Sony A77 news roundup (JPEG quality improvement test with the new firmware).
The video on top shows an “S mode trick” to get the autofocus to work on video shutter priority mode for the Sony A77.
Here is a list of A77 news and reviews you readers sent me the last days:
Cephotography (Click here) posted an image comparison between the A77 firmware 1.03 and 1.04 images. Looks like there is a small quality improvement! Discussion at Dpreview forum.
Jimmartinphotoblog (Click here) madw RAW vs JPEG comparison with the now “old” 1.03 firmware.
1.04 versus 1.03 firmware at Lowyat.
Shutter speed priority mode at SonyAlphaLab.
Firmwar 1.04 image samples by Mike Kobal.
HDMI output test on the A77 and other cameras (Atomos). Interesting!
Jeremy sent me this: “I realized some video test between the Canon 5D and the Sony A77:
- Moire/Aliasing effect : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAAyO4JujTE
- Roller shutting effect : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDxej4PaIxA
- Noise management : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ziz764Vvkuc”
David sent me this: “I’ve also done a couple of comparisons between the a77 and NEX-5n in terms of noise.
http://soundimageplus.blogspot.com/2011/12/noise-comparison-between-sony-a77-and.html
and http://soundimageplus.blogspot.com/2011/12/noise-comparison-between-sony-a77-and_01.html”
John sent me this: “Here’s a video review that I did of the Sony a77. It’s also for a competition that if I win I get to go to CES in Las Vegas next year. Do you think you would be able to help me out with that? please please please! Heres the link to the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlVZdtOrUdY&feature=feedu
And the link to the page where you can vote for me:
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2011/10/experience-ces-in-las-vegas-report-for-gizmodo-australia/”
Of course all SAR reader will vote for our friend John or not?
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And where can you find the A77 in Stock? I will post my full shopping daily check list. But if you find the A77 in Stock in some other stores feel free to help other SAR readers by commenting this post with the link to the store! Thanks! And here are all A77 links:
Australia: Sony.au, Digitalrev, Amazon, Adorama, B&H, eBay.au
Austria: Amazon.at, Sony.at, Pixmania.at, eBay.at
Belgium: Sony.be, Pixmania.be, eBay.be
Canada: Sony.ca, B&H, Pixmania Canada, Adorama, eBay.ca
China: Amazon.cn, Digitalrev, eBay
Denmark: Sony.dk, eBay, Pixmania.dk
Finland: Sony.fi, Pixmania.fi, eBay
France: Sony.fr, Amazon.fr, Pixmania.fr, eBay.fr
Germany: Amazon.de, Sony.de, Pixmania.de, eBay.de
Hong Kong: Digitalrev, Adorama, B&H, Amazon, eBay
Ireland: Sony.ie, Amazon.uk, eBay.ie
Italy: Sony.it, Amazon.it, Pixmania.it, eBay.it
Japan: Amazon.jp, Rakuten, eBay
Netherlands: Sony.nl, Pixmania.nl, eBay.nl
Norway: Sony.no, Pixmania.no, eBay
Poland: Sony.pl, Pixmania.pl, Redcoon.pl, eBay
Singapore: Digitalrev, B&H, eBay
Spain: Sony.es, Amazon.es, Pixmania.es, Redcoon.es, eBay
Sweden: Sony.se, Pixmania.se, eBay
Switzerland: Sony.ch, Amazon.de, Pixmania.ch, eBay.ch
United Kingdom: Jessops, Amazon.co.uk, Pixmania.uk, Warehouseexpress, eBay UK
USA: Amazon, Adorama, B&H, J&R, eBay

samdman
6 months ago |So, according to cephotography, there is indeed some iq improvement on higher iso on 1.04. Quite visible IMO.
Dr.Log
6 months ago |actuality there is alot of Improvements in FW 1.04 especially ISO but still we need some FW to make a77 the best Aps-c ever / do you think there is FW 1.05 come in the way ? thanks admin
Pablo
6 months ago |I want a JPEG quality improvement on my NEX 5N, too! The colors are better than with the N3, but still, the picture looks smeared, even on ISO100.
