New NEX-7 preview at Luminous Landscape (+ Zeiss versus Leica test).
There is a new detailed first impression review at Luminous Landscape (Click here).
I am just sharing some of the positive things they wrote about the NEX-7:
- “From an operational perspective what immediately brings a grin to an experienced photographer’s face is how comfortably the camera falls to hand. It’s one of those designs that makes few demands for accommodation on the part of the photographer. And, given how small the NEX-7 is, this is quite remarkable, even for people with large hands.”
- “Certainly at low to moderate ISOs the NEX-7 is neck-and-neck with Sony current Pro-grade full-frame camera, and that means that it will be comparable to the image quality of Nikon and Canon’s current full-frame cameras – at moderate ISOs, of course. ”
What’s very nice is that they compared the new Zeiss 24mm lens versus the very expensive and top quality Leica 24mm Summilux: “The 24mm Summilux simply can’t perform properly on the NEX-7 until its stopped down to f/8 and f/11, at which point it’s comparable to the new Zeiss 24mm.”
Bottom line: “ I predict that the NEX-7 will be one of the hottest cameras of the coming year, and is going to really put other camera maker’s feet to the fire when it comes to offering an attractive mix of image quality, features, size, build quality and price. Sony clearly made a decision to make the NEX-7 as full featured as possible, not holding back any of their available features or technology. With many camera makers creating market segmentation by artificially restricting features to certain price points, Sony is to be commended for pulling out all the stops for the NEX-7 and keeping the price as reasonable as it did given the camera’s wide ranging features and capabilities.”
Preorder the NEX-7 at Amazon, Adorama, B&H, J&R, eBay (Some stores may are not accepting preorders now).
Preorder the Zeiss 24mm f/1.8 at Amazon, Adorama, B&H, J&R, eBay (Some stores may are not accepting preorders now).
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dk
9 months ago |“With many camera makers creating market segmentation by artificially restricting features to certain price points, Sony is to be commended for pulling out all the stops for the NEX-7 and keeping the price as reasonable as it did given the camera’s wide ranging features and capabilities.”
Very nice!
Mike
9 months ago |The NEX-7 is the flagship camera for E-mount. There’s no point in restricting features as there’s no other E-mount camera that would get the features.
But Sony does exactly that with the Alpha 65. They stripped away AF micro-adjustment. Big mistake in my opinion!
z
9 months ago |A77 shouldn’t have AF micro adjustment if it were nikon’s or canon’s.
Wing Tang Wong
9 months ago |NEX is contrast AF, so no microAF adjust needed….
Mike
9 months ago |I didn’t claim that feature is needed with the NEX (unless you use the LA2 adapter where it may be helpful).
The point was that Sony is deliberately dumbing down their products, just not the NEX7.
Henrik
9 months ago |Does the Nex-7 have a 1) tiltable 2) touch screen? If not, they restricted something.
Chris Lewis
9 months ago |NOVEMBER CAN’T COME SOON ENOUGH!!!
Jiri
9 months ago |+1
nagi
9 months ago |November, november… When my bank account will hate me. (Or maybe december, so it can go under the tree.)
I wish I knew exactly how expensive in HUF it will be, as sadly sony.hu does not display prices. Yes, we know the USD/GBP prices, but I’ll be in Hungary during that time. If things go as bad as usual, it might cost nearly the same as a FF dSLR.
Nawaf
9 months ago |It’s still September!
Nobodi
9 months ago |No camera can be good for every purpose. NEX-7 will be no exception, but I believe it nailed a very important sector of photographic needs.
To me personally, the biggest imperfections of NEX-7 is that it does not have a tiltable EVF. If it did, it would be great for waist-level shooting, which is a significant style requirement for me. I am more and more unwilling to lift a camera to my eyes. Unless I intend to be identified as a photographer (which I almost never do), that posture seems more and more strange to me and is a compromising one that hurts my pride in public.
ISO performance is another shortcoming, but I need it in just about 10% of the circumstances. In contrast, the vertical EVF for waist level shooting would be appreciated in almost 99% of the circumstances. Of course that’s just me.
