Need some smart guy that can decipher the new Sony lens patent

The image on top shows an image of a new Sony lens patent. What looks so simple has in reality a very complicated description and I haven’t figured out yet the specs of the lens. It looks like patent writers sometimes do have fun to hide the real specs behind tons of data. I would appreciate the help of some smart guy! Here is the link to the new patent filed in September 2010: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20110085248.pdf
And did you understand something?

jnr oakley
2 years ago |september 2010 you mean….
admin
2 years ago |ops…yes!
Fabian
2 years ago |I think, it’s a telephoto lens…
MJM
2 years ago |I’m not expert, but I would say with a big front element like that possibly a fast telephoto?
Fabian
2 years ago |A 200mm F2.0 would be very nice
Maximus
2 years ago |Its a Zoom lens
Roger
2 years ago |They almost get to it near the end.
From the description it is a very high power zoom lens for a P&S. 16-24mm (35mm equiv) f/2.8 on the wide end, around 30 to 40x zoom.
eagle8421
2 years ago |At page 37 there’s something written about “wide angle” and “exceeds 74°”, so I guess it might have a focal lenght of 18mm (aps-c) or less…
thomas
2 years ago |OK, it seems the patent describes a way how to deal with optical aberrations (coma, CA, etc.) when constructing a high power (>20x) zoom lens.
In particular, the aim described is to miniaturize compact cameras as much as possible. When miniaturizing, one obstacle seems to be that for a decent optical quality, one normally has to deal with considerable optical aberrations.
The patent (as far as I understand it) describes a way how to deal with that.
In general: Sony want to construct a very compact point&shoot with a viewing angle of 74° or greater on the wide angle side and at least a 20x zoom, and they describe how they want to do it and still keep the aberrations low without letting the lens become too long on the telephoto end.
admin
2 years ago |Thanks Thomas!
thomas
2 years ago |edit:
When miniaturizing, one obstacle seems to be that for a decent optical quality, one normally has to deal with relatively large lenses. (2nd abstract)
Colamango
2 years ago |look like a videocam lens
Colamango
2 years ago |or semipro [Comsumer] camera lens
ALtrouge
2 years ago |As 2omega varies from 86 degree to 2.71 degree, will it be a super zoom lens that varies from 24mm to about 800mm(35mm camera equivalent)?
BMan
2 years ago |Well, given the data in Table 19 (Page 59), the lens is meant for 1/3″ sensor size (so a small compact) with about 28mm at wide (everything in FF equivalent of course) and 960mm at full telephoto! That’s a nice 33x zoom!
The complexity is pretty crazy though when looking at the tables at the end of the PDF
Marcel
2 years ago |Table 15 (page 58) and table 19 (page 59) show quite similar numbers,for “lens system 14″ and “lens system 15″, both examples of how to implement a lens according to this patent. As the tables show, lens system 14 extracts way less when zooming in than lens system 15. Strange.
The only interesting thing BMan didn’t mention is the max. aperture; it ranges from about f/2.8 to about f/5.0. The small sensor size is used for a slightly faster lens than other 30x zooms on the market.
T.j.
2 years ago |I didnt see the 1/3 size sensor, now my hopes are crushed.
admin
2 years ago |Where do you see that it’s a 1/3 size sensor?
BMan
2 years ago |Image height in tables at the end (where there FL’s and aperture numbers) is specified as 3.88. No unit, but I’m guessing it’s mm, which means something around a 1/3″ sensor.
Cheers!
BMan
2 years ago |Also, no way of getting a lens that would be only 15cm long at max telephoto to have 800mm+ FL for APS-C …
T.j.
2 years ago |On page 22 table 15 some of the only concrete numbers for length and aperture. It says; Wide angle 4.38, Intermediate focal length 22.10, and Telephoto end 148.44. F number, listed accordingly, 2.84, 3.27, 5.02. I dont really know what all that means but it sounds interesting, I really hope that its saying a zoom lens at f/2.8-5.0. It is a zoom lens (variable length lens), and its doesn give alot of info about reducing size and reducing one elemental group without sacrificing LA control and so on, I could hope the reduction in size was for a kit lens on the A77 or a reduced size lens for the NEX system, we can all dream right?
Matt
2 years ago |Admin, you mean decipher – 1. To read or interpret (ambiguous, obscure, or illegible matter).
2. To convert from a code or cipher to plain text; decode.?
Jo
2 years ago |In deed, there’s a lot of spec data for each group lens…but who cares.
It’s a PhotoCamcorder lens with a 30x zoom ratio, seems to be moderately fast at least at wide end (74° field of view ~25mm equivalent). And the patent says that they will introduce a “highly integrative” image pickup device to reduce the size of camera.
Spec evoked for the sensor reminds those of the Exmor.
Sony is bound to launch a new camera and its specs are close to these patent.
Just have a look:
http://www.sony.fr/product/dsc-h-series/dsc-hx100v
Daemonius
2 years ago |Not close, its identical. That patent is for Sony HX100V, resp. for its lens and EXMOR chip. But it was nice moment of hope.
