Indonesian agency leaks the NEX-5R and NEX-6 names (they have Wi-Fi support!)
Our reader Paul (Thanks!) fand that the Indonesian agency postel.go.id just listed the new Sony NEX cameras having Wi Fi support. The NEX-5R and NEX-6. We know from previous rumors we got from our sources that this cameras will have:
NEX-5R: 180 degree flip screen (like the NEX-F3) and 16 Megapixel sensor and Wi Fi support
NEX-6: Built in Electronic viewfinder (lower resolution compared tot he NEX-7 viewfinder). Wi Fi support and price between NEX-7 and NEX-5R.
The cameras will be announced in September right before the Photokina show. There will be also three new NEX lenses, a 16-50mm pancake (I am 99% sure this is coming) a 11-18mm pancake and a fast prime lens.
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Douglas Grillo
10 months ago |I’m looking to upgrade my Nex 5n, because the overheating at video recording, hope the Nex 6 doesn’t suffer from overheating.
tony
10 months ago |never had overheating problems with my 5n.
Z-man
10 months ago |The NEX 5n has one of the longest recording times with an APS-C sensor, they all overheat at some point, mine at 24 minutes or so. The Panasonic GH doesn’t seem to have this issue.
schwungsau
10 months ago |they all overheat, its photo camera, the video is for shooting shots (2-6sec a take, film like)
if wanna record your daughter scoocergame, get decent camcorder, sony have lots of them from casual to pro.
NEXfive
10 months ago |NEX-5R is good news, since I don’t want the F3′s integrated flash, nevertheless I’d prefer something like a 5N with GPS instead of WiFi – and please, Sony, sell a white version also in Europe at least bundled with the new standard zoom…
Cruxado
10 months ago |GPS is a must today in age!
Linh
10 months ago |Welcome to the world of 100 shots per battery.
The Lotus Eater
10 months ago |How do you know the 5R doesn’t have an integrated flash?
NEXfive
10 months ago |…because they avoided to name it F5.
nick
10 months ago |I don’t think the random lettering that Sony use for the NEX camera’s has any bearing on the configuration of the camera. Both the lower and higher model now have integrated flash so it’d be surprising if they don’t include it this time.
The Lotus Eater
10 months ago |Indeed Nick.
Fly Moon
10 months ago |I don’t a new NEX5? I already have one! I need pro autbracketing, GPS and time-lapse.
AVESTA
10 months ago |yeah, time-lapse would be amazing… I’m getting tired of filming long intervals and speeding them up. Also, the resolution would be better than the video
adam
10 months ago |the ‘BALAI UJI’ means Test Lab
Hoola
10 months ago |I want GPS and I will pay a premium for that!!!
Patrick
10 months ago |But many of us wont and that is something any company will care about…whether putting and extra GPS and therefore charging an extra $XX for it is worth the risk of that camera being compared unfavorably against others because it costs XX more and offers XXX more or less.
Cruxado
10 months ago |I’m excited about the Fast Prime. Will it best the 50mm f/1.8?
Patrick
10 months ago |Although the 50mm 1.8 is a good lens, it isnt a lens difficult to ‘best’. Difficult to improve on at that price, yes. Difficult to improve on at any price? no.
SonyHemuda
10 months ago |I was saving for Nex-5R+16-50mm combo. Now I am really looking forward to seeing nex-6. I wanted something less then nex-7 and more than nex-5. I can then jump to nex-ff whenever it comes.
poch
10 months ago |nex6 – builtin evf and hotshoe pls ..^^
Matt
10 months ago |I don’t care if the NEX-6 is 1.44 dot, just please don’t be phase sequential like the a55/33/35/37/57 please, please, please!
Also, fine to not be Tri-Nav, but maybe one extra dial on top (kind of like E-P2 vs E-PL2). Mode dial would be splendid too!
Sounds like the NEX-6 will be to the 7 what the 3 is to the 5? So I wonder, being that build quality will be ‘lesser’ than the 7, will it be lower than the 5 and more like the 3 in this regard?
AVESTA
10 months ago |If it’s way cheaper than the 7, I would guess it’s plastic like the 3…
The Lotus Eater
10 months ago |That makes absolutely no sense. The NEX-6 will not be plastic if the 5R is metal.
Matt
10 months ago |Actually it does make sense. Not saying it will be the way it goes, but if you imagine the 6 and 7 are the viewfinder NEX’s and the 3 and 5 are the non-viewfinder versions, it is entirely possible that Sony will use the materials and feel of the cameras to differentiate them.