To me, the large file size itself bothers me more than the high ISO performance. I am a minimalist, and hate to do things or handle things that are unnecessary. This is the case with 24M pixels. In 90% of time, I don’t need more than 12M. Watching my computer spending time processing the bits that I actually don’t need bothers me, and knowing that those unnecessary bits sit in my storage also bothers me. It would be great if NEX-7 had pixel binning. Even if it doesn’t improve the high ISO performance, at least I would have an option of not having to carry the burden of the unnecessary bits.
I now have a really perplexing dilemma on choosing between NEX-5N and NEX-7. I have a hunch that NEX-7N will have what I need. So I hold my hope.
TypeZeiss
9 months ago |yeah but the LCD on the back is tilt-able, no? Wouldn’t that sort out that problem? As for the computer, maybe its time to sort out a new one? (kidding….sorta)
Nobodi
9 months ago |Yes, those half-solutions actually add to the perplexing level of the dilemma
Without them, I would have easily looked away from NEX-7 to settle with NEX-5N. The performance of the LCD, especially outdoors, is not going to be nearly as good as EFV. As to the computer, I don’t think I can buy a faster computer. My custom-built computer is faster than anything on the market.
But one needs to understand the psychology (and philosophy) of a minimalist. Even if LCD worked fine, I would be bothered by the fact that a significant piece of the camera (the EVF that is) is siting there serving no significant purpose. Even if my computer is fast enough, I don’t like the fact that half the pixels were created (and occupying the precious sensor space) for no meaningful purpose (other than hurting the high ISO performance).
Brendon
9 months ago |When you say “the EVD is sitting there serving no significant purpose” you should have qualified it with a statement “For me”
IF I could afford the NEX-7 I don’t mind that the EVF isn’t tilted as I do most of my shooting at the eye level for extra stability of the camera (especially since the NEX-7 doesn’t have body IS which would work with all lenses).
And while I don’t care for 24 Megapixels either nor is my PC very fast, I can always use 12 MP mode when I don’t need all that MPs and get to higher MP when actually required like birding and macros where cropping will be required.
Also I think its premature to believe that the production version of the 24 MP sensor found in the NEX-7 will be worse than the 16 MP sensor found in the NEX-5N. We should remember that the 16 MP Sony sensor was better than the 10, 12 and 14 MP sensors that Sony came up with earlier.
Let the final NEX-7 come out before we should pass judgement on its IQ.
T.J.
9 months ago |the EVF is exactly what I wanted, it really helps capture fast action pictures when you are using manual lenses, at least for me, it also is something that many persons are used to when it comes to the use of a camera. I have plenty of computer power for the 24MP otherwise the NEX 5n would be a good choice, !!! I believe this camera is for a new segment of persons who want this level of use on the many backgrounds that it covers !!! My zeiss 42mm F2 is begging for this camera
C
9 months ago |In that case, iIf you look through the EVF then you are wasting the LCD.
liker
9 months ago |A minimalist with a fastest computer in the world faster than anything on the market, “Watching my computer spending time processing the bits”??? Any minimalists would be shooting only film cameras.
An EVF is not even one inch wide, but you like to shoot from the waist? EVF is not the same thing as the LCD. “For waist-level shooting, which is a significant style requirement for me. I am more and more unwilling to lift a camera to my eyes. Unless I intend to be identified as a photographer”… seems like you only need a stalker camera for shooting up girl’s skirts.
Hiep
9 months ago |+1 for the EVF,
I had the Oly EVF before, and definitely it was too small to shoot like that. And I also shot with a TLR (twin lens reflex) before. Personally, I don’t really see the point of tilt-able EVF, it’s not big enough (certainly no where near the TLR/MF focus screen). The LCD is definitely suitable for this.
TypeZeiss
9 months ago |unless you have the eyes of a eagle I don’t see how you would logically be able to see through a tiny EVF while holding it at waist height. Just doesn’t seem sound, practical or even possible.
Nawaf
9 months ago |I’d like to see you use an EVF at waist level. Unless you just mean being able to tilt it vertically then I guess the 5N is right for you. The LCD is alright even in bright situations, had a NEX-5 and it was fine.
BTW, why didn’t they make a black EVF for the 5N! The mic too!
tipper
9 months ago |The Leica lens is obviously off focus.
The center performance should be on the NEX-7 the same as on the Leica M9/8 because there is no micro-lens-shift. Therefore the test result has no evidence.
Chris Lewis
9 months ago |Leica lens “off focus” – I don’t think so! Leica lenses are as close to perfection as can be (or at least that’s what we have been led to believe).
