Complete A77 review posted at Dpreview! More hints about the Sony A77 and A65 2.0 firmware update…
Dpreview posted the full A77 review (Click here). The camera earns an overall score of 81% and a Silver Award: “We’re pretty confident though that whatever your level of expectations and expertise, the A77′s rugged and well thought-out ergonomics, innovative full-time live view and AF systems and exceptionally good EVF will keep you very happy indeed. However, the somewhat mushy JPEG image quality, high noise levels and slightly laggy operation stop the A77 from getting a gold award.”
Dpreview findings are not a surprise. The camera is good but Sony has to improve the JPEG engine via firmware upgrade. That alone would make the camera almost perfect. Of course there is still a way to get the maximum out of the camera. And that is by shooting in RAW. Just look at that JPG versus RAW comparison to see the huge difference: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonyslta77/page18.asp. The A77 sensor is really good without the Sony jpeg engine!
The A77 is finally in Stock in Europe at Sony.fr, Amazon.fr, Amazon.de, Sony.de, Sony.nl, Sony.se, Jessops, Sony UK, Amazon.co.uk and Warehouseexpress,. And in Asia at Digitalrev and Amazon.jp
One more thing: Another “source” sent me this: “I was informed by person from SONY. Both camera was designed with special Bionz processor, but before releasing they put some better and new one processor inside camera and that make the problem. That is why they are going to release 2.0. It should work perfectly. Lets hope.”
If the rumors coming from asian websites are correct version 2.0 should be out in early November!
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Oldman
7 months ago |Dpreview POSTED THEIR REVIEW OF a77
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonyslta77/
Jordan Carr
7 months ago |Unless it improves picture quality it won’t matter.
Read the new Dpreview review posted a few hours ago.
Bummer. 4 years for this! Preorder canceled.
Futile
7 months ago |goodbye
hanugro
7 months ago |Strange to take decision based on reviewer that is traditionally more biased to Canikon. But you are right, you deserved to try before you buy and cancel your pre-order.
dk
7 months ago |JPEG shooter
/shrug
Maveric19
7 months ago |I shoot in both raw and jpeg but for the most part shoot in jpeg. Perhaps we need to learn to shoot in raw to fully appreciate the A77. I won’t be making any rash decisions until I’ve played with it a little.
Kalpurush :)
7 months ago |Good for us, one less Troll around!
jonathan
7 months ago |the a77 is jpeg’s and noise output are good but nothing spectacular like the NEX-5n. Such a disappointment for a camera that everyone has been eagerly anticipating to.
Sliv
7 months ago |Oh dear…they can’t just compare the camera noise in the 100 % view. Of course the A77 is noisier…because it has 24 MP! You need to scale it down to the same size to be fair.
Avenir
7 months ago |They did get it and made separate comparison of scaled down A77 images on the same page.
Maveric19
7 months ago |I agree. If we were looking at 8×10 or anything smaller than 20×30 photos we might not be so desappointed as the crowd suggest.
REVENGE
7 months ago |Good thing I already shoot in RAW. Can’t wait to see the NEX-7 review. Also, almost all of the recent DSLRs have “scored” exactly the same on the chart in the Movie Mode category. Biggest disappointment was learning that the EVF can’t do live view during Continuous Hi.
Dave Cox
7 months ago |Pixel Peeping Pedants 2 Realists 0
purex
7 months ago |Just as expected, now we will see if Sony finally understand that their ISO performence not as good as the competitor are and actually do something about this in the upcoming “professional” models!
Gabriel
7 months ago |I saw test and samples on DPReview. As I expected, ISO performance above 1600 is poor. It is no good if this camera wants to compete with Nikon D7000, Canon 7D and Pentax K-5.
I hope new SLT FF camera will have lifting mirror mode while shutting. If Sony can’t planning classical DSLR or mirror-less Alpha-mount camera, then would be good option a fusion of SLT and mirrorless mode with raised mirror.
David
7 months ago |It only beats them in dynamic range, colour sensitivity, autofocus speed, video capabilities, resolution and live-view capabilities
Yup, how could it EVER compete?
Eric
7 months ago |Obviously it would be nice to have super clean ISO6400, but I rarely ever need anything above ISO3200; do you? I personally would rather have the sensor that is better up to ISO1600, than the sensor that is better over it. Just the extra cropping space 24mp allows for will be a wonderful asset to me.
High ISO tests are a lot like top speed tests in cars; fun to brag about, but not applicable in real world use.
Gabriel
7 months ago |You have right, more photos I do on low ISO. But sometimes I photograph concerts and high ISO is very needed.
Alex Dewars
7 months ago |Despite the scathing remarks about noise, 81% is the highest mark given to any camera in that range.
Zstan
7 months ago |Yet people are bitching like its one of the worst cameras of all times!
Go and and buy 7000 dollar 1DX then!!
tailor
7 months ago |+1
zinanga
7 months ago |Actually, I think my “old” 7d gets 84%, Sad because I have preordered mine. Dunno what to do
(
REVENGE
7 months ago |The 7D is in a different category.
The Lotus Eater
7 months ago |-delete-
Solo
7 months ago |People need to stop expecting full-frame performance out of this aps-c sensor. And as already mentioned, this has received the highest marks of a camera in this class.
The same idiots need to also remember that the A77 has 24 MEGAPIXELS, when scaled to the equivalent resolutions of competing models from canon and nikon, the noise is equivalent if not SUPERIOR in the Sony model.
What is wrong with you people?!
Gabriel
7 months ago |Not exactly. Look at pictures here:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonyslta77/page25.asp
You can compare photos here:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM
A77 have worst details at high ISO! Even D7000 and 7D with lower resolution have better details. When you go on first link, put rectangle on blue clock. On images from A900, 7D and D7000 you will see more clean details and you can read on clock “Paul Smith” without problems. On image from A77, with even higher resolution, you will see huge noise without details and instead of “Paul Smith” you will see a mash. Big resolution cannot help here.
Marek
7 months ago |Well, the latest generation of SONY sensors simply goes not have half f-stop edge of sensitivity to sensors of other manufactures. The loss of light at t-mirror will always be there. I’m O.K. with that. If I were not I would buy SONY FF.
dk
7 months ago |+1
Some people are actually stupid enough to expect SLT cameras to have the same high ISO performance as SLR counterparts.