Mike
6 months ago |It seems the JPEG improvements for ISO 3200 to 12800 are considerable.
SRL
6 months ago |It great to see that the latest firmware has made improvements in .jpg and some of the other issue discovered when the camera made its debut several months back and with a little post processing the ISO will look even better— Good job Sony’s and with all of the difficulties with production.
Personally I cannot help to be disappointed with the a77.
Look, its late 2011, almost 2012 and it will soon be four years since Sony released its a900 in Sept of 2008 and Canon launched its widely used 5D mark II and Nikon it D700 al about the same time, and before everyone reminds me that the a77 is not targeted at the same market and know it’s a 7 series not a 8 or 9 Sony product, my point is it’s been four years and Sony is trying to equal or better cameras that the competition has had out for a long time now.
You would think that anything electronic made today, would just blow-the-doors-off, something put on the market four years ago. I could see it not besting a Nikon or Canon costing thousands more but it should really be out performing the Canon 5d in video with all of the changes Sony has made to the overall design of the DSRL. The image quality should be better than the NEX NOT equal or worse, and the overall pour ISO problem; really guys last year the rumors coming out of Sony posted on this site talked about the a77 have incredible useable ISO range. I just think that with four years between it would be a little better that it is.
I guess I’m just use to electronics basically being obsolete after a few years, replaced with new versions that make you wonder how you could have lived with the old model, and maybe camera electronics are just harder to improve on.
Today if someone twisted my arm to force me to buy a Sony it would be the NEX-7 and I would match it up to my Zeiss 85/f14 for street work.
As a long time A-mount shooter I remain hopeful that this spring, the new full frames will deliver the goods, and I’m willing and ready, to spend my cash on a really good performing camera to replace my much loved pair of a850 that I use. And this time, instead of two of the same as I’ve done many times before since I started being serious back in 1985 with I purchased two Minolta 9000 I think it will include a NEX-7
harpo
6 months ago |It’s been four years because Sony decided mid-stream to take a different technology direction (SLT). If rumors are correct this change in design philosophy didn’t happen until Sony was close to replacing the a700 with your standard APS-C upgrade, one that probably wouldn’t have been a game changer as they would have brought nothing new to the table. As painful as it was I didn’t mind the wait, R&D takes time and I was happy to see the a33 and a55 released before the a77 so improvements could be made upon them. Don’t forget there were also the, earthquakes, tsunamis and floods to contend with.
What has the a77 done to “blow-the-doors-off” the competition? How about the first 24 MP APS-C sensor, how about full time auto focus for video, peaking for manual focus, 12fps, weather proofing (new for Sony), awesome ergonomics, a reasonable price kit that can resolve the 24 MP sensor, SLT technology, OLED viewfinder (like it or not it is the near future), just to name a few.
Sure ISO didn’t blow our socks off, but you can’t have it all and everything else I get with the a77 by far exceeds my need to shoot at ISO 3200 or above.
The a77 is a game changer for Sony and may be for other manufactures depending on what kind of market share Sony can pull in with the a77 and a65.
I’m curious SRL, do you own an a77?
SRL
6 months ago |No, my group is looking into it, but not many loaners around.
We have tested the EVF on the a55 but realize that the a77 is a great deal better.
I own two a850 currently and my other has the Canon 5d.
My point is, that as kool as you may thing the a77 is after four years it’s fails to produce images that much better than my 2008 a850 and its video looks to me, not as good as a 2008 Canon 5d and most anyone would agree that the NEX-7 images-out better than the Alpha.
It may not matter, as we have great deal of money in my mounting hardware from Really Right Stuff for panos and general tripod mountings and as if yet RRS has not made the needed “L” bracket for any of the SLT designs.
I hoping that eveything will workout by the FF release, as thats when my budgeting allows for the purchase.
