Sony NEX-FS700 announced!
And the next NEX camera has been finally announced. It is the FS700 camcorder! The full press release can be found here at Sony Europe. Specs and images:
4K Super35mm CMOS sensor
3G SDI Out
Internal ND filters (clear, 1/4, 1/16 and 1/64),
Super Slow motion (120-240 fps Full HD or 480 up to 960 fps with reduced resolution),
2xXLR,
108024p and 1080/50p AVCHD 2.0
MemoryStick or SDXC Cards or on external HXR-FMU128 recorder
Price is yet unknown. The camera will be available in June!
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Danza
2 years ago |Finally… NOW we’re talking. Providing the specs hold up (and price isn’t ludicrous), thank you Sony for finally giving us the features we want. If Panasonic don’t counter I may have to jump ship.
Rooru S.
2 years ago |WOW…just WOW…NEX cam division is getting more and more serious!
JB
2 years ago |Too bad there was no NEX G lens or NEX CZ zoom lens to go with Vid Cam.
I wonder how the CZ 24mm would work with no OS in it.
Rooru S.
2 years ago |mmmmm maybe pro will do as they do always since early days…with some sort of external stabilization system similar to the commercially available Steadycam merlin
Vivek
2 years ago |A NEX body that makes all the E lenses look tiny! LOL!
JB
2 years ago |MemoryStick?? Why Sony? Why?
Seeky
2 years ago |Can you read? Memorystick is only one of the supported storage media.
SonyBoy68
2 years ago |Memory Stick or SDXC Cards are supported. Cool
Alfonso Cuitiño
2 years ago |Silly question, I know nothing about video: “Super35mm CMOS sensor” means that it’s a full frame sensor?
Amir Kh
2 years ago |Super35mm is the standard motion picture film format …
Matt
2 years ago |No. 35mm film goes ‘through’ the camera vertically rather than horizontally – this means the maximum width of the frame is only as big as the maximum height of the frame in stills. So if stills is 36mmx24mm then motion picture film is 24x? (changes depending on aspect or how many perforations it uses).
NEXfive
2 years ago |What Is Super 35mm? Good explanation here:
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/articleImages/MR25/super.jpg
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/camcorders/nex_fs100_review.shtml
Crop Factor is 1.6 when filmed 16:9 and 2.0 with 4:3 according to Sony’s FS100 Infos, where the SEL-18200 becomes a 28.8-320 & 36-400mm equivalent.
At least in 16:9 mode this should be quite similar when filming with a NEX-5N or VG20, since the specs of the VG20 name an equivalent of 29-322 & 27-300mm.
Alfonso Cuitiño
2 years ago |Thanks for the explanations
Steve
2 years ago |Super35 is a 1.5 crop. Slightly bigger than APS-C like the 7D, 60D, T2i, etc.
The Lotus Eater
2 years ago |So exactly the same as all Sony, Nikon and Pentax APS-C cameras, right?
Andrew
2 years ago |yep.
Sky_walker
2 years ago |no, it’s not identical. It has same crop, yes, but the sensor size is sightly different.
Matt
2 years ago |No. They are roughly the same width (APS vs s35) however the APS is taller due to the difference in aspect ratio (3:2 vs 16:9). FL equiv FOV should be 1.5x crop on the horizontal.
NEXfive
2 years ago |Well, I’d posted Sony’s official 16:9 video crop factor here four hours before your post: It’s 1.6 for the FS100/700, 1.61 for the VG20 (also probably 5N) and 1.8 for the VG10/NEX-5. With 4:3 due to the Super 35mm sensor smaller in height than APS-C the crop factor is 2.0 and 1.5 with APS-C sized sensors in NEX-5/5N/VG10/VG20.
Matthias
2 years ago |Super-35 is NOT the same size as APS-C, but slightly smaller:
The exact sensor size of the Sony NXCAM NEX-FS100E/U/J is 23.6mm x 13.3mm, therefore crop factor 1.6x compared to 35mm film (24.0mm x 36.0mm).
The exact sensor size of the Sony Handycam NEX-VG10E/A/J and NEX-VG20E/A/J is 23.4mm x 15.6mm, therefore crop factor 1.5x compared to 35mm film.
Matt
2 years ago |This is a poor comparison. The VG10 has an APS sized sensor in a 3:2 ratio as most stills cameras have, however crops the top and bottom of the sensor for video recording, making the USED sensor area very similar to s35.
Jerome
2 years ago |I wonder what the 3G SDI spits out.
雜草
2 years ago |3G SDI is a serial interface used to transfer uncompressed video signal.
It uses BNC connectors with coaxial cables.
3G means it’s a new standard whom transfer speed is up to 3 gbps.
