New A77 and A65 image samples and ISO tests.
CLick on picture to enlarge (Source: Xitek)
You can’t enough of those image samples or not? Here is the next series!
1) Sony Club Germany (Click here) posted a huge ammount of full size images taken at all ISO settings with different noise reduction settings. There are also Long exposure shots and one RAW image. A very nice job done by “Ambos”! Thanks!
2) A chinese Xitek forum user (Click here) posted a set of A65 and A77 ISO comparison with different cameras (like the Sony A850).
3) More A77 image samples have been posted at Lenstip (Click here).
So what do you think? Not bad at all I would say. Cannot wait to see the image samples witht he final firmware.
ALL Preorder links:
Sony NEX-7 body only at Amazon, Adorama, Jessops UK and Sonystore.
Sony NEX-7 with 18-55mm lens at Amazon, BHphoto (notification only) and Sonystore.
Zeiss 24mm f/1.8 E-mount at Amazon, Adorama, Bhphoto (notification only) and Sonystore. Sony A77 with 16-50mm lens at Amazon, Adorama, Jessops UK and Sonystore.
Sony A77 body only at Amazon, Adorama, Jessops UK and Sonystore.
Sony A65 with 18-55mm lens at Amazon, Adorama, Bhphoto (notification only), Jessops UK and Sonystore.
Sony A65 body only at Amazon, Adorama, Bhphoto (notification only), Jessops UK and Sonystore.
Sony NEX-5N with 18-55mm lens at Amazon, Adorama, Bhphoto, Jessops UK and Sonystore.
Sony NEX-5N at Amazon, Adorama, Bhphoto, and Sonystore.
Sony 50mm f/1.8 at BHphoto (notification only), Adorama and Sonystore.
Sony 55-210mm E-mount at Amazon, Adorama, Bhphoto (notification only) and Sonystore.
Matt
2 years ago |Xitek photos are two different zoom settings, not sure how much the lens had to do with it. A65 images look sharper (look at the text on the IC chip) up to ISO 800 you can still read the writing. ISO1600 SO SO, but then the IC board wasn’t great for image testing I assume.
Another leap in technology an APS-C with same megapixels can produce same quality as FF.
Still not happy about small frame buffer. Will wait to see what the FF news is. In the mean time 16MP A580 is brilliant for my needs.
wonghsi
2 years ago |The len used in the Xitek is 28-75SAM, while 60mm with A65 shooting and 40mm with A850.
Gabe
2 years ago |To: Matt Its not the lens it the image sensor. the a850 is full frame so it has no crop where the a65 is a crop sensor and adds 1.5x magnification to the image. 40mmx1.5=60mm
SD
2 years ago |Why are we not seeing anything on the NEX-7? No image samples, etc., just nothing.
David
2 years ago |Because it was only announced last week and isn’t ready yet.
As far as Sony is concerned, the public only heard about the NEX-7 a week ago! The fact that we knew about it for months is irellevant!
SD
2 years ago |Good point. Guess gotta be patient a bit longer…
acolyte
2 years ago |Need to put that in bold.
‘As far as Sony is concerned’
I can’t stop getting tickled.
CHIA
2 years ago |how about the quality of 16-50 f2.8 lens itself? i got a55 but don’t think gonna change the body since it is still new n usable. do any tester put the lens on other body n take some samples?
A4w
2 years ago |Wow – those multi frame at 3200 look mighty fine to me..
acolyte
2 years ago |I’ve seen a few of their multi frame NR. They’re usually quite good, in terms of detail and clarity. Not perfect, but sometimes we gotta live with what we have.
Pascal645
2 years ago |The Sony Club Germany pictures are interesting. ISO3200 actually looks better than ISO1600?? (not so on the Xitek pictures). 12800 is a joke but really nice up to 400 and very usable up to 3200.
Long exposures are absolutely abysmal though. Even ISO400 is extremely poor. If that is the effect of noise reduction, it’s way better to shoot a dark frame and remove dark pixels manually! I certainly hope not all long exposures are that bad, and the low quality is really due to very poor noise reduction algorithms. Long exposures will be very frequent with landscape photographers. Might as well use your pocket compact …
The Lenstip pictures are the most worrying to me: ISO100 is very clean but not very sharp (strongish AA filter? Jpeg algorithm? me just spoilt by EP3 samples?
) and ISO400 is already blurry from noise reduction. Panasonic have strong lumnance grain in their high ISO pictures that seems to retain details and looks a lot better than blurred patchy NR.
Oh well, let’s wait a bit more for final releases. It seems impossible that Sony would release an incredible high ISO machine such as the 5N and this mess at the same time
ahhh-lpha100
2 years ago |If lenstip is final firmware it’s 1.02.