Gabriel
7 months ago |This is not about stupidity, this is about competition in the market. Sony shows good sensors and good performance in A580. If other firms creates more and better sensors, resolutions and heigh ISO performance, Sony can not stay behind. A stupid person is not the one that says what she does not like, but the person who cannot think. I did not say A77 is a bad camera but I told about resolution and translucent mirror as a weakest point during recording image from sensor. No advertising and marketing can change that and technology is not excuse. Olympus E-5 is proffesional camera with poor high ISO performance and small sensor is not excuse.
Jonathan
7 months ago |May I ask, why have they taken the A77 at F8 and the Canon and Nikon at F9 apature?
I noticed the depth of field was different when comparing the images and the A77 was out of focus before the D7000 so I downloaded the samples and found the pictures have been taken at different apertures for some reason?
I belive the D7000 also looks ‘sharper’ due to either focus issues OR the aperture diference, for example look at the small blue ball located in the black box with reels of cotton you will notice the text below this box is not in focus with the A77 (depth of field issues) where as the D7000 has better focus meaning the test is not accurate, the D7000 also seems to have more sharpening done (or perhaps it’s just due to the lower resolution or softer focus on the A77) hard to tell but it would be good to get these pictures updated with better focus and depth of field.
Due to the focus issues I then tried to look at objects slightly further ‘Back’ in the shot and I then start to see the A77 does have a resolution advantage over the D7000 even in these flawed samples. You can see this by viewing the ‘globe’ and trying to read text such as: Madagascar, Arabin Sea, Libya, South Africa..etc..etc.. Also again the numbers even further behind the globe again can be make out even more clear look at the numbers 4 ,5 ,6 located right behind the globe.
Another area you can view much better resolution on the A77 is when viewing the Martini bottle (again in the furthest most back position being the top of the bottle you can read the text ‘Suppliers of Martini vermouth’. Also the texture of the bottle just below this label you can see fluff, dust and other detail the D7000 is simply not picking up at all “OR” it’s had more processing done to it perhaps?
I’m only comparison the JPG’s as I don’t currently have a RAW processor where I am at the moment but found this very interesting
harpo
7 months ago |They also used the sony 50 1.8 on the a77 and the sony 50 1.4 on the a580. Don’t know what gives there?
Peter
7 months ago |Gabriel, regarding your Clock comparison – just chose a different area of the picture. For example, there is some white on red text and a coin left above the center of the image. You can easily spot, that the A77 keeps up with the other cameras.
So, what you’re complainig about, is not the camera but the worse lens performance in the corners. It’s not the camera, it’s the lens!
Next time check carefully before start flaming…
Gabriel
7 months ago |I don’t agree. You have right when compare at ISO 100. “Paul Smith” is smooth and it’s lens fault. But try check this at ISO 3200. On image from 7D and D7000 You can read this, from A900 You can read this, but from A77 You cannot. It’s too big mush. It is not flamming, it’s conclusion after my observation. I can not help that the details of such a dense sensor is low. Next time don’t attack me, but just say own conclusions. We do not need to have the same opinion. Maybe You observe something what I missed, it normal, we are just humans. But this time I cannot agree with You.
Peter
7 months ago |Gabriel, what I assume to happen is, that the lens softens the contrast at the edges (which lowers the image detail) and with the lower contrast the de-noising algorithm does not preserve the “contrast edges” giving detail and messes up the left-over detail.
So, having a better lens, the detail contrast would be better and the de-noising wold give results as in the middle of the image. Even at higher ISO.
Again, I (and, yes, sorry for attacking you, we don’t have to be of the same opinion) blame the lens more than the camera, sensor and firmware.
Anyway, a firmware-update might bring improvements, and improvements are always welcome.
Solo
7 months ago |OH sorry Gabriel, I didn’t realize you are concerned about 100% crops and not tests of image quality that have any real significance. I wish you good luck on your quest and saving up for the 1DX.
Again, don’t know how people like you could stand to shoot all those crap dslrs not even 5 years ago…
Solo
7 months ago |And again I ask WHY are you comparing this to the A900?!?!? You realize the A900 is $2700 body alone and in a completely different league as far as hardware is concerned? Lets throw in a D3S for good measure, you can complain about the difference in iso performance between those two as well right?
Dave Cox
7 months ago |Go and look at the indoor photos at ISO 3200 and tell me you can see any difference between the D7000 and the A77. The A77 pictures are actually larger, but leaving that aside the noise is about the same for both – in fact, if you look at the bottom right of both pictures the words on the book and on the wine bottle are clearer on the A77.
Doug
7 months ago |Even if what you say is true, the A77 should be significantly better than a Nikon DSLR in the same class that came out a year ago. Sony is treading water with regards to image quality. That’s not good enough.
David
7 months ago |Dave, you are a voice of reason on this site!
The comments in dpreview are unbelievably dumb too. Complaining about pixel level noise.. it’s “unuseable” etc
Yet ignoring significantly better dynamic range and colours
jacek
7 months ago |You want to compare blue clock which is in the corner of image??
They were using “cropped” Sony 50/1.8 glass, it’s not perfect in corners
VS
Canon(Nikon) FF 50/1.4 glass, which will be perfect even in corners.
They should use FF Sony 50/1.4 to be fair. by the are not.
Mad about Sony
7 months ago |Agreed Solo!
The Lotus Eater
7 months ago |-delete-
Sky_walker
7 months ago |“Menu system a little confusing” – ugh? What? OK, I understand that dPreview crew is used to Canon and Nikon cameras, but seriously: A77 menu confusing? I never had any problems with it, even when I used camera first time for few minutes.
RDoe
7 months ago |+1 oke Sony Aplha user since years, but the menu in Canikon are just plain awful!
David
7 months ago |Yup. Don’t cameras are BY FAR the easiest to use.
My a850 is almost childlike compared to my girlfriends d90.
Gabriel
7 months ago |Many times reviewers more liked Nikon or Canon menu, but I think menu inside Sony is most intuitive.
David
7 months ago |Definitely. Plus the fn button.. everything is there!
Try to do something simple like set a custom wb on my girlfriends d90. You need a proper menu dive. I can do it all through the viewfinder of my a850.
Zstan
7 months ago |Agreed. I still cannot figure out how to use the canon 60Ds menu properly after usin it a few
Times.
Gabriel
7 months ago |My friend have D90 and menu is so complicated when you compare it to Sony’s.
NEXTL
7 months ago |Where is the update for the NEX-5/3 to support AF for A-Mount lenses with the LA-EA2?
