suspect this is what David is alluding to.
Jon
2 years ago |Rumours are rumours guys! Although Tamron are developing / manufacturing a 75 – 300mm lens at the moment so may see a sony badge on that as well as the 60mm Macro! With an extra £100 price tag!
Will
2 years ago |Surely some people must be pleased at the idea that NEX lenses will end up on DSLRs? The silence of the NEX lenses is a big draw, isn’t it? Not only for video recording, but also just to keep silent in places where you don’t want to attract any attention at all?
DCT
2 years ago |@Dude
Thanks I have the A700 so it’s an APC-S instead of a FF. But price is not an issue, just I don’t want to buy another camera though :p.
FreeRadical09
2 years ago |@A700
I do realize that Nikon doesn’t offer a AF motor in their entry level cameras. My comment about switching to Nikon is because of the fact that Nikon is less likely to introduce such drastic changes in their line up compared to Sony. Ï don’t even consider Canon at all because their APS-C and FF lenses are completely compatible among camera bodies.
I don’t upgrade bodies on a frenzy like most people do, but when you’re invested in a system, you want a certain feel of security that your lenses won’t be useless in 2 or 3 more years. Unfortunately I haven’t got that from Sony for a while.
Like I said, if they are keeping in body motors, SSS and they don’t put insane price tags on the new lenses, bring it on and let’s keep shooting.
This is why I didn’t want Sony to put video in their DSLRs, now the camera and lenses have to go through changes that may not be in the best interest of people who actually use their cameras for photography, just because the gadget crowd asked for things and they didnt know what it entailed. Sony should have just produced the new E-mount Handycam 2 years ago and not just now.
Sky_walker
2 years ago |“Nikon is less likely to introduce such drastic changes in their line up compared to Sony.” – This is entirely not true. Nikon spoled it’s DSLRs in the day they removed the AF motor. And just don’t say me that it’s not a drastic change.
Currently Canon is most stable DSLR company. Not Nikon for sure. Even Sony is more reasonable in “removing stuff” than Nikon right now. Not even saying about problems with Nikon service providers when your Cam gets broken (at least in Europe)
“There are going to be Sony AF motor bodies around for a long time” – yep. Sony also told that NEX cams aren’t made with the cost of DSLRs. They are separate line, just like compact cameras are. So people… why all that panic here? LOL
Don’t be silly. Sony isn’t Olympus who have to nearly-abandon it’s DSLR line to play for the EVILs.
erwinkfoto
2 years ago |Albert says:
May 23, 2010 at 7:07 pm
I don´t think that… (………)
@ Albert:
They aren´t talking about E-Mount lenses here. Tamron´s 18-270 VC (OSS) is there a while now, Sony with about 12% shares of Tamron may take this design an market it and rebadge it as a Sony.
(Like they did with the 11-18, “28-75*” and Konica Minolta´s 28-75, 17-35 and some more).
* = Sony´s 28-75 isn´t identical with Konica Minolta´s & Tamron´s 28-75, but it is almost the same.
And as the NEXes (at least, NEX 3 & 5) do not have any SSS, it would be very convenient to have a 18-270 with OSS, which you could use through the A-Mount adapter
(not the one launched with the NEXes, it would be very silly, I mean one WITH AF).
DT = APS-C sized field of view.
The fact that Sony is discontinuing the 18-55 and the other kit lenses with SAM is very interesting.
I think, they will optimize the SAMotor to make it even quieter (to avoid being heard when recording video) and (as you mentioned somehow) optimize them also for contrast AF (maybe other coatings, new ROMs?)
I don´t say you aren´t right at all. But I don´t think, Sony will “drop” the DSLR market that way.
Even if they want to do it as soon as posible, so they could make NEXes for the public and some very expensive DSLRs (APS-C and mostly FF) for professionals, enthusiasts and vintage lovers…
I meant NEXes “for the public”, because the production costs – if compared with (D)SLRs- are a lot lower.
—> Because of the lack of high precision mechanical parts and expensive optical prisms.
But the usual public itself would be against such a development, therefore will Sony not risk that at all. They will develop the NEX – E – System parallel to the Alpha System and I think – and hope – they will try to reach a good level of compatibility between Alpha & NEX (I mean, Alpha lenses in NEX cameras, not the opposite).
The current adapter to use Alpha-Mount lenses in the NEX doesn´t support screw-AF (and as far I know SSM/SAM neither). This is a decision made by Sony, as at the current stage of developing, it was not possible to implement a good-enough-AF-performance with the adapter.
But I think, a better – AF capable – adapter should be arriving by the launch of the NEX 7,
not later than that.
(The question if it will support SSM AND SAM & screw-AF will just then be answered,
not sooner I think).
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“Will says:
May 24, 2010 at 2:04 pm
Surely some people must be pleased at the idea (……………)
@ Will:
Because it can´t be made without dropping the mirror in the DSLRs. If done, the DSLRs would be just EVILs . (Because of the flange focal distance, the distance between sensor & the mount).
The E-Mount lenses are designed for a flange focal distance of 18mm. “E”ighteen.
You get it?
A-Mount lenses are about….42mm? No. Sorry, I looked it up
It is 44.5 mm.
I think 42mm is the “ffd” of the SR-Mount (Minolta Manual Focus).
So, in order to mount an E-Mount lens to an A-Mount body, you have to stick it very deep into the camera body, making it imposible to flip up the mirror (I think, if you keep sticking it until you reach 18mm, you wouldn´t have any mirror at all
)
I hope, I didn´t talk to much ####
but I´m very confident of every sentence I write down.
And sorry for my english. ^^
Greets,
Erwin K.