Jerome
2 years ago |Thanks. I meant 10bit or 8bit, sorry for not being more precise. Seeing as there’s no mention of 10bit anywhere, I think it’s safe to assume it’s 8bit, like the C300 (8bit on 10bit carrier).
Cheers!
Amit Zinman
2 years ago |No, it’s not FF, it’s APS-C equivalent.
However, the large body looks like it was built so it could be easily modified to fit A lenses. Wouldn’t that be cool?
Matt
2 years ago |Erm how do you mean? You can use the existing LA-EA1 and LA-EA2 adapters on it anyway, why would you ‘modify’ it?
Amit Zinman
2 years ago |I would rather not have to buy an expensive adapter on top of the already considerable expense of the camera.
BlackLegSanji
2 years ago |Saying the LA-EA2 is too expensive to be used for a $10,000+ camera is like calling a $20 adapter on eBay too expensive after buying a NEX-5N.
Matt
2 years ago |So you would rather modify a $10k camera an void the warranty not to have to buy a $150 adapter?
Jerome
2 years ago |.
malchick743
2 years ago |Can someone confirm this is NOT another April Fools spoof?
admin
2 years ago |It’s REAL!
Manoj
8 months ago |I think a lot of people get parengnt and decide they can turn into garbage disposals. I was mindful about what I ate and I gained only 30 pounds . She was apparently doing kung fu until 2 weeks before the birth and yoga 3x a week too. Obviously in her case genetics play a HUGE roll.My baby-weight took just over a year to get back to normal I’m neither young nor that fit! I didn’t do that much really. Tried to keep away from too many snacks and Maltesers mainly, swam and cycled and the rest went whilst being a busy mama.Nice angle on malnorished Monday today MM.
Zstan
2 years ago |240fps at HD! That is WOW.
Rooru S.
2 years ago |After Reading the press release at Sony Europe site…I’m quite jealous that they pay more attention to users of the video camera division and offer quality support while the photographic camera division users are quite ignored…hope that based on recent news, the alpha cameras division get some budget to start offering more intelligent support and better products.
Matt
2 years ago |Sony is much bigger in professional video than professional stills sadly. Still with the ongoing convergence of that two Sony will be able to collaborate much more closely between the two which will be good for both divisions.
Sky_walker
2 years ago |Yea, Sony video division is huge comparing to SLR (or SLT or however you call it) one. Video after all was one of the buisness Sony started with, and FS series cameras are part of video division, not the NEX one. Hence the awesomness goes to FS100 while we need to wait patiently… >_>
Matt
2 years ago |I want to know what that big ring is in the middle? Is that just part of the ‘look’ of it, or is it actually a control dial, perhaps to use with a follow focus that controls the fly-by-wire focus on the E-Mount lenses? If so, that would be very very cool
Matt
2 years ago |Actually it looks like it could well be! That hold switch directly below it would suggest it is to ‘hold’ functionality of the dial. That would have to be just such and amazing idea.
Joe
2 years ago |if priced under 10k it will be a killer
Lollo
2 years ago |It will likely kill the F3, which was shot in the leg by the scarlet.
This F700 will shoot plenty in the legs…. If the look of the file is good and organic, it will give a run for its money to the Alexa as well.
john
2 years ago |Rumored to be 8-9K
Should be C300 killer but not in RED’s league.
http://www.eoshd.com/content/7710/the-sony-nex-fs700-4k-for-8k
Lollo
2 years ago |Sorry but the eoshd guy is indeed quite knowledgeable, but he has never touched either cameras…. What you pointed me to, is a nice reading. But it is nothing conclusive and does not even mention the Red.
If the Sony will be on scarlet price range, it will have to compete on specs and quality of the file or it won’t sell. Therefore it will be on scarlet league.
It is that simple.
john
2 years ago |Of course price has everything to do with it.
If Sony charged 25K it would be in same league.
Most of the time you get what you pay for.
That was my point.
00aeiou00
2 years ago |man, this is great !! it will change the way photography is done. pulling individual frames out of an 8MP RAW stream. i already penciled this purchase for news years day 2014
cheers, Josh
Vivek
2 years ago |You are ahead of me by a couple of years.
E
2 years ago |I think photography it’s about a completely different thing: It’s about capturing the singleness of one moment being in complete phase with that instant. What you point out is only picking the best image of a rush of images… not very interesting for me artistically speaking.
future
2 years ago |To complete your excitement: Combine that with a light field camera like the Lytro! Being able to set also the focus in post-processing of the RAW stream at super slow motion with 240 fps … that would really revolutionize photography to be basically just post-processing.
Arthur
2 years ago |It could make some serious movies with a 70-400G lens
pancanikonpus
2 years ago |Damm the slomo FHD & ND filter, we gonna see it in FF alpha
fantastic!