Reading the article carefully the Leica lens isn’t criticised, but it is the combination of the two that is at fault. I bet that very lens will perform flawlessly on an M9.
Similar “faults” have also been reported with Carl Zeiss M fit lenses.
Arnold
9 months ago |The misfocus is not the fault of the Leica lens, but of the photographer.
I think he used the focus peaking function, but it wasn’t accurate, he should have focused with magnification.
youdidntdidyou
9 months ago |ah what did I say you about focus peaking!!! magnified manual focus wins hands down
Nawaf
9 months ago |Ofcourse no one in their right mind would use peaking for static subjects. It really helps when you know a subject will move soon or have a few seconds to shoot. Just take a few shots at different focusing distances just in case.
It’s not perfect at f1.2 but it does the job of making life easy. How was I using a manual lens before this feature? My subjects used to get bored of waiting and if they moved slightly I’d have to recheck it.
Thank you Sony for making life easier.
matgay
9 months ago |from the test samples, they obviously forgot that the leica summilux is a “manual” focus lens.
his explanation:
“The problem lies in the fact that while a Leica M adaptor allows the lens to mount on a NEX-7 (or any NEX or Micro Four Thirds camera) the sensor on these cameras is not designed with the micro-lenses needed to properly handle the extreme off axis rays from a lens of the Summilux’s design.”
is nonsense because how can these leica lenses work on the older nex3/nex5 sensors, but is so blurry on a newer sensor nex7???
matgay
9 months ago |http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1711388
Katsunami
9 months ago |That is what I asked myself. The Nex-3 and Nex-5 where sharp except in the corners, and the Nex-C3 and Nex-5N seem to produce very fine results when using Leica and Zeiss M-glass (see the website by Steve Huff).
Also, many other lenses (Contax G, Olympus OM) are producing quite good pictures on the Nex camera’s, even on the older ones.
On FredMiranda it actually seems that the Nex-C3 fixes the color shifts with wide angle lenses such as the Zeiss ZM 18mm and ZM 21mm. I cannot believe that sony fixed the problem on the C3 and N5, and did not fix it on the 7.
Even if they did -not- fix the problem on the Nex-7 should perform at least the same as the old Nex-5 and Nex-3. The center “sharpness” of the Leica is just laughable; I cannot believe this and feel that the photographer did something horribly wrong. It looks like the Leica lens is misfocused enormously.
If this is how the Zeiss ZM and Leica M glass is going to “perform”, then it would shatter a dream for me… I’ve been waiting YEARS for a camera such as the Nex-7 (peaking mode, EVF, all controls, small, able to take M-lenses) because I don’t want to pay for a Leica M9, and can’t even focus a rangefinder due to bad eyesight.
Eric
9 months ago |I was very curious about this myself. I’ve seen some really good results from Leica-M glass on the NEX bodies. Photozone.de has even tested a few on the NEX-3. Some have done better than others, but none have been as bad as that Lux 24mm test.
Pascal645
9 months ago |The (very very) poor performance of the Leica lens is a mojor problem for Sony in my book, as many buyers (me included) will be more interested in using their current Zeiss or Leica lenses than Sony’s E mount lenses. I had a biogon 25mm on order for the NEX-7 (based ono glowing reviews with a NEX-5 …). Now I’ll wait to see whether others confirm this poor performance.
zstan
9 months ago |i think only wide angle Leica lenses (or all range finder lens for that matter) perform poorly… The 50mm summilux and others performs very very well as far as IQ is concerned…
Correct me if i am wrong.
matgay
9 months ago |i have seen some samples from sonyalphanex.blogspot.com of the 21mm leica elmarit f2.8 on the nex5 with sharp in-focus results.
michel v
9 months ago |Owners of Leica/Zeiss glass are vastly outnumbered by non-owners, to the point that it’s really a minor issue for Sony…
Nobodi
9 months ago |huh??
gaMiNos
9 months ago |“I’ve been waiting YEARS for a camera such as the Nex-7 (peaking mode, EVF, all controls, small, able to take M-lenses) because I don’t want to pay for a Leica M9, and can’t even focus a rangefinder due to bad eyesight.”
>> Ricoh GXR A12 M mount has these carac!