I hope they can still improve it a bit but it looks a lot better than version 0.58 ones!
I would like to see some blue sky though (that was so horrible in the 0.58 version, even at low ISO).
Still: I am positively surprised now
David
2 years ago |I think 12800 and 16000 are “emergency mode” ISO anyway
And you’ll still get the picture. It might not be the most detailed, smooth shot. But if it’s a good moment, nobody will complain about the image quality!
fs
2 years ago |Also, pretty weird choice of test subject matter for Sony Poland to come up with.
acolyte
2 years ago |Oops nvm. I thought it was about the comp chips.
Pascal645
2 years ago |Actually, some ISO400 pictures in the Lenstip set are fantastic (stone stairs) while others are not that good (faces earlier in the set). Wierd …
Tank
2 years ago |12800 and 16000 look fine to me. They are better than the a55 or a580 once cropped to 16mp.
I agree on the long exposures being atrocious though. I don’t know what happened there.
David
2 years ago |lol, oops we broke it!
sholky
2 years ago |@Pascal:
as far as I can see the stone stairs on lenstip were shot with the NEX-5n. And yes, they are fantastic.
The A77 shots on the other hand, frankly, look like crap. :/
Clyde
2 years ago |Haha crashed their server… all links are dead.
That must make Sony very very happy to see so many people peeping pre production pixels hahaha…
acolyte
2 years ago |Or scratching their heads. These impatient people…
sonyboy68
2 years ago |Color of the new A77 and A65 are beautiful.
Thanks Sony !
Very neutral. Big progress.
Gunnar
2 years ago |the lenstip A77 photos all look blurry to me.. i looked for the actual focus spot but it seems nowhere to be found
i hardly doubt the jpg engine(which probably is the same as the nex-5n`s) does blur the image. to me it simply seems the new lens is far from perfect, atleast for now. i`d realy like to see some A77 images from a very good prime at aperture 5-8 and with low iso, to actually judge what the cam is capable of
David
2 years ago |Or more likely that the reviewers just mis-focused it
For any sort of sharpness or image quality testing you should use live-view and the magnification to set a perfect manual focus.
Otherwise slight focus errors make your test results meaningless.
BMan
2 years ago |Nobody noticed that the Lenstip page has NEX 5n with the new 24/1.8 Zeiss and 50/1.8 samples as well?
Not sure if the Zeiss price is justified by this set of samples. I see some color fringing, distortion and not really sharp corners even at f/4 …
hiepphotog
2 years ago |IMO, this Zeiss is pretty much on par with the ZA 24/2 (might have a tad more vignette). I see PF around the outer frame only, and quite well under control. As for the corner resolution, I think it’s sharp enough even at 1.8. There is no “brick wall” test to truly evaluate the corner. But according the published MTF, it should be as good as the 24/2 on APS-C. Distortion is unavoidable at this FL. The price is a bit high however.
bobby
2 years ago |yeah i saw the 5n with zeiss, to me, i think it looks really good…
If this hasnt been posted before, here is a new promo from sony
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dL0uRMik2c
Mike
2 years ago |Off subject…I don’t know if I missed the news, but has anybody else noticed all the A-mount lenses increasing in price?!! The 70200G went from $1799 USD to $1999!! 2470Z from $1600 to $1800!
Steve
2 years ago |Yes, B&H prices on all of these have gone up!
ouch!!!
Garreth
2 years ago |Wow the 24-70 is cheaper in Canada right now than south of the border.
http://www.henrys.com/1034-SONY-ALPHA-24-70-F2-8-ZEISS-LENS.aspx
That never happens.
lomo
2 years ago |a850 got owned
Steve
2 years ago |What does that mean?
The a850 came to market in 2008
I had hopes that the a77 would have done much better being so much newer tech
Right!
David
2 years ago |That’s actually quite an achievement for the newer cameras.
The a850 image quality is just ridiculous. When I take portraits of people, seeing the full size detail of every skin pore, freckle and hair is crazy!
Though the a850 is still a different camera because it’s full frame. You’ll never get the same wide angles and thin depth of field that you can with full frame.
Clifton
2 years ago |another set of A77 vs FF shots, why doesn’t anyone compare the A700 and the A77 since its the most likely upgrade path? Even better,m why not compare it to the competition? Admittedly it wouldn’t be fair since its not a production FW, but neither are these endless comparisons!
At the end of the day I want to know how much better the camera is over the A700 that hangs from my neck every day!