As much as I love all of my Zeiss (maybe not so much the 24/f2) I may need to follow my team over to the darkside.
Garreth
6 months ago |>>fails to produce images that much better than my 2008 a850
Let me see if I’ve got this correct… You are saying that you’re upset because a cropped sensor camera is only producing slightly better pictures than an older full framed sensor camera of basically equal resolution? For less money than the 850 originally sold for? With considerably more features?
Don’t want too much do you?
Wheelus
6 months ago |SRL, I think your comments are frankly, stupid.
I think that Sony, still new to the market, is trying to create specific segments of the market for each camera. Actually I think that they may have done too much at first, which resulted in too many expectations. For instance in the A550/580 you had dual memory card slots and battery grips. In the A65 you have no battery grip and one memory card slot. Jump up to the A77 and you add the battery grip but you still retain the one memory card slot, a step BACK from the A550/580.
But you now have two distinct niches that you have filled with these two NEW cameras. That doesn’t include the niches that you already have with the A35 and the A55. Line up the A35, A55, A65, And A77 and Voila, Sony now should show you that they have created a segment for four distinct and different types of photographers.
In other words SRL, Sony is just starting to get its game on.
Next come the PRO models which will probably bring back the dual card readers, which Sony probably realizes is more of a professional feature and was over designed for the the A550/580. You will have 24MP for the pixel peepers, a 36MP, and a new mystery camera possibly with a hybrid mount.
That will give you SEVEN new interchangeable lens cameras from which to choose. There will be something for literally everyone from Sony, a late entry into the market which has introduced some amazing new technology with more new technology to come.
There should be something there for every one, except for professional whiners like you who will always want one more feature or one more lens that is not available.
For me, I’ll be positive, and see what the next year has in store. I think Sony does have its game on!
Maveric19
6 months ago |+1
harpo
6 months ago |SRL,
I’m not a child nor do I think the a77 is “cool”. It’s a sophisticated piece of kit that for an apc-s camera has some incredible specs, features and tools that make taking photos an easier and more enjoyable experience.
IMHO you have no business espousing your opinion on something you haven’t spent any time with, and I don’t mean picking it up in the camera shot and pulling off a few shots. This is a camera that you need to spend time with to appreciate. I am by no means a Sony fan-boy, but amount of folks who beat this camera up without any hands on experience is ridiculous.
Check out the a77 photos on the attached link and tell me if you believe these are inferior to other Canikon or other Sony models?
http://www.flickr.com/groups/a77/
Vlad
6 months ago |Well, I think it is a great camera, but
1. you are counting wrong – SLT technology and video AF are redundant. Choose one.
2. the 24MP sensor is actually great imho, but as you can see it hardly satisfies everyone
3. EVF certainly is the future, but it also doesn’t blow off the competition
4. ergonomics? every DSLR has good ergonomics
5. peaking – awesome!
6. weather proofing – there’s an even tougher camera for less on the market
7. battery life is not very good
Again, I do believe that it is a great offering and in many aspects it is better than the competition, but it doesn’t blow them off at all. Just look at a K5.
rttew
6 months ago |i agree. sony is an electronics powerhouse. i know they have the technology and money to blow the doors off of canon and nikon if they wanted too. there must be a secret agreement between the three.
tfd
6 months ago |+1 to Harpo’s comment
Vlad
6 months ago |To some extent I agree with you, but I think you are oversimplifying Sony’s tasks. They aren’t only “trying to equal or better cameras”. Actually, they tried that, it didn’t work very well and they switched to “being different”. The problem is that you have customers to please. I am sure you’ve seen all the discussions about EVF vs OVF, SLT light loss, etc. It is difficult to push new technologies into a conservative market, which the amateur and pro photography one is.
lastoneleft
6 months ago |The real JPEG quality improvement is to start using RAW
there is a HUGE difference, even if you use something not that sophisticated like Lightroom3. I started to dig myself into this, as it really worth the effort if you shoot high ISO.