What I am saying is that while the 6 sits above the 5 in price, it isn’t necessarily more ‘premium’ than the 5. It is the budget EVF model so who knows what we will see?
Also if we want to compare to say a57 vs a65 vs a77 – Is the 65 better made than the a57? No. Is the a65 of lower quality construction than the a77? Yes. However, the materials/build of the NEX-5n and NEX-7 are closely related, so it is entirely possible that the NEX-6 will be of lower quality construction than it’s NEX-7 sibling as a point of differentiation without having to factor in that it will ‘feel’ more ‘low end’ than the NEX-5n, which is the ‘premium’ non-EVF offering.
Patrick
10 months ago |I agree this makes sense. See, Canon 7D, 60D, 600D, 650D. They are, internally, essentially the same cameras with the same sensor and, bar the 600D, the same quantity of processing engines.
They don’t eat each other because of their price, but rather they are chosen for their ‘build’. For example, my friend bought his 60D because he thought the 600D felt too cheap. Nothing else.
So, NEX 6 will be cheap feeling NEX 7 with EVF downgrade and NEX 5n/R is premium non EVF NEX. I think I won’t replace my 5n unless the NEX 5R does actually improve image quality, or video quality (new processing engine, new Bionz for example) I don’t care much for GPS or LAN so those are extras I am willing to live without.
That being said, if NEX 6 has a new Bionz processor, it could mean that those 24mp (I imagine it will be the same) could have improved IQ.
Watch that space.
PhotoFan
10 months ago |No! No! No!
Yet another camera from Sony?
There have been few months since last presentation, this means we definetely need new camera!
My next camera will be Nikon.
Stevey
10 months ago |Any more details about the 16-50 ? Apertures ? Size ? Cost ? Quality ? Features for video ? etc… I really hope it isn’t an f/4-6.3 pos.
The Lotus Eater
10 months ago |If it’s a pancake, it will be f3.5-f5.6. Don’t know where you got f4-f6.3 from.
Stevey
10 months ago |Pancake is a prime lens design – I’ve never seen nor heard of a pancake zoom. I’m assuming that they mean collapsible, not pancake, and that Sony have tried to make this lens as compact as possible, a bit like the collapsible x lens Panny make. So obviously it won’t be fast but just how slow …. ? Unfortunately, Sony make a few f/x-6.3 zooms so for me, worst case, it is f/4-6.3 and it’s severely compromised optically to keep it as compact as possible. Of course, I hope not but…
NEXfive
10 months ago |…but I’ve seen a pancake zoom: http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-14-42mm-F3-5-5-6-G-Series-Digital/dp/B005J5TZVG/
Stevey
10 months ago |That’s collapsible. But you can call it pancake if you want. Personally, I thinks it’s a waffle.
viking79
10 months ago |I would maybe consider that a pancake zoom, but it just won’t be possible for a pancake 16-50 and 11-18 mm at the apertures they want. I am almost positive they will just be compact like the Samsung 20-50 mm is compact since it collapses (it isn’t very compact, but noticeably smaller than the 18-55).
David Lam
10 months ago |Wish the NEX-6 got 3 control rings -
one control ring on the lens mount – just like RX-100
one on the back controlled by the thumb
one on the top controlled by the thubm or first finger
Place the video recording button to a ‘safer’ position
EVF as good as A77/NEX7
Hot shoe + built-in flash
Tilt screen like NEX-5N is fine, flip-out screen like G12 is better
Touch screen Please!
Rooru S.
10 months ago |You’re going to end with a lot of rings you know? Imagine having a zoom lens on such a thing…Zoom ring, focus ring, ring around the mount, and the two dials. That’s a lot of turning.
Engineer
10 months ago |I will no longer buy cameras without GPS built in. Sony needs to figure this out. I want my photos, *and* my videos GPS tagged by the camera.
Sony needs to stop screwing this up. WiFi is nice, assuming it isn’t some BS arbitrary protocol. But GPS is a necessity.
Since Sony was selling GPS camera accessories in the 1990s, they have to know we want it.
I’ll pay a bit extra for it, fine, just deliver it.
Dave Lively
10 months ago |The problem with adding a GPS is that not everyone wants one and it adds to the cost of the camera. Based on the cost of standalone GPS units and devices available with or without one I am going to take a SWAG at $50 additional cost for a GPS good enough to work in most houses and under thick foliage. Probably not enough to make me not buy a camera I would otherwise want but enough I might look at different models or even a different system if I did not own any NEX lenses.
Why would I not want a GPS? If you leave it on all the time it sucks the battery dry. If you leave off until you need it you have to wait for it to lock on before you take a picture. On a GPS that cannot use cell phone towers to get an approximate starting locations the ones I have usually take 20-30 seconds to lock on to enough satellites to get a position.
