(SR1-SR2) Unbelieveable rumor: Medium format camera from Sony?
Two of my sources sent me info about a “Mystery cam“. But…there is a “but”! But they wanted me to post the rumors with SR1 value only (see bottom of the post to see what it means). This because they got the “feeling” there could be an error inside the info they received. They sent me a few detail about the mystery cam I want to check before to post here. What I can tell you know now is that the camera has a high resolution sensor. From the info I got it looks like it could be a medium format camera a la Leica S2 (Click hee to see that cam).
I post the rumor in the hope some of my other trusted sources can tell me more about that and confirm the specs I got from the other two. Thanks!
And now the question to you. Does it make sense for Sony to make a new Medium Format system? Pentax recently entered the market with the Pentax 645D (Click here to see that cam). With a sub $10.000 price that camera can compete against the high end Canon/Nikon fullframe cameras. Maybe Sony wants to go the same way? And there is also the fact that Kodak Imaging business isn’t doing well. If they stop to make medium format sensor will Sony take over the market? Those are just speculations….for now!
Check out the Pentax 645D specs and price at Amazon, B&H, Adorama, J&R, eBay.
Check out the Leica S2 specs and price at Amazon, B&H, Adorama, J&R, eBay.
Thanks to the two anonymous sources that sent me the info! Let’s hope we can soon figure out what’s the truth behind that story
Reminder (SR = Sonyrumor):
SR1=probably fake rumor
SR2=rumor from unknown sources
SR3=50% chance it is correct
SR4=rumor from known sources
SR5=almost certainly correct!





Daemonius
3 years ago |That would be amazing, especially if Sony would keep their pricing policy (make it better and cheaper than others). Sub 10k USD MF? Wow..
Jesse Lim
3 years ago |If so, I will take two please. =D
icie
3 years ago |Pentax had previous experience in the medium format sector. The 645D was a digital incarnation of the 645 series of film cameras, and was compatible with those older lenses too. So I wouldn’t compare Sony’s situation with Pentax.
Sony would be jumping into a whole new (and pretty competitive, quality-wise, although they could compete effectively in price) market if they did do this, and they would also need to develop a whole new line of lenses. This seems to me to be a bit over-optimistic in terms of their capbilities, keeping in mind they are continuing work on the Alpha line lenses (hopefully), as well as populating the woefully outnumbered E-mount lenses.
Vlad
3 years ago |I think you are underestimating Sony’s capabilities. They have largely the resources and knowledge to create this. In the end it is just another camera with a bigger sensor.
But would they? That’s another question.
Daemonius
3 years ago |Zeiss made and it still making quite a lot of MF lens.
Sony would have no problem.
EE
3 years ago |Kodak closing the sensor production unit makes this rumor plausible.
We already know the most logical alternative to Kodak as FF supplier is Sony, but who else could Leica go to for a MF sensor? This I don’t know. There may be one or two other companies. But if Sony were to make a MF sensor specifically for Leica, the big question is….would Sony bring its own MF to market if it were producing the sensor? And if it did, would it be another “me too” medium format or something altogether different, compact-MF perhaps?
Finally, the timeline of when such a camera would appear, but first a question, when is the next iteration of Leica’s MF camera due? One year from now? Three years away?
Carl
3 years ago |Dalsa is the biggest maker of medium format sensors.
While Sony certainly have the capability to enter the MFDB sensor market, they have shown no interest in doing so…yet.
EE
3 years ago |Medium-Format seems to be the end-all-be-all of still photography, wouldn’t you say? What I’m saying is; there’s nothing really beyond MF…to go beyond MF one would, essentially, need to reinvent the whole photography-game by introducing a completely new and unique piece of tech (entirely new sensor size with unique dimensions and lens format).
That said, I wonder how likely the incentive is for Sony to develop a MF camera even if only for chest thumping “flagship” status (assuming Sony was manufacturing MF sensors for competitors anyway).
Pondering what a Sony MF-camera would “be” is interesting, to say the least.
kmfan
3 years ago |I don’t know if MF is “the end-all-be-all of still photography”. But there is Large Format Photography. Don’t reinvent the wheel, refine it.
Flatbed scanners are also large imaging devices.
Carl
3 years ago |There are also large format scanning backs which can deliver massive resolution and file sizes, although they aren’t very useful on windy days or for photographing things that move.
ChenAlan
3 years ago |Sony has enough problems developing lenses for their current SLR/SLT and EVIL cameras. Don’t spread too thin.
Now if they want to SELL medium format sensors – by all means. Won’t that just mean a larger sensor cut?
PhotoNut
3 years ago |Well, I’d also like to see a large format (LF) digital sensor back. Even if it was not of extremely high resolution. You just cannot compare the image plane size of a 35mm FF film to that of a 4/5 or 8×10 LF film back.
One way to do this may be by building it as a reverse TFT type panel. So instead of generating light it would be absorbing and recording it. The ground glass would be a high resolution LCD on the other side. This time the image would be right side up always.
Problems I can see is that the large size would make it difficult to wire it in a way that allows high speed readout which would be required to process the large amount of image sensor data that would be generated.
John Bowen
3 years ago |It’s plausible.
If they can get a true 56mm x 65mm sensor camera out there for under 10k, Mamiya/Leaf and Pentax will be seriously worried, as their offerings at that price point are utilizing smaller sensors.