NEXfive
7 months ago |…according to http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1042&message=39635827 the LA-EA2 Adapter has got a label announcing new firmware like this:
“Requires firmware upgrade for NEX-5/3/3C/FS100/VG10.
(Firmware available from winter 2011 onwards.)
For details, refer to the Sony site.”
Adam
7 months ago |I still dont understand why High ISO suddenly is the most important thing in a camera. If you compare this review with the review of the A700 (http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonydslra700/page32.asp) and look at the conclusion the only real mention of ISO is that the reviewer is annoyed that the base ISO is 200 and that it is not indicated anywhere.
Of course it could be nice to be able to photograph in total darkness – but is it really that important?
And what is not taken into account is the “in body stabilization”. As the review points out you gain around 3 stops with this turned on. So if a camera that has no stabilization has to shoot at ISO 12800 the A77 can get by at ISO 1600(!) Of course all cameras can use stabilized lenses – but, as the review also points out, both Canon and Nikon dont deliver these lenses for wide-angle work … and they are sold at a significant premium.
MF
7 months ago |I do a lot of event photography and indoor sports photography and unfortunately not all places are lit up too well like the Chicago Bulls stadium for example! haha
So yes, High ISO is important for me and after getting the A77 I am very disappointed in the quality at even 800 ISO. Its a shame though. I was looking forward to this being an awesome camera for such a long time.
Adam
7 months ago |This image: http://www.flickr.com/photos/adambindslev/6268172609/ is shot at ISO 1600 — I really dont see the noiselevel as unacceptabel in that.
MF
7 months ago |wow! i really must have got a really bad camera. I returned mine. Im going to upload my image that i took at 800 iso.
David
7 months ago |MF, a good trick is to overexpose it a bit. The noise is much worse in underexposed areas or shadows. And boosting an underexposed image later generates a TON of noise.
And fwiw, unless you’re submitting stock photography or something, nobody is going to criticise images for noise. (And I can’t see many stock photos being done at ISO3200 or something)
It’s such a photographer issue. Noise disappears in print too, and anything destined for a magazine/newspaper gets printed in awful quality anyway.
Wedding clients or even the people you submit your sports photos to likely won’t care. If you aren’t giving them 100% size files to pixel peep, would they even notice? Hell, a lot of people *ADD* grain in post-production anyway!
MF
7 months ago |http://www.wearehq.com/a77/a77800iso.JPG
i know its not the best picture ever. I took a test shot with it and this is what it gave me. Look at the noise. I took it back but im quite sure I must have got a bad batch.
Adam
7 months ago |I think part of the reason – as David points out – is that noise is a lot worse in areas that are underexposed. I think that if you turned up exposure just a tiny bit you would have gotten a much much cleaner image.
Expose to the right – develop to the left.
MF
7 months ago |Thanks guys. I do understand what you are saying. I wish I had time to do a comparison. I know one is an A900 and the other is A77… full frame/APS-C… all of that. I just mean the brightness of the image, the sharpness, the noise at 3200 and so on.
I cant fault the AF though. At times I was shooting with it and I thought it was just shooting and not focusing. Hahaha but it was focused and shooting 12 FPS no problem. It was just the sharpness and noise.
Im going to wait for another month or 2 and go and buy another copy and hopefully 2.0 will be on the cameras and I can really go in on testing.
MF
7 months ago |and thanks David and Adam for the schooling on the overexposing.
balroth
7 months ago |+1
brizmako
7 months ago |I’ve just shot a 4-day performance art festival and had to use my old backup camera – A350. Noise issues galore with low lighting and gels but nothing I couldn’t work around.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-HYy_drULBJ8/TqgCjp_kQ1I/AAAAAAAABms/WpjCnMiPktE/s1024/20_10_11___v2.jpeg
Use RAW, stay off full-auto, meter wisely. It’s not rocket science xD
harpo
7 months ago |Adam, nice shot! What lens were you using?
Adam
7 months ago |I was using the Tamron 70-200 f2.8 – love that lens
john
7 months ago |“I still dont understand why High ISO suddenly is the most important thing in a camera. If you compare this review with the review of the A700 (http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonydslra700/page32.asp) and look at the conclusion the only real mention of ISO is that the reviewer is annoyed that the base ISO is 200 and that it is not indicated anywhere.”
The review of the A700 was in December 2007 but in April 2008 this came along:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond3/
and changed how the world views high ISO.
Yes it is a FF camera and a bit ridiculous to compare but it is the benchmark high ISO camera to which all other cameras will be measured against.
Now canon have answered 4 years later with their 1D X.
Sony have come close with their NEX 5n but nothing in their A-mount line up.
Maybe Sony can set a new benchmark with their future A88/A99 or NEX9.
Need for high ISO is not always about shooting in low light.
I personally need clean high ISO for high shutter speeds, 1/2500+, for BIF/Hummingbirds/Clear wing Hawk Moths etc.
dd
7 months ago |amazon.fr > 1600€
Khalil
7 months ago |I ordered the a77+16-50mm for 1600€ online on the Sony website a month ago! xD
Adam
7 months ago |moved
MF
7 months ago |can a firmware upgrade really improve the image quality?? I mean its purely CGI then rather than an actual Lens > Sensor image no?
Not being horrible, just trying to understand it more. #learning haha
Adam
7 months ago |A firmwareupgrade can dramatically improve IQ – especially on the JPG-files … but of course firmware cant alter physics of the sensor.
MF
7 months ago |so do you think that the sensor is perfect, but the firmware is a fail?
Adam
7 months ago |I dont think anything is perfect … but for my use the sensor is really good. The dynamic range, the reproduction of color, the resolution – it is a really good sensor. When equipped with a fast lens like 50mm f1.4 I can shoot almost anything I need. As stated earlier – of course I would like it to have no noise at ISO 500.000 … but that just is not happening. I get better ISO with the Canon 1DX – but I can buy 5 A77 for the price of one 1DX.
There is no perfect camera – and if High ISO is your thing – look elsewhere. I have set my Auto ISO to be between 100 and 800 … the results I get from this camera is stunning.
harpo
7 months ago |Adam,
Are you using the Sigma 50 1.4 with the a77 and did you have any issues with compatibility between the two? I’m thinking of picking up the Sigma 50 but, have been worried about Sigma/SLT issues?
Thanks
Adam
7 months ago |No – I use the Sony 50mm f1.4
dk
7 months ago |Upgrading yourself helps, trust me.