About 2 years ago I started using Lightroom which makes it very easy to add tags to many pictures at once. When I look at pictures I took before then my biggest question is not where but who. I inherited the family slide collection that goes back to the 50s a few years ago. My father usually tagged the photos by writing names and locations on the edge of the slides. In most cases I could figure out where but who would have been a complete mystery. I also found that “Willow Lake, CO” is better than “N39 38.745 W106 10.393”. That made me realize that adding tags was worth the few minutes of time it takes. What I would really like is for Lightroom to let me identify a person in one shot and then add that name every time it recognized that person. I think this would take too much CPU power to be a camera feature at this time but maybe someday.
oolzie
10 months ago |You can purchase individual micro-gps chips starting at around $10 each. That’s individual prices. Sony’s volume discount would cut that significantly. Cost is certainly not a valid concern and it can always be disabled. There’s little reason to not include it these days.
Tofa
10 months ago |Funny that you mentioned the “recognising functionality”. iPhoto does a pretty good job with faces.
I’m not sure if you’re a mac user or not. But basically i use LR for editing and still use iPhoto to keep all my exported files. Might not be your cup of tea though.
Hoola
10 months ago |Agree. GPS is a must.
Hoola
10 months ago |Yes, we want GPS too. Heck, even the point’n shoot has GPS. If Sony can put GPS into a point’n shoot, they sure can put GPS into a NEX
Miroslav
10 months ago |5R? How do they come up with such names? No logic at all…
Dee
10 months ago |I don’t know how an ultra wide angle zoom can be pancake. This part of the rumor must be a mistake.
Denis
10 months ago |It’s short flange distance. Hope they do something with microlenses alignment: both 5N and 7 are not good enough in this aspect (7 is worse, but 5N has significant smearing with WAs too).
Stevey
10 months ago |Zooms are not pancake. Pancakes are short/thin lenses and when you zoom , for most zoom lenses, the barrel extends so it is no longer short/thin/pancake. It’s obviously confusing to label them as such but what can you do ? It’s marketing bs. People want pancakes so pancake they are, even if they are not. Some zooms are internal and don’t extend but they are never pancake; they are always of a substantial length. So clearly Andrea or someone is having difficulty expressing the idea that these are compact zooms, and/or collapsible zooms, and may contain high refractive index elements to keep them shorter. But let’s call them pancake and keep the marketing ppl happy.
Dave Lively
10 months ago |I do not care how thick the lens is when being used. What matter is how thin it is when it is not in use. If the upcoming zooms are thin enough to fit into a large pocket while mounted on my 5N while collapsed they are a pancake.
In general a pancake lens seems to mean a lens whose length is less than 60% of its width in storage position. Words mean what the majority of people think they mean, not what you want them to mean.
You just have to deal with it when you disagree with the common definition and move on. At this point trying to get people to use your definition of pancake is as pointless as trying to convince others that gay means lighthearted and festive instead of referring to someones sexual orientation.
Stevey
10 months ago |I agree language use can change. Love used to be stative but McDonald’s gave us lovin’ it, and why not. It certainly sounds better than enjoying, which used to be the most common dynamic term.
However, even wikipedia says that pancake refers to fixed focal lengths, not zooms. So I can’t agree with you about your statement of what a pancake is. But I am happy to say a zoom is a pancake, why not.
In fact I was responding the first post which said that an ultra-wide zoom is being called a pancake and that this must be wrong. Even Oly’s compact collapsible 9-18 is not a pancake by any possible definition so it is a feat of both semantics and optical engineering for the rumored Sony lens to be one.
As I said before, people have been demanding pancakes, so now every short/compact lens is a pancake. Even the iPhone has a pancake eh ?
Dave Lively
10 months ago |The only zoom I would call a pancake is the Panasonic 14-42X. Whoever wrote the Wikipedia article might not have been aware of that lens.
You are probably right about the ultra wide not being a pancake. Making a wide angle zoom short is tough, particularly when it might be on a camera like the NEX-7 which does not like light hitting the sensor at an angle in the corners. Even without that limitation it is hard to make a very short zoom. Panasonic had to sacrifice the zoom ring, focus ring and some structural rigidity on the 14-42. At certain shutter speeds it often produces motion blur from what I have read. Hopefully the electronic first curtain shutter will make that less of an issue on NEX cameras.
I am still hoping the 16-50 will fit my definition of a pancake but may change my mind once I see the actual lens. If it is poor optically or cannot be used at certain shutter speeds I will not want it. I do not expect the ergonomics to match a larger lens but depending on how zoom and focus controls are implemented that may not be a deal breaker. My alternative would be to buy a RX-100 for when I need a camera that has to fit into a large pocket.
