New Nikon D7000 and Pentax K-r with Sony sensor….
The new Nikon D7000 (Click here)
UPDATE: That’s what dpreview wrote: “All of these pixels are packed onto a newly developed CMOS sensor, which is almost certainly the same or very similar to that in the Sony Alpha SLT-A55.”
Also the Pentax K-r (Click here)
I can see a bright future for Sony sensors and you? Now let’s hope Sony will bring some new semi-pro and pro camera!
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Mohd.
2 years ago |Nikon didn’t confirm that and won’t i guess. However it seems to be Sony sensor.
14mp:
Nikon d3100
Sony a33
16mp:
Nikon d7000
Sony a55
Sahaja
2 years ago |Nikon are never going to say so.
May have some of their mods, like the one on the in the D3x, but the IQ is likely to be similar.
Edgars
2 years ago |IQ always depend on lens & image sensor & image processor. Same sensor is just one component of tree. Modern processors and calculation algorithms could compensate either lens and sensor weekneses.
Matt
2 years ago |Weekneses like your spelling, you mean?
acolyte
2 years ago |Meh, look over such little things, at least he’s not a flamer
Edgars
2 years ago |Chromatic aberration, vignetting for lenses, noise etc for sensors.
qbic
2 years ago |Its not only about algorithms. Nikon knows how to use Sony sensors to gain 14 bit output.
Sony (sadly) still can’t figure it out
acolyte
2 years ago |You make it sound sad..
Panfruit
2 years ago |It is.
Sky_walker
2 years ago |So far camera sensors ain’t good enough to create any really visible advantage between 14bit RAW and 12bit RAW. Manufacturers need first to improve the dynamic range and color accuracy (fevon-alike sensors?). Than… 16 bit RAW is something I’d prefer to see – at least that’s more native to graphic packages (eg. you’d be able to use photos as HDR images right away in 3D software as textures).
Myst
2 years ago |just shoot raw and the image processor won’t matter that much
and in regard of lenses sony/nikon/canon all have great lenses.
The sensor might be a bit modified regarding size, but i doubt it’s not the sony sensor. tweaked a bit by nikon, pentax might have tweaked it also a bit.
acolyte
2 years ago |It’s not that easy though to tweak a sensor, after all, it’s millions of transistors :s Except if they got the blueprint that is, and I’m not sure if they can simply take it like that
Edgars
2 years ago |It is known that part of the noise reduction is done on sensor (Sony, Canon, any) and you couldn’t influence it or switch it off.
Also 14 bit files needs much more processor performance.
Mistral75
2 years ago |Pentax K-r succeeds to K-x which already had a Sony sensor.
ET
2 years ago |A55 loses light to translucent mirror. A more fair comparison would be A580 vs D7000
acolyte
2 years ago |Okay I know I’m missing something here. Is A55 using Exmor R? A580 is, right?
Panfruit
2 years ago |Neither uses Exmor-R. That was a typo.
Q
2 years ago |Pentax did a fantastic job with the K-x, i’m curious to see how they will go with the new camera, fingers crossed it will be another high ISO monster
pmac
2 years ago |Yeah, like many I wondered if the D3100 14Mp sensor might not be Sony NEX/A33/A560 but now the D7000 turns up with, magically, the same 16.2 Mp as the A55/A580…. Frankly trying to figure how these new Nikon’s arent using Sony parts is simply too convoluted to be true.
All in all it looks like all the doom and gloom about Sony sensors being dropped was a bunch of bull.
I must admit though I’m surprised to here people praising Pentax high ISO performance. In my experience Pentax is the only major player whose high iso IQ was (and remains)worse than Sony’s.
Martin
2 years ago |It’s not a Sony-Sensor!
Digitalkamera.de wrote:
“Ein weiteres Highlight ist der effektiv 16,2 Megapixel auflösende CMOS-Bildsensor, den Nikon laut Markus Hillebrand, Marketing-Manager Nikon Deutschland, selbst entwickelt hat und produziert.”