Wirralpix
2 years ago |+1
I also want to know how much better the A77 is over the A700 and what improvement in IQ I’m getting for my money. But that comparison could be the last one that Sony wants to see published.
alphafan2011
2 years ago |no, wrong. I think its not about comparing cameras of one brand, whose releasing dates are more than three years apart.
These tests are for people who want to buy a new camera, so you have to compare it only with the latest cameras of the same AND other brands, so, maybe A700, but also A55 (for SLT 1st generation) AND also the Canon 7D and the Nikon D7000. That are the rivals, not the A700 I think.
The same is for the NEX-lineup, you cant compare it with much older cameras like Pana GF1, it has to be Pana GF3, Oly E-P3 and so on …
hanugro
2 years ago |The price of A77 and a-mount lens is due to low USD against JPY. The price seems more of the same here in Asia.
Clifton
2 years ago |hanugro, do you think this will mean the price is lower in China too? I noticed the prices of the A33/55 were significantly lower last Christmas when I was in Beijing. The prices of other electronics like laptops doesn’t seem any different (to the UK) though.
Ted G.
2 years ago |Well Sony are pricing themselves out of competing with Nikon and Canon. In order to break their dominance, Sony’s quality needed to increase and price needed to reflect superior value.
Case in point, the 1680z should not be near $849. It ought to be more like $500 based upon the specs and build.
The price increases are ridiculous and pretty shameful by Sony. Nikon and Canon will continue their dominance because what I’ve seen here with the stumbling A77 launch and the price increases shows how lost Sony truly is.
Simon_P
2 years ago |I think a77 has a good C/P….consider it is cheaper than D7000 and 7D, and 3 of them are under same league
ahhh-lpha100
2 years ago |D7000 with a (not too good) kitlens is about 25 %cheaper than the a77 body alone.
David
2 years ago |Oh, where did you find the a77 on sale?
The pre-orders don’t really count since they are ALWAYS over-priced.
Look on the sonystyle website and things are WAY over-priced compared to how much they cost in normal shops.
harpo
2 years ago |Not in my world
Sergei Zhukov
2 years ago |The prices went up on lenses – but really is it the price on lenses or the dollar value decrease?
Sky_walker
2 years ago |Price of glass went up very high during last few months. It was only a matter of time till lenses go up too.
Clifton
2 years ago |I would agree that the pricing of the recent cameras, and any price hikes on lenses are leaving a sour taste in my mouth. From the fellow sony owners I have bumped into in my days working as a photographer, the common reason for choosing sony is the price when you take into account the IS technology and the added expense of lens based IS, the problem with the recent changes and the pricing of the A77 is that price of a canon/nikon based 2 lens set up with IS lenses is basically the same price as a sony body and lenses without IS. Without this advantage, I really find it hard to justify telling anyone to by into anything other than Canikon. While I see the whole advantage of the EVF, people generally never had a problem with OVF so why on earth would they take that into consideration.
David
2 years ago |People didn’t mind film either, until digital came along.
And then everyone bitched that the images weren’t as good, even though digital is 100x more convenient.
It’s the exact same argument as OVF vs EVF
Tried and tested vs new. Absolute quality vs convenience.
Wing Wong
2 years ago |The price increases on the lenses are most likely due to the exchange rate of the US dollar vs other.
From the iso comparison between a65 and a850, wow. Just.. Wow.
loverhd
2 years ago |http://pliki.optyczne.pl/son50E/son50_fot05.jpg
This sample Sony NEX 5n + E 50 mm f/1.8 OSS
@f/2.8, exp. 1/160 sek., ISO 400
seems to show good Image Quality – at least low noise and a good sharpness, even at corners
Apparently NEX-5N + E50 F/1.8 seems to became the top performer.
And at the reasonable price.
The above 50 F/1.8 OSS lens – would be quite a valuable addition to the NEX line.
Aiden
2 years ago |does anyone think nikon will still use this 24mp sensor in the d400?
monkeyfacemcbride
2 years ago |hmmm…difficult question for a few of reasons.
1. 24MP-APSC is proving a little contentious..so it would seem.
2. Diffraction cuts in pretty low with this sensor, starts about F8 which would make the sensor biased toward sports/wildlife rather than general purpose. Nikon may consider this not to fit their perception of the market segment.
3. aside from the resolution, they key aspect of this sensor is the data readout speed. without SLT (or something similar) you cant realistically hit the framerates required to capitalise on this in a cost effective manner unless you price well above the segment average.
4. Additionally as the D400 (like the D300) is likely to be a more pro-oriented body, you’re looking at it competing directly with the D700/D3 on framerates and the D3x on resolution. This situation didn’t matter to Sony as they have no higher level cameras with which the A77 would collide (A900/850 are pretty much gone in retail now).