DBFoto
2 years ago |The most right part shows 3 elements that are planparallel and 1 of them states ‘CF’. Now what if that was an insertable ColorFilter? Than this could be an enormous telezoom cause it looks to complex for a prime
James
2 years ago |To me, that looks very similar to the Canon 500mm f/4 element/ group layout. Perhaps it is the rumoured Sony 500mm f/4 G lens that has been lurking around for a while?
thomas
2 years ago |It certainly is NOT a lens for any interchangeable lens system, and not an “enormous” telezoom either! As stated multiple times throughout the text, the aim of the invention was to reduce size and still maintain sufficient correction of aberrations and a huge zoom range – to be able to keep up with the general trends of miniaturization and build a very compact (still or video) camera with very high zoom power.
Just read the abstract “Background of the invention”!
Sorry, but definitively not a 500mm/4 G lens!
Hint: Ignore the drawings, all you need to know can be found in the text.
LifeStoryImages
2 years ago |Smart guy? Nah, just an optical designer – who got sucked into looking at this patent last night.
Here is my summary of the claim: A zoom lens with 5 moving lens groups (+ – + – +) can be made smaller and with a wider zoom ratio than a comparable lens with 4 moving and 1 fixed groups, and still deliver high image quality. Five embodiments are demonstrated.
This does not mean a patent on ANY 5-lens group lens – A cursory search in one of my lens dBs found a couple 5-group patents (USA 4963006 160990, Kiyohika, Japan 58_33531 830720) There are, of course, many patenets for compact zoom lenses.
In the lens prescriptions and diagrams, angles are in degrees and dimensions are unit-less: Focal length at each lens’ widest angle is normalized to “1.00″
As an example, here are the specs and my analysis of the first embodiment:
• Half Image Size: 0.812
–> 0.9 x 1.35 (2:3) or
–> 0.8 x 1.42 (16:9)
• Half Field: 43.28° to 1.357°
–> 31.9x (33.7x with distortion)
Performance specifics: (I get as much information from the diagrams as from the text (grin.))
• Wide End:
– High Barrel Distortion (-13%)
– Astigmatism is dominant
– >50% vignetting in the outer field (mostly in the 2nd lens group), 10% at 3/4-field.
• Narrow End:
– Some (2%) Pincushion Distortion
– Coma is dominant
– About 40% vignetting at outer field (mostly in the 3rd lens group), 30% at 3/4 field, 15% at 1/2-field.
Incidentally, the lens is nearly telecentric except at the extreme zoom positions. (Full-field chief ray is incident on the image plane at +1.8° at wide and -3.4° at zoom)
SIZE: If the wide-angle focal length is set 1 unit to = 1 mm, then the front element has an aperture of about 10mm and the assembly has a total length of 23.4 mm – 27 mm. A HD-sensor would only have 0.74 mircon pixels, so let’s look at spot size:
Looking at diffraction performance (using a visible spectrum spread), Spot size (70% energy, an arbitrary but useful performance spec) is given below in microns as a function of zoom position:
efl — Avg Spot Size (70% energy)
1.0 mm — 3.1 microns
2.3 mm — 3.3 microns
7.4 mm — 3.8 microns
15.0 mm — 4.5 microns
33.7 mm — 6.0 microns
Average: 4.1 microns
With an average spot size of ~4.1 microns, a HD detector would sample each spot with 5.5 pixels (a bit overkill (unless you’re doing specialized astrophysics (but I digress…))) Making a detector with 2 pixels/spot would be 388 x 690 pixels.
Now, let’s test the “smallness” claim: Scaling the lens to “half unit” size (5mm aperture and total length 12-14mm) does produce spots that are just slightly more diffraction limited:
efl — Avg Spot Size (70% energy)
0.5 mm — 2.8 microns
1.2 mm — 3.1 microns
3.7 mm — 3.7 microns
7.5 mm — 4.1 microns
16.9 mm — 4.9 microns
Average: 3.7 microns (94% Diffraction-limited)
At this point lenses are getting VERY tiny and I would wonder about manufacturing tolerances being able to produce this performance. Also realize the image plane size has been cut in half (1/4th the area) and HD pixels would be 0.37 microns, which wouldmean 10 pixels/spot. NOT an HD camera. Using 2 pixels/spot would be good for 215 x 383 pixels.
What if the system is scaled to 2x units? Aperture is 20mm and max length is 54mm. Average spot size is now 5.8 microns (No longer diffraction limited) and HD pixels are 3.9 pixels per spot. This is half the point where it could be used for a HD video camera. — at 2 pixels/spot the detector would be 550 x 976 pixels.
At 3x, (30mm aperture, 80mm length) average spot size is 6.9 microns, 2.2 micron pixels, or 3.1 pixels/spot. Still not optimal for an HD sensor. 2 pixels/spot: –> 692 x 1231 pixels
Just using a quick inverse sensitivity tolerancing, the system is just about equally stable with the half-sized model, but the small components are going to be much harder to manufacture and align.
So, what is this useful for? Perhaps a lower-resolution zoom micro camera. Perhaps nothing other than a patent claim for SONY’s clever optical designers, from whom I’ve just learned a bit. (Thanks, guys!)
In conclusion, this is a lens that can indeed be made small with a 30+ zoom range. Is it “better”, or “unique”, and is the patent defendable? — That’s for some smart guy to figure out.
– Bert Pasquale
Member, Maryland Professional Photographer Association, http://MarylandPPA.com