Mistral75
2 years ago |Und Du glaubst einem Marketing-Manager
Edgars
2 years ago |Nikon marketing manager makes sensors?
erwinkfoto
2 years ago |Got it
Nikon writes the specs, Sony designs and produces it and Nikon works on the image processing software.
It is always the same.
I don´t trust Marcus, do you?
Q
2 years ago |Have you seen the K-x’s high ISO ability??!
It’s nothing short of amazing and is probably the best APS-C for low light.
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxkx/page26.asp
I’m surprised you think Sony’s low light ability deserves to be rated, anything before the A550 was below industry standard especially for the jpeg conversions.
contraspirit
2 years ago |“Now let’s hope Sony will bring some new semi-pro and pro camera!”
Hoping like there’s no tomorrow.
Panfruit
2 years ago |Hope in one hand..
j/k
James
2 years ago |Sony make the best sensors and Nikon make the best cameras. The D7000 is a winner and all you people waiting endlessly for an A700 replacement should buy the D7000 instead.
acolyte
2 years ago |Hahaha. How about the colors, James? I dislike Canon’s colors -.- I chose Sony because of their colors
Does Nikon have similar colors?
Panfruit
2 years ago |I agree. Sony’s colors are excellent — that black with orange trim — mwah! superb! Nikon’s red trim gots nothing on it. And Canon? I can’t even remember what kind of trim they’ve got, so it must be crappy.
Sky_walker
2 years ago |lol
serre
2 years ago |there should be a mirror that can change from solid to translucent and vice versa. haha
Josef Neuburger
2 years ago |there is already! you just have to hinge it aside – a proven technology for over 50 years…..
James
2 years ago |If you were really worried about colours you would get a Sigma. The D7000 has the same or very similar sensor to the A55. How much different could the colours be? Basically Sony are going to replace the A700 with a translucent mirror model the A77. I believe Sony will only be using OVF in any future FF models. Those wanting an OVF in an APS DSLR will have to get either Canon Nikon or Pentax.
Sky_walker
2 years ago |“How much different could the colours be” – A LOT.
The reason for a color difference is post-processing. Nikon pulls images towards best noise performance – something that looks very decent in tests. Sony pulls photos towards best colors, actual print-out photographs.
It’s something that hardly can be tested and given a score in numbers, but anyone having lots of experience in post-processing of color-accurate photographs will tell you that with Sony photos there’s least work (while most with Canon).
emopunk
2 years ago |D7000 lookss simply brilliant: quite aimed at pros.. I see it hard for A77/A750 to compete. I hope Sony is really working hard on that..
acolyte
2 years ago |There’s still a week till Photokina
Keep hoping
emopunk
2 years ago |I will keep my faith..
Anyway, the answer has to be “on the ground”. They have to put out a scary cam to compete. At least as good, hopefully better!!
Edgars
2 years ago |Most interesting to me is 24p FHD video from the same Nikon manager Sony sensor. It is obvious it is possible to get such video output and according to Sony announcements it is also possible that Sony will add this output option via firmware update.
john
2 years ago |@James
“The D7000 is a winner and all you people waiting endlessly for an A700 replacement should buy the D7000 instead.”
If Nikon had in body image stabilization and i could sell all my Sony gear for an equal exchange I might consider it.
Guess I’m sticking.;-)
Edgars
2 years ago |Just in case:
http://blog.chasejarvis.com/blog/2010/09/nikon-d7000/
Nikon AF-F in the beginning of first video (on highway from car) really sucks. It hunts a lot and mostly is out of focus…
Robert Poirot
2 years ago |The nikon 7000 should have a alpha A lens/flash mount and it would be a great replacement for the alpha 700.