MF
7 months ago |what do you mean?
monkeyfacemcbride
7 months ago |I think he means it never hurts to become a better photographer, which is 100% true. Many of the problems you see in the A77 images can be overcome by learning the camera and gaining more experience in photography. For example, image noise is generally more prevalent in shadows/dark areas, so if you accidentally underexpose the image and try to correct this in lightroom or whatever, it can make things worse than if you’d got it right. Its all about learning when to trust the lightmeter and when to override it. This is just one example. Another point to remember is that if your photograph is amazingly well taken and of an interesting subject, most people wont even notice the noise anyway.
Gorn
7 months ago |Couldn’t agree more
brizmako
7 months ago |+1 agreed
David
7 months ago |It definitely can help
After all, the light picked up by the sensor has to be converted into a digital signal. And that’s all software which converts the signal and tries to ignore the background.
Make the conversion better = less noise
Look at how much raw file interpretation has improved. This generation of lightroom is amazing. I’ve seen photos from the a900 from 3 years ago and they look awful compared to what I can get from my a850 now.
MF
7 months ago |David, what is the option on Lightroom to take away noise? can you help me with that?
David
7 months ago |Sure!
Down on the right there’s a tab called “details”
You can sharpen the image (I normally do around +30). Change the radius – smaller for fine detail (like texture on fabric), larger for broader details (like structure, outlines of things etc).
And right under that there’s the noise reduction. I usually have it off, but if you play with the sliders you can reduce noise as much as you want. +20 would be a good staring point, and you can get rid of colour noise very easily with the “colour” slider.
monkeyfacemcbride
7 months ago |Yes it can in several respects. The Sony sensor isn’t something that just catches light, its whats called a System-on-chip (SoC). It contains the light catching bit, the amplifiers, noise control circuitry, other stuff that converts the analogue “light” signal to digital numbers (ADCs) and so on. Now all of this is configurable through software. There are tons of parameters that can be altered which determine how good or bad the output of this system is. Once you get it working you then tune the settings for best performance – a bit like tuning an old radio for best signal reception (but with loads of tuning knobs). The tuning phase is a bit of a trial and error exercise attempting to get something you want without compromising too much of something else you want, if you know what I mean. some of the parameters you play with are things like Amplifier gains, oversampling steps and sample and hold times, digital scalar values etc, all of these have an effect on how representative the output signal is to the received light.
Now, once you get off the Sensor, then you get into pure Bionz territory (Bionz controls a lot of the sensor settings above but also does its own thing too) and its here that things like secondary digital noise filtering, compression, tone curve application and the like are performed and again you have plenty of settings to play with.
This is a simplistic view and deliberately not too deep, but as I hope I’ve conveyed, there’s a whole load of wriggle-room even after you’ve released the camera.
Now, in truth, you’ll never get everything perfect, there will always be compromises but you can minimize them through time and effort. Sony are hopefully going through tuning now and it would be nice if we saw some improvements in an update soon.
Marek
7 months ago |Canikons will always complain about not perfect JPEGs in SONY cams until SONY finally recognizes that it is really important for their sales figures and decides to put more effort into it. Yes, it is difficult to explain to public that 24Mpx APS-C picture has more noise when viewed at 100% crop but it does not matter for image quality. Nikonists will never get it BTW
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SonyA77
7 months ago |Loud mouthed canikon users will never swap to Sony, so why should Sony care what they think?
Marek
7 months ago |Because many reviewers use the same arguments as Canikon users. Even some SONY users do not take quite well the idea of exchange of low noise for very high resolution. I think SONY should add COMPATIBILITY mode which would downsize image to let’s say 12Mpx for those who like smaller clean images
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purex
7 months ago |I can wonder what is wrong with you “Solo”???
We who do not think Sony’s ISO performance is good enough care not if you compare the number of pixels and the size of the sensors! What is important to me and probably for many other photographers is the result of shots and not on which sensor they have been produced, and now we see,that the images from the A77 becomes worse at higher ISO numbers than they get from the Nikon and Canon cameras! And this is a forum where everyone has the opportunity to state his opinion without being called an idiot. So if you can not handle that other people have a different opinion than you have, I think you should be quiet!
Aiden
7 months ago |Wrong forum, this is the one where you state your opinion and DO get called an idiot.
Solo
7 months ago |I’m sorry I offended you, idiot. It seems like you are the one who can’t handle my opinion. This is a public forum and quite honestly I have as much freedom to express my opinion (for example that you are an idiot) as much as you do that this camera has terrible iso performance and is not a viable option for amateur or professional photographers.
I am assuming you are a pixel peeper because the truth is the iso performance is fine on the a77 for real-world usage. Please look at my website and tell me which pics are shot with the A850, Canon 40D, Nikon D70, and Canon 5dMkII because I know for a damn fact that you will not be able to and this should really ring a bit of sense into you.
Aalpha
7 months ago |Still looks like not too smart a move: put in another chip and not have the proper software. Off course you are slaughtered for that. And people will remember this so even if fw 2.0 fixes a lot the damage will still be done.
It’s a bit like selling a sportscar that can only go 60 and then say: but the engine is great we just have to retune your fuel injection later. Try that in Topgear…
Wirralpix
7 months ago |I am having to work harder to get the best out of the RAW files than with the A700. The A700 showed noise in blue skies at ISO 200. The A77 RAW files look noisier because of the 24mp resolution so you can be fooled into thinking there’s a problem.
What I’m disappoionted about is the amount of NR in the JPEG’s. Sony have put some great JPEG features in the A77 but have smothered them in NR. This is an enthusiast camera. Let experienced photographers have a NR off setting like on the A700.
Also, fw 1.03 hasn’t fixed the control lag of the camera. When shooting in manual mode yesterday with the f-stop set and using the front dial to set the shutter speed while watching the EV scale in the EVF the response lag was very frustrating. I’m a big fan of the EVF and I suppose that’s an unfortunate bi-product I’m going to have to get used to unless it’s fixed in fw 2.0.
Avenir
7 months ago |Does anyone know of the place where Sony collects complaints on menus/functional/microprogramming errors that should be fixed with firmware upgrade? I have an issue with external bounce flash TTL metering at ISO other then 100.