SRL
6 months ago |lastoneleft,
ACR and Lightroom are used by many, do you like something else that works better and if so, what are they?
FMJ
6 months ago |Finally! I have always hope the A77 can do full time phase AF with full manual control.
now we are half way there, Shutter priority with AF, but do i really need to turn on/off to get this trick?
this makes me think the NEX7 is a better video camera (beside the 5n which only has 1 wheel)
loempoer
6 months ago |did you mean AF on shutter priority video mode? sadly that trick useless on Fw 1.04… i hope there are another trick to do AF on shutter priority video
if it is possible to do AF on shutter priority mode, why sony disable it?
john Spirou
6 months ago |do you mean in new firmware 1.04 you cant do this ?
loempoer
6 months ago |nope….unless i missed something, i already tried it so many time but always back to MF on S, or AF in P..
see the description on the youtube link:
the youtube uploader MySilentKaopei said “IMPORTANT: THIS DOES NOT WORK ON FW1.04 ANYMORE!”
i wish i knew this trick before upgraded to fw 1.04…
lastoneleft
6 months ago |Hi
Topaz Denoise works very well, available as plugin for Photoshop. But I like how Lightroom behaves on RAW conversion – bit grainy, but very much photo-like
Alexey Ozerov
6 months ago |Battery usage in 1.04
ISO 400 – near 2500 RAW files – (3 hours shooting) – 1 battery empty 1 used 10% of charge
ISO 1600 1300 RAW files – (2,5 hours shooting) – 82% of charge used.
All foto – RAW All EVF watched near 20% of shooted foto. Back display in status mode (no LiveView)
Dan B
6 months ago |Anyone notice that the functions doing the automatic bracketed exposure (handheld twilight and auto HDR) are now taking much longer to complete the series of shots with FW 1.04?
saiman
6 months ago |The idea of quality improvement with the 1.04 firmware is a joke.
All the images like the ones posted by “Cephotography” clearly shows that there is no imporvement other than the use of heavy noise reduction, taking out more details from the picture.
It is sad, and again proves that nothing can be done to resolve noise in higher ISO with the 24 MP sensor.
How can you claim there’s any improvement here? Are you guys seeing these pictures closely?
For example, with the images of “Cephotography”, anyone should actually prefer the pictures produced by 1.03 firmware. Why?
Okay, look closely on the red cup (labelled “Vegemite”) in the pictures. On the top left portion of the cup, there’s a reflection from the other bottle that reads the word “VALUE” (mirrored).
Now, on the images produced by 1.03 firemware, the word is “VALUE” is identifiable at ISOs 1600, 3200 and 6400 (hardly), amidst the huge noise. You can still see each letter clearly apart from each other.
On the other hand, on the the images that the new 1.04 firmware produces, the word “VALUE” can only be clearly identified at ISO 1600. At ISO 3200, the letters already start to blend up together and it gets much harder to identify (although the NR of 1.04 tries to brighten up the edges). And, by the time you go to ISO 6400, everything is lost.
All the images produced by the new 1.04 firmware were more mushy than the ones by 1.03, and all the slight color differences are lost due to heavy NR.
Yes, I’m pixel peeping. And, why shouldn’t I? The 24 MP is pushed down on us for its use in larger prints and heavy cropping. And, if we’re suppoed to sacrifice image details now, what’s the use of it anyway?
And, no, I don’t shoot RAW all the time, and I want a good JPEG engine from Sony.
AlphaWorld
6 months ago |Andrea, here is a review in croatian, Google translate should do the job: http://www.monitor.hr/clanci/fotoaparat-sony-a77-u-potpunosti-je-opravdao-velika-ocekivanja/161098/
Cliff
6 months ago |Funny….I kinda wonder if the A77 design team might be a little upset that the NEX 5n picture quality came out as good as it did!
I wonder if the A77 team might think that the NEX 5n might be “too good” for its price point! It’s the cleanest Sony camera out there right now. (Aside from the NEX VG20)
I love the irony!