Stevey
10 months ago |Panasonic describe their lens as “ultra-compact” and “retractable-type zoom”. But wait for marketing peeps to catch on that people want pancakes and for sure, they’ll want to use that moniker.
http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/H-PS14042K
I hope it’s a good lens too, but unfortunately, the sensor-to-mount distance is so short on nex that Sony have their work cut out for them with short ultra-wides, as Denis (above) already pointed out, and then add the zoom range, and the need for collapsible/compact….well, it’s a lot to ask. Wait and see.
Linh
10 months ago |NEX-5 Rebirth.
Patrick
10 months ago |HAHA! +1!
NEX Vengeance!
clivengu
10 months ago |“a 16-50mm pancake (I am 99% sure this is coming) a 11-18mm pancake and a fast prime lens”
I wish the 99% sure refers to 11-18mm pancake as well.. This will be AWEEESOME.! im glad i skipped buying the 1850 kit lens with nex7.
Pablo
10 months ago |WIFI? FFS! I still quite can’t get it, that there really are people that voluntarily expose themselves and their families to this radiation. Gosh, educate yourselves! Don’t be stupid anymore and quit on microwaves!
Matt
10 months ago |Erm, you can like… turn it off. Or you know, not buy it. Just saying.
Michele
10 months ago |So I guess you’re using an RJ45 cable to connect you PC to the net and you’re not using a mobile phone. You don’t watch satellite tv or don’t use GPS, if you sail you use the stars and the charts and you never fly… And so on… And so on… And so on… And so on…
Patrick
10 months ago |Boom! +1
Hellven
10 months ago |radiation?? so you dont get out in to the sun light? that’s radiation… you stay at home and turn on the light? damn! that’s radiation too!!
PHYSICA
10 months ago |NEX-6 , Build-in EVF , lower mp , lower price , that seems very good !!! i love NEX-7 but i don’t like it’s high density of sensor….. i love NEX-5N’s sensor
Patrick
10 months ago |Part of the NEX 7 attributes are its 24mp and its tri navi system besides the built in EVF. Again, as the example I mentioned above from Canon (7d, 60D, 650D, 600D), it is more likely to be a 24mp sensor with a dumb down tri navi and the downgraded EVF and a cheaper feel.
Jim
10 months ago |Well, I’ve sold all new 16Mp Sony stuff because of video overheating. Old 14Mp NEXes are more reliable. BTW I use it only for video work, while A700 and A900 for photography. BTW, 14 and 16Mp sensors have issues in night photography – that’s why I never trade A700 for A580.
I would be glad if Sony used 12 Mp sensor for all APS-C stuff, overheating seems to be directly connected with pixel number…
The Lotus Eater
10 months ago |“BTW, 14 and 16Mp sensors have issues in night photography – that’s why I never trade A700 for A580.”
What issues?
travelshots
10 months ago |Which issues did you notice at A580 night photography? A580 is my current camera for night photography and results are better than with my previous A700 (or my A77). Did never notice any issues with night photgraphy with my A580.
Rooru S.
10 months ago |Well, as long as the NEX-6 does have the same tilting screen, or better the swivel screen, I’m getting it. Flip screen is just a no go for me when I’m in a crowd trying to get a shot above my head and just imagine to hold a camera like the NEX-F3 upside down…no no, Tilting screen (same as NEX-3/5/C3/5N/7) or swivel (or better the one on the A77)
For now, the NEX-6 looks like the best option. And this reminds me that it seems Sony is reading a bit on forums and other sites because first, people wanted the A65 body with a 16MP sensor and then they dropped the A33/55 body style to offer what people wanted. And now, for some time, people wanted the NEX-7 body with the 16MP sensor. Now let say all together. WE WANT LENSES!!
edit: wondering what SP3 means…Speed/Special Production level 3? LOL
Dair
10 months ago |Not really much interested in wi-fi here. It won’t bring much improvement to images. Just another way to drain the battery. Hot shoe or option to use EVF along with the flash would be better news. As well as the so-easy-to-improve thing like the strange white cell phone-like menu system….
Wishmaster
10 months ago |WiFi would be great to tether camera to tablet when it’s attached to the tripod and you want to wirelessly set settings and take a picture. With low latency that could be as good as IR remote.
Hopefully that is why sony wants to include WiFi in their cameras.
Dair
10 months ago |IR remote costs just a few bucks and does not drain the battery to death. Adjusting settings via phone does not seem like extremely useful feature to me, considering the cost payed in battery life…
euy
10 months ago |Alhamdulillah!