Euleuh2
7 months ago |yeah…good cam, for landscapes…let’s hope they’ll produce a good firmware and clean all that noise…
many bugs to be fixed but sony should produce a firmware capable of cleaning the noise…fixing others minor bugs comes second!!! firmware 1.02 or 1.03…it’s the same crap…the noise is still visible and the time need for the camera to shut down is really high…
Af speed could be a bit improved..a bit slow for a camera a this class..come on Sony, u made us dream with the A77′s specs on the paper..let’s hope our dream will come true!!!
rascal
7 months ago |the Jpeg & NR story bring me back to the FW 4.0 of the A700…
Come on Sony, learn your lesson !
@DPr : 50/1,8 DT at f8 for the a77 ? but 50/1,4 at f9 for Canikon ?
Can’t you get 4 50/2,8 macro sigma to test Canon Nikon Sony & Pentax with the same lens ?
BTW : Did DPr test the A700 with FW 4.0 ? I don’t think so. Don’t bother with this test…
Johnny
7 months ago |Dpreview is lying too… it says , No live view in 8 or 12 fps continuous shooting modes makes accurate panning very difficult
That a lie , i tried Sony A77 with firmware 1.03 and i have also A65 in front of me, and it does have live view while 12-10 fps !
Zstan
7 months ago |What dpreview meant is you will see still frames while doing high speed panning instead of the actual situation..
David
7 months ago |Yup, but with an SLR you’ll get mirror blackout anyway, so it’s pretty much equal
Zstan
7 months ago |That’s exactly the point. But noooo… Having a blackout is better because it’s still ‘real time’…
harpo
7 months ago |Speaking from experience (I own the a77) David is right the still fame is no more an issue than the blackout. I think it’s a little better because you still maintain some perspective of your subject as your panning and shooting.
monkeyfacemcbride
7 months ago |which is of course only the case if you have auto review switched on. switch it off and that goes away.
Allan Bower
7 months ago |Sony let me use one of their A77′s over the weekend, but I have to agree with DPReview that the jpegs were not impressive. This is an area that needs serious consideration when Sony bring out their next firmware update (2.0?). However I very rarely shoot jpegs or above iso800 so for me I was impressed with the A77 and don’t agree with some of the reviewers impressions. Overall though, and after spending time with the A77, I thought it was a pretty good review.
No camera is perfect and fault can be found if it is looked for. Sony have always had the reputation for poor low light so almost every Sony reviewer immediately looks for that as a problem, and of course they will find it if they want to. My RAW pics at iso 200-1600 were all very acceptable with some PP.
The biggest frustration for me is the same lag problem Wiralpix has mentioned. That EVF lag is incredibly annoying especially with bird photography.
IMHO I think Sony could have done better with an A700 replacement, but there are also some very good features on the A77. Live view & video are excellant, handling is excellant, focusing is sharp and fast, and I think the menu is very good and easy to use.
Of course we are all different and our needs will be different. I will not be changing my A700 or A850 for the A77, it’s just not what I want for an enthusiast camera. Personally I would have prefered Sony use their excellant 16.2MP sensor, the same one in the A580 that scored so high in DxO.
Johnny
7 months ago |even if sony put the same sensor, it would be the same noise levels, because of the mirror …
Almazar80
7 months ago |No, it will not be the same noise. The 16MP sensor in the 5n is the latest iteration of Sony’s 16MP sensor and it IS better than the one on the A55. It will be better on an A7x class camera as well (probably better than the A77 noise characteristics, but this is conjecture and unless you actually build one…). This does not mean the A77 isn’t a good camera. It’s not the camera for everybody, but what camera is? It’s a very good tool that could do with a firmware revision or two (just like the A700, which by the fourth version of the firmware was quite a camera).
Spoon
7 months ago |It’s not better. Notice that for example the A55 received 2/3 of a stop *MORE* light in the Dpreview Comparison tool. Ofcourse it’s going to look better then, especially if you don’t normalize resolution (output size). This shows the 24MP sensor and the 16MP one in the 5N are pretty much equal when it comes to noise for a given output size:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1042&message=39650370
Almazar80
7 months ago |I was talking about the improved Sony 16MP sensor that’s on the 5n versus the one in the A55. The 5n JPEG quality is also better than the A55 JPEG output, which leads me to believe that they may have different teams in charge of RAW and JPEG processing in the NEX and Alpha lines. Again, just conjecture.
Spoon
7 months ago |Reread my post, where I linked you to a comparison of exactly that sensor against the 24MP sensor as found in the A77, showing no benefit for the 5N *sensor*.
monkeyfacemcbride
7 months ago |Hmmm, not so sure about that. If sony put the same sensor in another camera there are many things that would change electronic isolation, thermal characteristics you name it, all of which have an impact on the SNR. Some people are apparently of the belief that once a sensor is made, its made and thats it nothing can change. this is simply not true, its designed as a configurable system and can be tweaked endlessly in software and the settings will seldom be the same if the same sensor is fitted in more than one body design.
So called “shot-noise”, which gets bleated on about quite often, wont change in another camera body(its plain physics) but is actually just one component in image nois. Often larger and more important contributors are Johnson-Nyquist noise, salt’n'pepper, ADC errors, EMC issues, clock jitter and so on. All of these latter ones have no relation to the actual conversion from photon to electricity. they all occur after that is done and many of them have levels which are very much to do with the physical design of the camera body.
David
7 months ago |Allan, if you put that 16mp sensor into the slt camera you get the a35.. it already exists! And the a77 is better than that
Sony did a great thing with the 24mp sensor. They added 50% more resolution, kept the noise performance roughly the same, and increased the dynamic range by almost two stops. I think that’s impressive!
Johnny
7 months ago |Thats the way SLT cameras working… was the same with A55, why they gave A55 a Gold award, and A77 with better performance , better resolution, better handling , the same noise levels a Silver ?
Do they prefer the blackout OVF of other cameras on high speed shooting ?
The Lotus Eater
7 months ago |From DPreview: “Scoring is relative only to the other cameras in the same category”.
pancanikonpus
7 months ago |Just ordered A77QV and waiting for stock! Have one on the day by day countdown, this is the moment
Dave Cox
7 months ago |Where are all these comments about the A77 not having the highest rating coming from? If you go to the DPReview Conclusions page and select a camera from the drop down list the nearest rating is 80% for the D7000. And the only things they rate that better than the A77 for are high ISO noise and JPEG image quality (hardly a surprise!!).
Instead of coming on this forum and continually moaning why don’t these pixel peepers just go and buy a D7000? High ISO is a very specialist requirement and one Sony just hasn’t ‘gone after’.
Boo hoo.