Amir Kh
2 years ago |Why would digital camera have builtin ND filter? A99 is not a camcorder. ISO can go down to 50 on A77.
And the sensor in FS700 is optimized for video. No chance you will see 4K on A99.
Matt
2 years ago |Erm for DOF control in bright light? Or long exposures in bright light?
Amir Kh
2 years ago |No, thanks. On still cameras you put ND filters on lenses when you need them. There are no still cameras with builtin ND filters, which would unnecessarily increase the size of the camera for something which is useless in 99% of shooting. On camcorders on other hand, with larger sensor, you need ND filter. The base sensitivity on FS100 is eqv to ISO 800
SonyA77
2 years ago |I think built-in ND filters would be fantastic.
Adam Maas
2 years ago |X100 has a built-in ND, quite a number of higher-end P&S’s have had them over the years.
Scooby Doo
2 years ago |The Fuji X-100 has a built in ND filter.
You were saying?
Matt
2 years ago |An ND filter in the body is much smaller than having one on the end of a lens, it is quicker and easier to engage, won’t cause vignetting issues on wide angle lenses, costs little to implement. Why WOULDN’T you want them in a stills camera?
I know, because they don’t normally have them – people are so resistant to change.
Sky_walker
2 years ago |bigger body? definitely not worth it.
Never the less: a purpose of it could be the same as a purpose of regular ND filter, only it’s much quicker to turn it on/off.
With dedicated video cameras size isn’t that much of an issue, so they’re fine with adding filters in videocam.
Jack carter
2 years ago |No tethering on this one. Watcha gonna do nigga?!
Rob
2 years ago |Cliff, where are you?
cliff
2 years ago |So how do we record 4k video off SDI?
What device is on the market for that today?
Rob
2 years ago |Will the alpha 99 be 4k capable? I’m waiting for 36 megapixels with no AA and 4k!
cliff
2 years ago |Sony Pro broadcast division has final say on most consumer video products. Every camera needs to approved by Sony Pro….its its “too good”, they will force the product to be firmware crippled. They are huge believers in market protection.
Sony Pro will never ever allow a 4k Alpha camera to exist today. Not for at least 18-24 months. 4k is Sony Pro domain. They will fight hard to protect it for themselves.
Plus,….we still have no 4k codec answer yet. Sony will never implement MJPEG for 4k. They will either make their own proprietary or implement HEVC h.265 next year.
Matt
2 years ago |Sony already have a 4K codec for their F65, but you are correct -Sony will protect their models. Having said that you could say the same about RED with their Scarlet, I mean it’s basically an Epic right?
Rob
2 years ago |Canon is developing a 4K dslr – wonder if Sony’s going to play ball or just let Canon take over that sector of the market.
moebius22
2 years ago |Did they fix the flawed viewfinder design?
Matt
2 years ago |What was the flawed design, I haven’t noticed anything wrong with it?
passer-by
2 years ago |OVF? Hahahaha…
Matt
2 years ago |According to Engadet the 120fps is limited to 16 seconds and the 240fps is limited to 8 seconds. Neither of which is terrible mind you, just hoped for longer.
Sky_walker
2 years ago |still quite impressive. Guess the overheating is an issue (remember liquid nitrogen cooling of dedicated ultrafast cameras?). Never the less: 120fps full HD? VERY tempting.
Amir Kh
2 years ago |FS100 didn’t overheat … it could shoot till battery runs out
Sky_walker
2 years ago |But it didn’t have 120 full HD output, did it?
Besides: FS700 doesn’t overheat either. It’s just safety reason related to sensor temperature why they limit the high speed burst to 16 seconds (which is VERY long, you don’t find any longer sequences in films anyway).
Matt
2 years ago |My guess is it is to do with buffering. This is a slow-motion ‘mode’ not a high frame rate mode. Difference being that it buffers those few seconds at the high frame rate, but writes it out to the card at the standard frame rate. Well that is what they used to do to tape, however that would have its own tape spool limitations.
Rojocinco
2 years ago |You can see in the top photo That it has a switch to change between photo mode or video mode
Ibota media
2 years ago |Is scarlet in for some trouble or what!?
Chris
2 years ago |Andrea,
Any news about NEX 7 white?
Amit Zinman
2 years ago |As long as it shoots AVCHD and non-pro color space, then it is out of the pro league.
Adam Maas
2 years ago |It also shoots 4K and in Pro colour spaces. You get both options.
cliff
2 years ago |AVCHD’s 8bit 4:2:0 specs aren’t too bad.
You can look at Sony XDCAM EX. It’s got the same specs and it has been somewhat adopted by Pros. I know many broacast companies own EX1′s and EX3′s.