Katsunami
9 months ago |They “forgot” to give the GXR an EVF. Putting the EVF onto the GXR makes the hotshoe unusable for a flash, and I’d like that option. Also, does the GXR have something such as peaking? As far as I know it doesn’t, but it seems to have some sort of black/white “emboss”-like feature for focusing.
matgay
9 months ago |i too thought i was going to get the zeiss biogon ZM25 f/2.8. but now i hear voigtlander will release a Nokton 25mm f/0.95 Micro Four Thirds Lens, and also later in the NEX E-mount. have not heard of the release date yet though. that f/0.95 would make the viewfinder naturally brighter.
matgay
9 months ago |http://suwenchee.blogspot.com/2011/03/voigtlander-25mm-f095-for-sony-nex-e.html
Hiep
9 months ago |The m43 Nokton 25/0.95 has been out for a while. However, don’t hold your breath for the E-mount version. It’s not feasible yet with the current tech (size and price).
matgay
9 months ago |yea heavy vignetting because of the larger NEX sensor.
but i would trade a little bit of quality to be able to go from f/2.8 all the way to f/0.95!
Nico
9 months ago |Even if the Nex-7 sensor is not designed for Leica lenses (only a problem for borders), this results are really weird !
The lens is out of focus obviously !! At the center at least it’s not logical… As the lens stopped down it comes to focus because the DOF increase…
On the Nex-5, I used all my Leica lenses with very good results (even with summilux), so I seriously doubt of the bad results with the Nex-7…
Clyde
9 months ago |Author misleads by stating Sony doesn’t create “market segmentation” by withholding any features.
Where is my wired remote control? The IR units stink (they delay). Need wired for instant shoot and continuos shoot remotely. No remote shooting for video either. No tethering. Togs need instant and continuous shoot without having to touch the camera.
One of the most advanced cameras in history… And it can’t shoot wired (cable) remote? Cheap film rangefinder cams from the 1960′s can do that. Cameras have shot remote with cable release since the beginning of photography… But the All Powerful NEX cannot do it. Shame on you Sony… Enthusiasts and Pros need wired remote shooting
Gunnar
9 months ago |+1! A cable remote port would have been great also for timelapse recording. Also i would have loved to see a clean hdmi output..
Ffios
9 months ago |A77 coming to korea in 12 hours… Already more than 200 ppl waiting in front of the store to get a special event with free bag and free battery grip….
Gunnar
9 months ago |Damn..i would so much like to get that free bag!
Ffios
9 months ago |http://sharingmatrix.com/file/85860 all free with the first 200 a77
acolyte
9 months ago |Broken link. Updates?
Mike
9 months ago |I want one, too. What missing is a battery grip. With a battery grip and the latest A-mount adapter, it would become a professional tool, too
Two cameras in one. super…
sgts
9 months ago |These press photo ops are heartbreakingly lame.
Nobodi
9 months ago |@Brendon: of course I meant “for me”. I’m surprised that given the fact that I explicitly described my position, it could be possibly understood any other way. Also, unlike many others, high ISO performance isn’t my primary worry of NEX-7. If you read what I wrote carefully, I didn’t even mean that 24M of NEX-7 itself is a problem to me. I may sometime need that kind of resolution (for example, if I’m shooting a landscape and know that I need large prints). I just know that I don’t need that 90% of the time, and wish the camera had an option of smaller file sizes (raw of course because I never should JPG) as a direct output of the camera.
@C: LCD serves other purposes. Being used as viewfinder is only a part of that. I’m surprised that you’re picking on points like this.
@liker: You seem to have a different definition of “minimalist” as I do. My definition of a minimalist is one who has a goal and tries to accomplish the goal with the highest efficiency but without wasting unnecessary resources. Your definition seems to be a survivalist who tries to survive with the least amount of means.
Come to think of it, your definition may be closer than mine to common views. So that would be less than an ideal choice of word on my part.
But one thing is clear, I’m not your kind of minimalist. I always want the best. I just don’t want anything that I don’t need. As an illustration, I’m kind of person who never buys anything just because it is offered at a huge discount, or even given away for free. If I need it, I’ll get it. If I don’t, I see merely possessing it as an expense (a negative, not just a zero). It sometimes surprises me that not everyone has this view.