Jay - SonyAlpahLab
6 months ago |Thant video is incredible. I wonder if Sony Knows about that mistake!!
Best,
Jay
Maxwell
6 months ago |The A77/A65 got noisy high ISO RAW, compared to e.g. NEX-5N.
So I don’t believe A77/A65 can get much better if not Sony has done
something wrong in the firmware sensor readout.
Sony A65/77 got max ISO at 16.000
Sony NEX5N got max ISO at 25.600
WHY?
Because Sony A65/A77 got more noise so Sony think the max ISO limit
should be lower. But keep on dreaming “high ISO lovers”
Jay - SonyAlpahLab
6 months ago |Holy Cow!! That trick works with Aperture Priority Video Mode as well, but it locks at f/3.5
Oh Well.
Jurka
6 months ago |A65 awb works better with 1.04
DchB
6 months ago |Has any of the posters on here used the a77 in a studio setting yet. I would be interested to find out if the aperature was set to f11 and shutter speed to 1/60 in Manual Mode, would the view finder go very dark, as the a55 does. I probably would be a bit more interested in this body if SONY has fixed this situation. Thanks.
Terryfried
6 months ago |It has been known since before launch that A77 has a mode to turn off viewfinder effects and hence show the view as it is rather than how it would look with current settings and no extra light (studio flash etc) So there never has been a problem with A77 in this regard.
spn
6 months ago |i got bad news for you!
if you want to use flash as the only light source, the evf goes totally black!
I had a hard time scrolling the F up and down to be able to see my object!
so frustrating!
SonyA77
6 months ago |@spn you obviously haven’t read the A77 instruction manual! The EVF doesn’t go black in a studio if you change the setting!
SonyA77
6 months ago |The A77 has a new setting that switches off the effect of exposure in the EVF. So no, it doesn’t go black if you change that setting.
The A3x/55 do not have this new feature.
Alpha Jedi
6 months ago |Carl at alphamountworld says there is no jpeg/RAW IQ improvement and claims he’s got that info straight from Sony HQ.
DK from photoclubalpha also claims no IQ improvement after shooting hundred shots to compare.
Can’t say I’ve seen a 100% scientific test but the shots we are being provided with say there might be change. Who knows?
Dee
6 months ago |The”soundimageplus” guy is funny when he talks about DXOmark and its ISO marks. He doesn’t understand what SLT mirror does to picture quality. Andrea why even post these links when the guy has no clue?
DchB
6 months ago |Thanks for the reply spn. It would seem that if one wishes to use the a55 or a77 in the studio, you may as well switch from flash units, to continous spotlights I guess. Too bad, but maybe the new upcoming FF dslr’s will have corrected that. Then again, maybe not….
SonyA77
6 months ago |You information on the A77 in a studio is wrong. The A77 has a setting that switches off the effect of exposure in the EVF so that the EVF does NOT go black when using studio flash.
The A3x/55 do not have this feature.
soundimageplus
6 months ago |Perhaps if you took the trouble to read (and understand) what I actually wrote and not misrepresent and insult me, then you might find my post somewhat less amusing.
Jeremiah
6 months ago |The A65/77 are currently available in select Wolf/Ritz/Kits Camera stores across the country. The dallas area stores on Harry Hines road and greenville at lovers lane stores both have one in stock. And according to my purchasing department, there are only 9 a77 kits with the 2.8 lens reserved with an order of 300 waiting for sony to fill!
Clifton
6 months ago |I dont know why people are even expecting significant changes, its 1.03 to 1.04, such small increments in a FW usually have NO noticeable differences what so ever and are usually to fix minor bugs. When we see V2, THEN you can expect a significant change but its unlikely to be turn the camera into a high ISO monster we all seem to pin our lives upon.
todd
6 months ago |I am convinced that Sony (or any manufacturer) could come out with a camera that is a quantum leap above everything else and some people would still find something to piss and moan about. Like it doesn’t make espresso at the same time…
I can’t even bear to read dpreview forums any more. The idiocy is so thick you need a chainsaw to navigate the threads.