NBC used several EX1 crews around the China for lots of city/country shots for thee Olympics broadcast. Discovery airs tons of material shot 8bit 4:2:0. 99.99% of people can’t tell the difference on their home TVs.
Now keying and heavy color correction, that material needs 10bit 4:2:2 for sure.
Amit Zinman
2 years ago |That’s okay, here in backwards Israel some field work is still done with the Panasonic DVX-100, and it was considered to be “the” pro camera for years.
Things are moving forward though.
hanugro
2 years ago |I don’t think a NEX-mount video or still will ever be a pro league. NEX was created as a high end amateur video/still in mind. The benefit is that the mount flange is so small that it make fitting old/other lens is easy via adapter. But it also a disadvantage in creating quality native lens for it. Prime is maybe easier to design than zoom.
Rob
2 years ago |How many adapters are available for NEX mount? SO MANY! is the answer. Don’t say something stupid and dogmatic about NEX being created for high end amateurs – this clearly is a pro quality unit (albeit pared down). With this unit, the artistic masses will have a tool to create true cinematic masterpieces – bravo Sony for making that available to so many.
hanugro
2 years ago |I still think it is not. If it is not costing tens of the thousand it is not a pro in Sony’s broadcasting unit. The fact that NEX has so many adapters open Sony’s eye. Before that Sony only plan to create VG20 like device with this mount.
I don’t say it is not an impresive machine but limiting to AVCHD is one reason. Also I don’t say that ppl can’t make money from using it (definition of pro) to shoot next blockbuster. They should just let ppl record in RAW video with the highest bitrate and charge more, but it will hurt their broadcasting unit.
I am not into video so I may not know about this, but one thing that puzzle me is AVCHD 2.0 already support 4K resolution? Or 4K super35 CMOS is not a 4K sensor?
Rob
2 years ago |The AVCHD is for 1080p output – 4k is 4K RAW 3G-SDI output. Read the brochure before trying to come off as an expert and dissing something.
cliff
2 years ago |AVCHD as a codec does not support 2k or 4k resolutions.
The new HEVC codec certainly does. (Nickname h.265)
The new h.265 is twice as effecient as h.264 but requires 3 times more calculations per second.
obican
2 years ago |Just take the FS700 and put any Zeiss Cine lens in front of it. It’ll work.
hanugro
2 years ago |It is the AVCHD2.0 28Mbps bitrate that concern me a bit.
Matt
2 years ago |That is the in camera recording, if you don’t want to use it use an external recorder to record to ProRes or uncompressed. We have a PDW700 which records at only 50Mb/s which is often fine for most productions and great for field work in harsh conditions, but if you need more just hook up an external recorder.
Ray oody
2 years ago |So that means no fixed lens NEX???
Matt
2 years ago |Why would this mean that? Completely different divisions and the rumour has always been 1 NEX-C3 replacement, 1 motion picture camera (I assumed below FS100) and one other NEX.
Jean
2 years ago |I think, if we will be able to record to external recorders, the slow-motion may simple run until the hard-drive was filled up – but that’s assuming recording externally will take heat/stress off the cameras CPU/motherboard.
Matt
2 years ago |I don’t know any external recorders that can handle those frame rates, however they shouldn’t be far away and Somy themselves are working on an external recorder for it.
c.d.embrey
2 years ago |Solid Camera http://solidcamera.com/SCI/Solid-Camera-digital-cinema-accessories-cinematography.html Makes a PL Mount and viewfinder mount for the FS-100. No reason that they won’t do the same thing for the FS-700
Here’s a video demo of the system http://vimeo.com/31585359
Cyrus
2 years ago |The videocamera (called the NEX-FS700U in the United States and the NEX-FS700E in Europe) is scheduled to ship in June for less than $10,000, including a 18-200mm lens.
That’s still not cheap, but it’s a lot less expensive than its high-end F65 CineAlta, a 4K camera that went on sale last year for $65,000.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-57407947-264/nex-fs700-pushes-down-sonys-4k-videocamera-prices/
Matt
2 years ago |I suspect this uses the same sensor as te F65. The F3 will likely be updated with the same soon F5 maybe? But will be PL mount, have onboard 4K and a few more higher end features.
Rob
2 years ago |Looks like 4k tvs are coming in the fall – here’s a review of one company’s, where upconversion is the main theme, due to the lack of content over the next while ( http://www.trustedreviews.com/sharp-4k-tv_TV_review ). Has anyone seen a sony 4k tv review/?
TheCineGeek
2 years ago |There is a new Sony NEX-FS700 User Group over at Vimeo:
http://vimeo.com/groups/fs100