Also, obviously your understanding of “waist-level shooting” is completely different from what is in my mind. Again, it could be a wrong choice of word on my part. But I don’t have a better term for that. If you are familiar with the traditional 6×6 medium format cameras, you probably understand the kind of shooting I am talking about. The external EVF viewfinder made for NEX-5N is quite close to be able to do what I want to do. For example, I want to be able to shoot at a very low position while I’m either sitting or crouching with my eyes looking *down* instead of lifting the camera up to my eyes and looking *forward* toward the target. If you still don’t understand what I’m talking about, I give up on describing
Also, maybe I’m wrong, but you sound like that you think a claim of having “a computer faster than anything on the market” is a ridiculous claim and deserve some mocking. I was comparing to PCs one can buy off the shelf at a retail store. If you are among those who buy the best components to build custom computers by themselves, you would understand that it is actually an understatement to say that many of us have computers that are faster than anything one can buy on the market. It’s not just faster. It’s better in many other aspects.
But all above are distractions. Please accept my apologies for causing this. All I meant to say was that NEX-7 came to be so close to being a perfect camera to me. If it had a tiltable viewfinder, I wouldn’t hesitate to buy it. But now, there’s an unexpected debate going on between NEX-5N and NEX-7. I shouldn’t have even mentioned the number of pixels at all. That is just a minor point.
Mike L
9 months ago |Hi, guys. I have a quick question or two. I’m sorry, but I must not have been paying attention while the NEX-7 news started coming out, since I already have the NEX-5.
Is the hot shoe on the NEX-7 the same as the hot shoe on all Alpha cameras? Can I use my big Alpha flashes with it? If not, is there a flash coming out for the NEX-7? And I guess I could not use my NEX-5 flashes on it?
Thanks for your help.
Clyde
9 months ago |Yes the Alpha flash units will fit directly to NEX-7. And they’ll look damned silly too.
We need pancake flashes for NEX.
Mike L
9 months ago |Ah, thanks, Clyde!
Georg
9 months ago |So… When will I get my NEX-6? A NEX-7 with the sensor of the NEX-5N?
That would hit all the sweet spots!
Mantas
9 months ago |+1!!!
www.MilosJanata.com
9 months ago |+++++
nandadevieast
9 months ago |Built in flash serves as Wireless flash commander…
Bbjones
9 months ago |I wish they would have put GPS in it though.
Mr Bean
9 months ago |I wish it would have a built in espresso mashine.
Nawaf
9 months ago |Macchiato for me please
www.MilosJanata.com
9 months ago |Is there an option to disable translucent mirror on A65/75? That could help to improve low light while camera can still focus using CDAF..
David
9 months ago |Looks amazing. I want one.
Brandon
9 months ago |This review is embarrassing. How is it so many mistakes can be made by a single reviewer? Here’s one that particularly irks me: he claims the NEX7 is merely one stop noise than the NEX5n yet likewise a stop nosier than the a900? So the a900, a camera maligned for noise, is to him only as noisy as the NEX5n, a camera praised for its unprecedented high ISO ability second to only one other camera (a certain FF Nikon) and exceeding even the much-beloved Canon 5DMII? The guy should not have access to a blog where he can continue to [mis] educate!
lorenzino
9 months ago |a900 disappoints because it is FF, especially when compared to the Nikon D3x, which shares a very similar sensor (of course I am not mentioning the 12mp sensor in the Nikon 3Ds, which is the best of them all). But a900 is better than almost all Aps-c sensors, maybe excluding the 16mp sensor present in the D7000 and in the Sony Nex5n. But the comparisons I read never claimed this aps-c 16mp sensor being better than the a900 at all ISOs. On the contrary: depending on the reviewer it appears that the Nikon D7000 (the most reviewed camera with this sensor) tops the a900 in dynamic range, but the a900 is better in high ISOs (although the D7000 has an advantage in being able to reach 25.600 with a 2x busting). Well, not that many serious comparisons exist, though, as usually serious reviewers do not compare aps with FF…
Brandon Smoot
9 months ago |It’s bizarre to claim ‘serious’ reviewers do not compare APS to FF… Canon itself places their APS-H smack in the center of APS-C and FF. The whole debate over mirrorless is in large portion a debate over transitioning from FF to APS-C. The lions share of professionals now shoot with APS-C. And lastly, it’s not the gear, it’s not the photographer, it’s the combination, but much much more so the later than the former.