How about some realistic expectations? I recently sold a 5D2. It had its strong points. For one, I have shot a lot of tight indoor spaces and the 16-35L on a FF was perfect for the job. I now have NEX-5N and a77 (and got the g/f an a65). Are any of those “better” than the 3 year old 5D2? Well, depends. APS-C vs FF is a physics thing – you can only do so much trickery with math. But I am happier with the Sony due to the fact that I prefer the look of the images. If I pixel peep I can see where the APS-C falls down compared to the FF. Thankfully, I don’t public pixel-peeped final images. The guys at LL are spot-on. Just because you can pixel-peep that doesn’t mean it has much to do with the final image. If you treat a camera as a gadget or science experiment, then frankly you shouldn’t be shocked to find out that a bigger sensor will give lower noise all other things being equal. And a couple of years isn’t going to allow engineers to change the laws of physics.
If you like Sony, shoot Sony. If it doesn’t work for you, then shoot something else. There are some things that are worth complaining about (eg tethering and no 64 bit Mac updater). But going off because an APS-C doesn’t equal a FF chip in performance? Yeah, who would have predicted that.
Buy the 5D2. And shoot video…without AF like the a77. Or without the articulated screen. Or the colors. It really is simple. Pick a product that fits your needs and be happy.
DchB
6 months ago |Thanks to those who took the time to respond to my query about the viewfinder of the a77 potentially going dark in the studio. SONY a77, I hope you are right, and that there is a fix for this. I am hoping to get an opportunity to check out this camera in the New Year. I am used to using an OVF, but I am not such a “stick in the mud” that I would dismiss the EVF without giving it a chance to do what it does, then make a decision. I have used an EVF before, and it wasn’t terrible or anything like that. The Fuji EVF’s do not seem to have a darkening problem in the studio, and I was quite amazed that the a55 did. So, hopefully the ability to switch effects on the viewfinder of the a77 is not an annoying or awkward thing to deploy. Thanks again.
mXim
6 months ago |There is nothing to “hope” for. It works perfectly. Please get your facts straight.
Shawn
6 months ago |For the NEX-7 you can pre-order at http://www.abt.com/... Have mine in replacing my full frame A850…
James Walley
6 months ago |I must admit I’m a bit confused about the value of those video comparisons with the 5D. First of all, although the lens settings seem to have been chosen to match the APS-C crop factor (e.g. 16mm on the Sony versus 24mm on the Canon), the videographer seems to be unaware that the Sony’s crop factor on video is 1.89, narrower than the 1.5 for still photography — meaning that the proper match for the 16mm Sony while shooting video should have been 30mm on the Canon (and so on for the rest of the comparisons). Thus, the angle of view on the Canon is consistently wider than on the Sony, so the framing isn’t close to being equivalent.
Second, the Sony footage is obviously “overexposed” compared to the Canon. Just check out the texture of the sky in the first example. The person making the comparison may have matched apertures, shutter speeds, and listed ISO, but it’s quite clear the Sony, at those numeric values, is almost a full stop brighter than the Canon. (It also seems to have less contrast than the 5D.) Given all that, the A77 seems considerably softer in image than the 5D, but, without the visual qualities (view angle and brightness) being equalized between the two shots, it’s really hard to make direct comparisons.
Beyond that, all I can say is that neither camera seemed to have any problems with moire, both seemed equally affected by rolling shutter, and the A77 seemed to have better exposure latitude at higher ISOs (although I’m a little curious as to how they got the A77 to shoot video at ISO 3200, since I understand 1600 is the maximum for video). If I were to pick a video DSLR based only on those comparisons, I’d go with the 5D because of its apparent greater sharpness and detail, but I’d really like to see some more-closely-matched comparison clips before deciding.
(BTW, I should note that I’m making my judgments based on viewing the clips full screen at 1080p. With anything less, you’re dealing with YouTube scaling issues more than with what actually comes out of the camera.)