Sky_walker
2 years ago |Yep. Put Sony soft inside, A-bayonet, minolta hot-shoe and we’ve got very decent A700 successor
Q
2 years ago |One by one the challengers drop their camera’s, and it feels like they are all nervously waiting for Sony’s reply, and I believe it’s coming. This is the time to make that statement in the photography world about Sony’s intentions, if not now then never.
Nikon have their D300s/D90 hybrid, Canon have their watered down 60D (that all canoner’s hate, Pentax their K-r, Olympus have the E-5 – this is THE moment to strike otherwise the absence of Sony’s A7xx line will be amplified, and might even spark a mass departure of users.
I’m hoping it’s about to rain soon
acolyte
2 years ago |Meh, never judge too early. Remember, ‘Sony’/'Nikon’/'Canon’ are not the developers, or the engineers, or the managers. It’s the Board of Governors, and if it doesn’t make enough profit as far as they calculated, they won’t do it
What comes into play to their calculation? Market response.
acolyte
2 years ago |Note – When I say market response, it’s not how much google comes up with results from forums. It’s whether YOU buy their products or not.
Money talks. Packet bytes (forum talk), only so much.
PMac
2 years ago |It has often been said that Nikon gets better performance from Sony sensors than Sony itself. When it comes to noise, I would agree with that. My rough guesstimate would be that the difference is somewhere between half and one stop.
I note that Nikons implementation of the Sony sensors have included a 14 bit A-D conversion whereas Sony has maintained a 12 bit A-D conversion. This isnt my field – is there anyone out there able to provide credible insight into whether the 12 vs 14 bit A-D conversion is significant in explaining the difference in RAW output between the Sony and Nikon implementations?
On a different (but related) thread
Q – I sort of agree that Sony’s noise performance has lagged industry standards. I say ‘sort of agree’ because the revelation in A700 high ISO IQ with LR3 does indicate that a lot of the problem wasnt so much the camera as the processing software. That said, if you consider JPGs etc you’ve got a point.
But. During that whole sorry pre A550 period, the Pentax cameras using the samsung sensors (K10, K20 and now K7) arent any better however. Hence my surprise that Pentax was being considered an exemplar of high ISO performance.
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Edgars
2 years ago |12 vs 14 bit
Main difference is in color death and dynamic range. In general there is no real word difference just measures in the lab. I would compare it to A900 RAW vs cRAW. I feel difference, but I couldn’t measure it.
DxOMark scores:
Sony A900 12bit vs Nikon D3x 14bit
Color depth 23.7 vs 24.7
Dynamic range 12.3 vs 13.7
Low-Light ISO 1431 vs 1992
In contrary DPR measured usable dynamic range for A900 9.4EV vs D3x 8.4.
Sörppa
2 years ago |The Swedish site Fotoguiden has an interview with product specialist Lars Pettersson from Nikon Sweden about the D7000. At 2:16 Lars says “the manufacturing [of the sensor] is made by Sony, but it is a Nikon design, it’s our specifications”.
Link: http://www.fotoguiden.se/artiklar/webb-tv_mer_om_nikon_d7000-220.html
Mike
2 years ago |The new Sony Alpha APC body sensors are really excellent for noise now. I think the A5xx models and the A55 was rated the best or equal to the best out there?
So, let’s see, Sony has excellent sensors for color and noise, and you can stick Zeiss or Minolta/Sony G (pro) glass on your body which has image stabilization built in, even for primes and wide angles. The consumer lenses are very fine too. (Admittedly, Sony seems to add $10+ dollars to new lenses for the retail price compared to others. But, there are sales and closeouts. That’s when I buy.)
I shot Nikon for years and love it. But now I am shooting Sony, and love it.
For me, all the main complaints are over. I shoot RAW and do everything I can’t do in manual shooting in post processing. I’m looking forward to the lower cost much improved with HD video A7xx when it comes out but am happy with my A700 right now.
Por fin, son oficiales las alpha 55 y alpha 33
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2 years ago |According to K-rumors, the Pentax K-5 (K-7 replacement?) will also use Sony sensor.
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