SonyA77
7 months ago |Don’t you just love pixel peepers, bless ‘em.
These will be the same people that upload their tiny web images to Facebook and Flickr to be viewed on un-calibrated monitors by people who either don’t care, or don’t have a clue about ISO noise.
Hell, most of the viewing public will not even know you can view the image at different sizes, never mind pixel peep them…
Aiden
7 months ago |I blow my pics up to 100% then crop a portion out of them to upload to FB…… Thats how us pro’s roll.
Henk
7 months ago |+1
It’s all about the pixels!
Seeky
7 months ago |The only reason why some people are dissapointed with the A77 I can imagine is that they EXPECTED it to be better than it is.
In my opinion, the A77 is the best in its class except noise performance.
My advice to all people complaining about noise performance is:
1)Buy according your needs: If you need good high-iso performance NOW(proffessionally), spend some more grands on Canikons FF cameras, or if you can wait, wait for Sony’s FF camera’s next year.
2)Non-proffessionals like me shouldn’t worry too much since we don’t make large prints often and also don’t crop tiny bits of images often. Consider the whole package, which is quite impressive, with its excellent EVF, unique hinged LCD, high FPS as main selling points. This is also important to newcomers to the Sony Alpha system.
Another thing: remember that this camera will be outdated (not performance wise!) within a year, as with most electronics and definately DSLRs (e.g. Sony a33/55). So if you have doubts, don’t bother, and wait.
If you want it, buy it.
Blqckscorp
7 months ago |Good results for a great camera for that price with so many features/technologies loaded that no other cam has.
If you only shoot at low light without flash get yourself a nex but please stop whining about the “poor” iso performance.
It’s no pro 3000$ + cam so what do you expect ? But it has so many great things – i would buy it if i could afford it – but maybe i’m gonna get the a65. . .
Where is the a65 review ? Why is no one interested in that cam ?
It’s probably the best cam out there right now for that price.
Anyone owns it and could share some thoughts?
KJW
7 months ago |Hi. Had my a65 for a couple of weeks now. As it’s dark when I go and return from work I’ve only had the weekend to do some daylight shooting.
This is my first DSLR/SLT so I don’t really have a benchmark. However, I’m very pleased with my purchase and the image quality.
The controls are intuitive and responsive. The body is solidly constructed and handles well. Furthermore, most of the features are useful rather than gimmicky.
Now, I’m just waiting for the SAL1650…
Gunnar
7 months ago |The review is very good and correct, and 81% is the highest score of the cams tested in this category
the silver award is just because its not the perfect and unbeatable king of its class as the Nex 5n is. Still i’m perfectly happy with my A77, its an awesome cam and huge fun to use.new firmwares will only make it even better.. btw. of all my ~20k Nex pictures i took,only a 150 or so were at iso 1600 and less then 10 with even higher iso
Greenieadi
7 months ago |Given it’s quirks, I’ll definitely getting the A77.
The amount of it’s useful features and controls definitely beats it’s IQ OOC JPEG at ISO6400.
RAW will be my best friend at the moment until the next firmware either add NR OFF for JPEG and other quirks.
I did look at Canikon offerings but so far none within my budget is attractive enough for use as my next photographic tool.
Yes, these are just tools to me and toys to others.
Jonathan
7 months ago |Could someone help me with this question? Why have DP Review they taken the A77 at F8 and the Canon and Nikon at F9 aperture? (http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonyslta77/page25.asp)
I noticed the depth of field was different when comparing the images and the A77 was out of focus before the D7000 so I downloaded the JPEG (RAW) samples and found the pictures have been taken at different apertures for some reason?
I believe the D7000 also looks ‘sharper’ due to either focus issues OR the aperture difference, for example look at the small blue ball located in the black box with reels of cotton you will notice the text below this box is not in focus with the A77 (depth of field issues) where as the D7000 has better focus meaning the test is not accurate, the D7000 also seems to have more sharpening done (or perhaps it’s just due to the lower resolution or softer focus on the A77) hard to tell but it would be good to get these pictures updated with better focus and depth of field.
Due to the focus issues I then tried to look at objects slightly further ‘Back’ in the shot and I then start to see the A77 does have a resolution advantage over the D7000 even in these what seem to be flawed samples?. You can see this by viewing the world ‘globe’ and trying to read text such as: Madagascar, Arabin Sea, Libya, South Africa..etc..etc.. Also again the numbers even further behind the globe again can be make out even more clear look at the numbers 4 ,5 ,6 located right behind the globe.
Another area you can view much better resolution on the A77 is when viewing the Martini bottle (again in the furthest most back position being the top of the bottle you can read the text ‘Suppliers of Martini vermouth’ and the coat of arms is much better with the A77. Also the texture of the bottle just below this label you can see fluff, dust and other detail the D7000 is simply not picking up at all “OR” it’s had more processing done to it perhaps that has caused details to be lost?
I’m only comparison the JPG’s as I don’t currently have a RAW processor where I am at the moment but found this very interesting and am really interested in some of your thoughts, comments and feedback on this. Could it be that the testing might not be as accurate as we would like it to be and in this case has disadvantaged the A77 in the IQ testing?
Takomaki
7 months ago |IMHO – Sony pushed for the 24MP sensor on the A77 in preperation of the big push for 4k Display! All Sony high end/enthusiast camera can display at full resolution on 4K displays and even with the current Sony HD Bravia, these images are stunning and filed with details and depth. Try it out on a 36″ or larger TV and younwill know what I mean! Work with the A77.. No camera out there is perfect!
michaejlt
7 months ago |The awful JPEG image quality, really high noise levels and laggy operation stop the A77 for me. I really was hoping this camera would deliver.
Hopefully that will all be fixed in the Version 2.0 firmware.
This is where I think Sony has lots to learn from Nikon…how to get the most of their camera software. Nikon uses Sony Sensors and then tweaks their cameras so much better than Sony can. Pay attention Sony Engineers…you are blowing it!!
Danielckx
7 months ago |Ive been enjoying my A77 for almost 3 weeks now, and I dont regret paying every penny I payed for it. BTW, who buys a 2K USD camera to shoot in JPEG?. Im completely aware it has things to be improved such as high ISO noise and response speed, but the rest is just perfect and Im sure that once new firmware updates come along this camera will get better and better.
Cliff
7 months ago |I’m sick of all this talk about “image quality”!
Sony marketing is very keen and precise. They know exactly the cameras that our type of photographers want. (Typical Sony Alpha fans)
What do we want? “Translucent” mirrors for fast auto focus!