I suspect that they’ll take an adaptation of the NEX-5N sensor, and go for ultimate IQ and about 8fps. Their thinking may be different, but generally I find nikon take a more measured and less headline grabbing approach to these things. However, if the A99 sensor is 36MP I very much expect the D4x to have that one.
Just my thoughts
Sky_walker
2 years ago |Most likely they will. Nikon takes what Sony gives. That’s their blessing and curse.
Sahaja
2 years ago |Rumors are that Pentax are going to announce a new DSLR soon – so this 24mp sensor could appear there too. They of course have some very nice prime lenses which might be able to make the most of those extra pixels.
ahhh-lpha100
2 years ago |If the nr of comments is any indication things do not look that good for Sony right now. So many new pictures and few comments. Compare this to a few weeks ago when tehre was no real news and sometimes far over a hundred comments. Seems the bad IQ pictures from right after the presentation have turned a lot of people away, at least from the 77 and 65.
Put in an extra price increase and things start looking even more grim..
monkeyfacemcbride
2 years ago |Or alternatively people might just be being smart and waiting for the reviews of the production cameras rather than reading the comments from the “we want everything and we want it for free” mob. OTOH they could just be looking at the latest shots from later firmware which are resoundingly proving the IQ nay-sayers wrong. ISO3200 looks darn fine to me and like most people, thats as far north as I ever go.
Sky_walker
2 years ago |Yep. There isn’t much point in commenting every new pictures with same remark: wait till final firmware.
David
2 years ago |Pretty much. I got fed up saying it.
Wait for final release retail a77
Wait for Adobe to release PROPER support for raw files
Photongraph
2 years ago |Are you all blind or can’t you see that (because you haven’t got a calibrated display?) the Alpha 65 and Alpha 77 APS-C CMOS sensor is one of the best in the market, it’s really a “cutting the edge” and state of the art High-MP CMOS sensor with such nice resolution and fine details and really nice JPEG-engine without much noise etc. for an APS-C with 24.3 MP, my Sony Alpha 900 is much worser @ real life High-ISO output @ ISO 6400!
It’s (the Alpha 65 and Alpha 77) show much better High-ISO performance against the Sony Alpha 850 in the test even the Canon EOS 7D is not better, even worser in detail resolution:
http://image.xitek.com/forum/201109/17118/1711886/1711886_1314881760.jpg
original link:
http://forum.xitek.com/showthread.php?threadid=908308
Translation with german yahoo.de babel fish, chinese to english online translator:
http://de.babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.xitek.com%2Fshowthread.php%3Fthreadid%3D908308&lp=zh_en&btnTrUrl=%DCbersetzen
Boys and guys buy a calibrated EIZO or NEC Display (with (s-)pva or (s-/h-)ips panel), before saying such things like the 24.3 APS-C CMOS sensor is such a bad thing…
IMHO the Alpha 77 and 65 APS-C CMOS sensor with 24.3 MP is one of the best in todays market!
It’s state really of the art for high-mp conditions!
The Alpha 900 and 850 sensor with 24.6 MP fullframe/35mm is nowadays really outdated, would you all be honestly.
I am really awaiting the Alpha 99 etc. with + 30 mp ff/35mm sensor!
It will be much more better than the Alpha 900 24.6 MP sensor which is only really good @ ISO 100/200 till ISO 800 and 1600. ISO 3200 is okay, but ISO 6400 is espacially the horriblest thing when using the Alpha 900!
ahhh-lpha100
2 years ago |No need to get so rude, I could just as well say “can’t you read?”. The new ones look great (I am impressed as well) but the first ones with firmware version 0.58 were really very bad.
This might have turned a lot of people off. Still dropbox with the new ones seems to be offline due to heavy traffic. So I might have been wrong about interest..
By the way it is kind a hard to type something about image quality when you are blind..
David Roberts
2 years ago |The Sony Club Germany photos are AMAZING! I really hope that they look like that in the final firmware version. If so, that could be what makes me want to buy the A77. What are people’s opinions re: using old Minolta glass. Do people think the results will be comparable?
Mark London
2 years ago |Hi There, I have a a580 which is wonderful, but i would like to upgrade to the a77. I’m in Canada now, but will be moving back to the UK at the end of the year. Does the A77 have settings for Pal and NTSC in the camera or will they be sold with Pal for Europe and NTSC for America. I know the frame rates are different i.e. 24 for the US and 25 for the Pal countries . As i am shooting and using a computer for my work, how will i be affected. Should i buy one A77 now in USA because of much cheaper, or wait until i get back to the UK to get one.
Mark L