Tomas
10 months ago |BTW is there any system behind this cryptic C/F/N/R naming thing?
Miroslav
10 months ago |The one who breaks the code gets NEX-7 with Zeiss 24mm
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obican
10 months ago |Canon/Fuji/Nikon/Ricoh
The next models will be called NEX-5L and NEX-P3
Miroslav
10 months ago |Great one! The whole office is wondering why I’m laughing and it would take me 10 minutes to explain
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Barry
10 months ago |NEX-3I and NEX-5V
That would be the case if we stick to the number of the letters in the alphabet (+3 for each new version the NEX-3, and +4 for each new version the NEX-5).
Matt
10 months ago |Hmmm how about:
NEX-C3 – C for Compact (More compact than NEX-3)
NEX-F3 – F for Flash (Added an inbuilt flash)
NEX-5N – N for New (upgraded guts, more or less same as NEX-5 externally, so NEX-5 but ‘new’)
NEX-5R – R for Restyled?
WW
10 months ago |please update the NEX-7 firmware and make exposure blanketing works with the remote!
Ray oody
10 months ago |NEX5R. As in Recording. This camera will be just as great as the GH2. >I’m trying to make sense of it.. But I hope beside the lower resolution on the NEX6 nothing is low quality is there. One less dial I’m alright with it!!. But please different menu interface.
Patrick
10 months ago |Now that is interesting….indeed the 5n gained infamy because of its rather limiting overheating issues with filmmakers (albeit the quality is great) and the clicking noise. This could indeed make a big difference.
travelshots
10 months ago |Most interesting question about NEX6 is, if it has the great 16MP sensor or if it has 24MP like NEX 7 (which would make it much less interesting).
Concerning overheating: I recorded 90 minutes video non stop with my RX100 (of course with the short interruption after each 30 minutes when you have to restart the video). Recording was at an ambient temperature of about 30°C. After 70 minutes a temperature warning sign appeared on the screen, but the camera continued recording flawlessly. Hopefully, the new NEX will also have no overheating problem.
Patrick
10 months ago |My bet is on the 24mp one. Who wants to put a wager on it?
LR
10 months ago |But i think Viewfinders are more photography oriented and “low” megapixels sensors more video oriented.
Daemonius
10 months ago |Wi-fi? Hm.. so they think Samsung is actually threat to them? Cause they are only ones with wi-fi in cameras.
Matt
10 months ago |I don’t think it has anything to do with Samsung, WiFi is pretty much an inevitable connectivity for cameras to have built in. Even my Nikon D1 had optional WiFi, but as lower and lower powered chipsets become available it will be built in to more and more cameras.
sold
10 months ago |Wow… 11-18 compact zoom? If it really is compact–and if it is significantly better quality than their current 16mm offering–I think I’d be sold on this system over micro four thirds. But, what I really wish is that they’d offer a slightly bulkier and much better quality 16mm, and equivalent to M43′s excellent 12mm.
nobody
10 months ago |Maybe Nex-5R with 24mp and Nex-6 with 16mp?
Matt
10 months ago |That is interesting, I hadn’t thought of that possibility.
Douglas Chew
10 months ago |@SONY ENGINEERS: It would be REALLY useful to have a setting to set a Minimum Shutter Speed and everything else to be automatic.
I shoot a lot of candid pictures and ensuring that the shutter speed doesn’t fall below 1/250 second would ensure my pictures would be less fuzzy.
Can you add this feature with a firmware upgrade?
Mario
10 months ago |Did you mean shutter priority mode? My NEX-F3 has it. I thought every NEX camera had this mode, no?
Douglas Chew
10 months ago |The issue I have with Shutter Priority mode is that it LOCKS the shutter to a specific value.
I’d like a feature where I can say “no lower than 1/250, BUT the camera can adjust the shutter faster, if needed”.
Thanks for the response, Mario!
Doug
Jean-Michel
10 months ago |The worst is expected : Nex-6 with the 24PM sensor despite the fact that all people want the 16Mp sensor in the Nex-7 body.
squidgy
10 months ago |Nice Sony, WLAN is really good to have and extremly useful. No need for that stupid GPS! I just hope the 5R will also have the inbuilt flash as the F3 and the 7. Then it´s just perfect.
Pipo
10 months ago |Am I the only one who is really getting excited about the 11-18mm? I’ve waited for a real/affordable wideangle lens for my NEX-5 all the time.
Any info about the price?
Victor
9 months ago |can we expect a camera we can use on concerts? Silent?