“Image quality” is for Canon/Nikon lovers…they can have that all they want. Sony knows those people are a completely different market. (they are very picky about their ISO sensitivity) As long as we (Sony fans) can stay on AF most of the time and get “OK” quality…that’s all we need!
Canikons are “manual focus” people. We are “auto focus” people. I mean,…why else would you install a plastic mirror in front of your sensor if you don’t use auto focus? Using manual defeats the entire reason for having the plastic there in the first place! (duh!)
Anyway,..let Canon/Nikon keep the “high image quality” market, ’cause WE RULE THE AUTO FOCUS MARKET!
Take THAT Canikons!!!
Cliff
Clemens
7 months ago |Has anyone tried the HDR-mode yet? I have a a500 to compare and the a77 behaves not the way I expected. I compared pictures at HDR 3EV and where my a500 capures all information (no highlight clipping and still detail in dark black areas) the result of the a77 is significantly worse.
If I use HDR 6EV on the a77 the camera often displays an exclamation mark after capturing the image. The manual says:
“When the contrast of the scene is low or when camera shake or subject blur is occurred, you may not obtain good HDR images. If the camera has detected a problem, ! is indicated on the recorded image to inform you”
Due to the fact that I used a tripod s.th. else is going on here.
1. Worse results compared to a500 on the same EV-HDR level
2. If I manually set 6EV HDR I really don’t want Sony’s firmware engineers to override my setting if they think the scene might show too little contrast for that setting. E.g. for panoramas I need consistent output.
Anyone else with this problem?
Wirralpix
7 months ago |The first five images in my gallery were taken with the A77 and Samyang 8mm fisheye with in camera HDR at 5EV hand held. The images were lacking a little bit of sharpness when viewed closely but I suppose when the camera is taking three quick shots at 1/8 sec hand held the resulting image isn’t going to be pin sharp.
I’ve printed one image out to A3 and it looks terrific.
http://www.wirralpix.com/p54002878
feedmatekill
7 months ago |I have a remark on “12fps af tracking”…
You say only frame 5 is sharp…..it isn’t really, is it?
and why is that? – because 1/1000 @ f5.6 isn’t enough for action that fast AND camera is clearly shaken. If You look more closely You’ll see that nothing in frame is sharp, whole picture is slightly blurred, nothing on the picture is really sharp. There is no DOF line of sharpness on the ground or anywhere else….
So, it isn’t AF’s fault – it’s a bad photographer
P.S.
on frame number 5, the object was braking – slowing down. so that’s why only that frame was sharp enough…. I’m very surprised dpreview missed something so obvious.
Francisco
7 months ago |I don’t care about the complaints about high iso… this camera will perfom 10x better than my A350 in that regard, so for me it’s a substantial improvement. But I am really concerned about the sluggish performance. I hope they fix that in firmware.
apamau
7 months ago |I am thinking what sony has try to focus on, among any other things, image qauality and high ISO is still very important as we are buying a camera, even if it did merely or slightly better than D7000 or 7D, it is still hard to except as this two camera has been in the market for a year or 2. Anyway I don’t see anything much special as I am good with A55, but the Nex 7 have more appeal for me, at least the size. Size does matter.
Solo
7 months ago |I’m not even buying an A77, I am a professional and NEED full-frame for 35mm focal lengths and ultimate image quality
however I still think the A77 is a great camera and would make a suitable backup
The iso performance is more than adequate for professional work
same with resolution
ergonomics and handling are great
love how much less this weighs compared to my a850 and zeiss (at least it feels that way, probably balanced differently due to size)
evf performance while not on-par with a900/a850, advantages are worth it
fantastic movie modes, amazing af, nonexistent shutter lag, sweep pano, etc, all useful if not just fun features
quite honestly the only thing that bugs me about the a77 is the delay in the controls, I shoot fleeting moments at weddings or on models’ faces and a lagged response in the evf will be annoying. As for lag in the actual feed of the evf, this was not noticeable to me. I do however think they need to fix this control lag in their fullframe models, it’s the ONE thing in the a77 that makes it feel not as responsive as my A850 (in all other regards it is a faster camera). I agree that the jpeg output from this camera while acceptable, its just that. acceptable. not stellar. But that’s ok because I shoot raw and sincerely cannot imagine a day I would not be shooting raw. If I’m dropping $2k on a camera system I don’t have any issues dropping $500 on HDs and fast memory cards to write raw files, those who have an issue with this confuse me a bit.
Anyways. Glad I jumped from canon to Sony, they are kicking ass and taking names.
Solo
7 months ago |And for those stuck on high iso, an easy way to get out of that is to shoot some film for a while. Get a steadier hand, wonder how on earth pros worked with 800 speed back in the days.
emarsh
7 months ago |it doesn’t matter much if you get an 81% , silver award. That doesn’t sound good anyway, ‘silver’. People want “Gold” for their money, and expected it from such a great electronics company such as Sony. When Sony took over Minolta, I thought, ‘if anybody can turn this into a great digital camera line, Sony can, because of their vast resources and electronics know-how’. So here we have ‘silver’, and ‘mushy’ jpeg’s. I’m sorry, but mushy jpeg’s are not acceptable from a modern day camera, especially one that has been so long anticipated and worked on. Yes, you can shoot raw, but you should be able to do both, raw and jpeg, and get the results you want. I’m sure no one wants ‘mushy’ jpegs. So now, we have a ver. 2.0 coming? Come on, hurry up already. Version 1.0 should have been perfect when released.
sgts
7 months ago |Did you just send your negs off to be processed in the pharmacy in the past ?
Well jpgs are for you.
HMD
7 months ago |Amazon.com USA has shipped my A77 body only order! I get it tomorrow! Yeah!
Eugene Stoesser
7 months ago |Good news here on my preorder sony alpha A77 with 16-50mm kit lens.
My Amazon USA account has read NOT YET SHIPPED all along. today
it has been changed to Shipping soon and all the choices on the order have disappeared. And there is a new choice of “request cancellation”. no other options.
Since HMD got his notice his has shipped I’m quessing mine will be soon
666
7 months ago |the A77 is an amazing camera the only thing that bothers mi is that is not any better than a T3i Image quality if you compare price they should sell that camera for $800.- and the A65 for $600.- and I bet No one will be complaining about iso or anything
Frank Withers
7 months ago |the T3i is a plastic piece of junk with a joke of a viewfinder, you really think people would rather have this than the a77?