Regarding his commentary–ah, no. Even you are having to admit the NEX5n bests the a900 (though you spliced it up quite a bit). It’s perfectly irrelevant how many sensors the a900 bests–it does not best or even equal those he names. Moreover while low ISO ability is important, the controversy over the NEX-7′s performance (and the former controversy over the a900 for that matter) is entirely centered around high-ISO performance–meaning if the reviewer were making sideways and unexplained references to low-ISO ability he would be positively misleading and off-subject.
lorenzino
9 months ago |Well, the comparisons I have read so far about high isos up to 6400 (a900 vs D7000) point to the a900 having a slight edge. But the a900 does not have higher ISOs, the D7000 does. The problem here is that sites like Dpreview tend to compare similar cameras, so it is hard to see equivalent (lab) pics from the FF a900 and aps-D7000 (or Sony Nex5n, which has more or less the same sensor).
If you have found serious sites that do this comparison, could you please post the link? I would be very interested in evaluating myself these differences.
Anyhow, despite the a900 falling behind the D3x, the Canon 5D mark II, and the D3s, it is still one of the best IQ producers of them all (also in noise performances), so the reference to that camera made by the director of Luminous Landscape is fully motivated. And also very well informed, as he owned that camera almost since its introduction (years ago), and has discussed more than once its pros and cons.
Anyhow we are talking about the review and impressions of a photographer, not of an ingenier, nor of a “professional” tech reviewer. Which implies that on one hand his review are less “technical” than, e.g., Dpreview’s reviews; on the other hand that his reviews are much more important for those who actually like taking pictures, and not only talking about how cameras can take pictures (and in fact many Dpreview reviews are centered much more on the technological aspect of the cameras than on the pictures actually taken with them)
Brandon Smoot
9 months ago |DPReview’s comparison tool allows most [all?] cameras currently measured to be compared, of any sensor-size. You can, if you wish, compare I believe the Canon G10 to the Nikon D3s.
matgay
9 months ago |he finally updated his page:
24mm Zeiss vs 24mm Summilux on the NEX-7
Update: I have been told by some people that the test below may be flawed, and that the 24mm Summulux was slightly defocused because it couldn’t be that bad on-center. This is quite possible, since this wasn’t performed under controlled studio conditions, and the lens may well have become accidentally defocused during handling. I intend to repeat this test as soon as I can put this combination of gear together again. I regret any confusion this may have caused.
grumps
9 months ago |+1, it’s sad but true! Especially coming from LL.
lefty
9 months ago |I can guarantee you that there is no such thing as:
“the sensor on these cameras is not designed with the micro-lenses needed to properly handle the extreme off axis rays from a lens of the Summilux’s design.”
It will perform equally good or bad with all lenses that have the same focal length.
Brandon
9 months ago |Well lefty your guarantee isn’t worth much: the Leica sensor has such microlenses in order to accommodate legacy glass, also this sensor design is taken into consideration during the design of current Leica lenses. More importantly this is a disadvantage of sensors over film and as such digital lenses for brands lacking these microlenses, such as with NEX, are correspondingly designed to accommodate this. Here we have two incompatible answers to the same engineering dilemma applied, so yes it is problem. That said, he failed to focus properly as has been said… It should not be so extreme a difference as shown.
lefty
9 months ago |Sorry, I was only thinking about the sharpness property when I made my comment. I should have said “they will perform equally SHARP”.
The placement of the micro lenses are decided based on the distance between the focal plane and the sensor plane, hence the angle of the rays reaching the sensor. This is the reason why an A77 sensor cannot be used directly on a NEX 7. That distance is not the same between the two cameras. Since different brands use different distances, The rays reach the sensor with angles at which the microlenses are not designed for. This will have an effect ONLY on the amount of light gathered by each pixel. This may cause problems like vignetting, or noise but NOT sharpness. You may actually have similar problems when using lenses designed for Sony’s DSLR bodies. Even if you use Sony’s own adapter…
jason
9 months ago |the differences are in the edges of the sensors where rangefinder lenses are projecting light more “sideways” that a regular dslr lens. either way, i was the one who contacted him and talked to him about it and he then put up that update. also there should only be a small effect on apsc cameras near the edges not the whole thing. also they dont look “soft” they look unfocused. and if there is a safe haven on the internet anywhere for legitimate information its at luminous landscape