666
7 months ago |@frank
I was talking about image quality please learn to read. and it was just an example. THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH THE A77 IS PRICE !!! it IS a GREAT camera but to expensive
Frank Withers
7 months ago |I just think your point is moot because the MARGINAL difference in image quality (though I disagree since you’ve completely ignored the resolution advantage) is far outweighed by the technical differences of the two bodies. Considering the price of the 7D and D7000 you don’t think the A77 is competitively priced? How about with a zeiss kit lens? You get what you pay for, buddy…
You simply can’t expect them to sell such an advanced body at the price of a rebel… that’s just nonsensical.
666
7 months ago |but it would be nice
and they will be selling that camera like crazy
Kalpurush :)
7 months ago |There is an another option – just buy a $7.00 disposible camera, nobody can beat the price!
666
7 months ago |is there one with 24mp!!! great
gabrielefx
7 months ago |the A77 it’s a beautiful toy….I love my A55….I don’t want another toy….waiting for the A99
666
7 months ago |the A580 is a better
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Compare-Camera-Sensors/Compare-cameras-side-by-side/(appareil1)/734|0/(brand)/Sony/(appareil2)/675|0/(brand2)/Sony/(appareil3)/685|0/(brand3)/Sony
Steve
7 months ago |As a a850 user, and someone looking to purchase one of the next FF bodies I hope that the a9x is not a toy also like the a77 turned out to be.
Somehow the NEX now the better image maker.
Maybe, the EVF/A77 design is not yet ready for the serious and/or professional protographic user.
666
7 months ago |and the champion is :
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Camera-Sensor-Database/Sony/Alpha-580
Ollder
7 months ago |Except. It’s not just mathematics and scores. (If you ever really USED a camera
)
It’s also individual needs and a way to weight different features. It’s a matter of taste, said a cat when licking her…
Solo
7 months ago |Just out of curiosity have you tried the A77 yet in person or just basing your opinion on another person’s views?
I shoot with the A850 and Zeiss optics as well and was quite impressed with the A77′s performance, features, and build for the asking price. Still not sure what the fuss is about, why is everyone forgetting that this is a 24mp apsc body with features and capabilities that basically shit on those of its competitors???
jacek
7 months ago |They were using Sony 50/1.8 glass!
Is this a joke?
Why not 50/1.4 like on most rivals?
I thought dpreview is more professional..
Ollder
7 months ago |So what??
Steve
7 months ago |I own both a Minolta 50f/1.4, Sony 50f/1.5 and new Nikon 50f/1.4 and the new Nikon I think blows to two A-Mount away in the corners, so you can’t test sensor image without undestanding the sharpness of the optics.
Now that we are using 24mp and larger sensers optics become more and more important.
Sony’s 50mm primes are almost kit lense quality and likly won’t show the a77 sensor’s value.
Sigma currently has the sharpest 50mm lense for the A-mount.
Dave Cox
7 months ago |High ISO performance on the A77 is equal to that of the Canon 7D even with the SLT mirror. To me, Sony should be congratulated for that. Now, I’ve been on Canon forums and can’t find any of this never ending and continual deriding of the 7D’s high ISO performance (like on here about the A77). I wonder why?!? Could it be that it actually isn’t REALLY a problem?
Solo
7 months ago |Precisely, the image quality of the A77 is great with perfectly useable iso performance.
personally I think those that recognize this are A. photographers that buy cameras to take pictures, B. professionals
Those who don’t are most likely pixel peepers, gear-obsessed enthusiasts, amateurs…
aotearoa_
7 months ago |I hope the update solves the problem with my a65. Sometimes when i turn it on nothing happens. i have to remove the battery and then it works fine… very annoying. ;(
Andrew
7 months ago |Wow! it looks like I’m gonna end up buying this camera after all, good review and higher score that it even beat the score of the nikon D7000
karl
7 months ago |no tethered capabilities!! will or can they (sony) fix this in the next firmware upgrade…?? tragic oversite …for studio shooters!!
fotowolf61
7 months ago |@Admin: Hi Andrea! Do you have any updated information about the rumored A77 firmware 2.0 update expected in early november?
Kevin
7 months ago |Why do mindless jerks feel the need to waste their time writing drivel on these comment pages. I actually have a Nikon D7000 and I actually have a SLT A77 and I actually have a Canon 550D. The pictures from real life shots out of the A77 are fantastic. The A77 is on a par with my Nikon up to ISO 1600 and if I use the low light function at high ISO to combine multiple shots, which most of these jerks do not even know that the function exists, it blows my Nikon and Canon out the water from 1600 – 3200. If you need more than 3200 then go away and buy a 6800 USD Canon D1X and bitch about the price lack of crop blank viewfinder when shooting at high speed and anything else you find to bitch at. No one in the world cares whether you buy a Sony or not least of all Sony. Guess what people who take pictures can usually take them with any camera. If DPreview is your bible then go read it while I am taking great pictures with my Sony Nikon and Canon.
TOOBAD2
7 months ago |I JUST GOT MY A77 , 50 – 1.4 FROM AMAZON BY WAY OF ADORAMA. I AM USING THE PANASONIC GOLD 16GB CLASS 1 , AND FROM WHAT I SEE THIS CAMERA IS ONE STEP AHEAD OF MOST OTHERS IN ITS CLASS. I READ MOST OF THE REVIEWS AND YOUR HEAD STARTS TO HURT. JUST PUT WHAT YOU WANT IN A CAMERA ON A LIST AND THEN GET THE ONE THAT COMES THE CLOSEST TO IT. THAT YOU CAN AFFORD. SURE IF MONEY WAS NO PROBLEM I MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN A LEICA M9P. AND A X-1. PLUS A CANNON EOS 5D MARK II. THAT WOULD HAVE COVERED WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SHOOT. THEN THERE IS THE TRIP TO AFRICA AND EUROPE. WELL I GUESS I JUST WILL MAKE DO WITH MY PANASONIC GF1 , OLYMPUS E510 AND 6020, AND NOW MY NEW SONY A77. MANY MORE LENSES TO GET. JUST HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL I GET THE MONEY. UNTIL THEN YOU ALL ENJOY TAKING PICTURES WITH WHAT YOU HAVE AND GET WHAT YOU CAN AFFORD. HAPPY HOLIDAYS.
Lars
6 months ago |Any news about a firmware that will fix these problems?