I would open a second mortgage on the house for a camera like that, if they were even slightly innovative with their lenses and flash units.
PhotoNut
3 years ago |Fake rumor. I would like this to be true but Sony can’t even create enough demand for its 35mm full frame camera and sensor and now its going to create a medium format camera & sensor which has even less demand?
Do you know how many medium format cameras are sold every year? Hint, its less than sales of new discontinued A700 cameras.
Personally, I’d really like to know how Sony and other DSLR makers manage to keep all their developments secret given that the information is available to 3rd parties like ad agencies, testers , suppliers and contractors.
I have a feeling that Sony authorizes selective “leaks” as part of marketing effort which explains how we even get any information at all.
So if you work at Sony imaging and have any info on full frame Sony DSLR/SLT please let the admin of this site know!
Vlad
3 years ago |“enough demand”?
“Hint, its less than sales of new discontinued A700 cameras.”
Wow, these are some interesting numbers you have there!
RB
3 years ago |Well, I wouldn’t call the S2 a medium format camera… . It’s rather a 24x36plus cam… A toy for dentists and Co which have as much creativity and knowledge of photography as Little Jessy but for whom a CyberShot is below their dignity (Proof: http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=leica+s2&m=tags)
But a real (full-frame) medium format camera… well… this would be extremely interesting…. Would bring Sony to the premium league of camera manufacturers with a broad client base of professional photographers and hardcore amateurs… And with Zeiss, they even have the actual knowledge (calculations) for the MF lenses aboard… Zeiss “just” (famous word) would need to make them available for Sony-MF mount…
Panfruit
3 years ago |Not profitable, not realistic.
Edgars
3 years ago |I think it could be plausible rumor about already mentioned Sony digital backs (in place or Kodak) and not their own system with lenses etc. I think Sony semiconductor have enough competence to make also MF sensors.
Another thing is Sony A9x FF camera coming next year. If on A7x will be with rumored 24 Mpix then on A9x could be with 48Mpix. I think, with price tag 3000USD they could compete against MF cameras e.g. mentioned Pentax 645D.
RB
3 years ago |Resolution is not the (only) reason for medium format. It’s rather the associated focal lengths and field of view. Same holds true for the comparison 24×36 vs. APS-C. The big advantage of the 24 MPx a900 over the 24 MPx a77 is the longer focal lengths required for the same field of view at the former.
emopunk
3 years ago |So they don’t have a semi-pro model, they don’t have a modern FF model on the market, but they are working on a MF thing? Bullshits.
Panfruit
3 years ago |2014 — carved-wax prototype at NAMBL
2016-2018 — transparent almost-done prototype
2020 — A77x released!
mwl
3 years ago |LOL, ZING!
Andy Snapper
3 years ago |I think Sony could well be developing CMOS MF sensors, which could be used by multiple makers including Pentax & Leica and possibly Sony & Nikon!
The Pentax 645D has been a huge success for Pentax, they can’t keep up with demand, wouldn’t it be logical for Sony to enter the high end pro digital stills market, they are in the high end video and cinema market.
Do you think there is a market for a Sony MF body with a +80MP CMOS sensor with Zeiss glass costing less than $10k? I do
Medium
3 years ago |I would buy it….if I would have the money for it
zstan
3 years ago |the depth of field of a 55mm MF lens wide open would be really sweet!
00aeiou00
3 years ago |I dont believe it. The money is in small cameras. If sony went into medium format it would because they bought a company that does it already and just want to stick the sony brand name on it.
Vlad
3 years ago |The money is in DSLRs.
Myst
3 years ago |i doubt sony will try to keep up 3 mounts, i think it’s more plausible for them to take over making MF sensors, and maybe in the future sony will release such a camera, when the lens line-up of E and A mount are up to date.
Carl
3 years ago |Well, Sony have the money and resources to make MF cameras if they really want to, and Zeiss still have all the Contax 645 designs just sitting and gathering dust after Kyocera shafted them, so I wouldn’t rule out the possibility entirely, but having said that it doesn’t sound very likely, given the continuing gaps and deficiencies in both the A and E mounts.
Sony making sensors for medium format cameras makes much more sense. I could see Pentax asking Sony to make them up a custom sensor for their 645D, as it would probably give them a significant edge (especially in terms of high ISO) over their Dalsa and Kodak equipped competition.
David Bateman
3 years ago |I actually see a lot of truth in this. Possibly Sony has been working on this for a long time. There was an off hand comment on Luminous landscape once that a CMOS MF sensor was on the way to allow for Live view. Its possible that the comment over a year ago was actually a sony sensor.
What Sony could offer in the MF domain is really a lot! Live view on MF is what most really want (get rid of the ground glass) what only the new Phase one IQ180 (not yet released or tested promises). Also low noise at high ISO, this may sound odd but the Noise in MF at 1600 is very high. This could become a usable setting with a Sony sensor. What we may loose with a Sony sensor is the great dynamic range, but they may figure this one out.
I would really like to see the rebirth of the Zeiss Contax system with Sony. That would be amazing!
JChristopher
3 years ago |I think MF rumor is an attempt by Sony Executives to determine where the leaks are originating. The source better watch his/her back.
Of course I could be wrong. Sony may just be doing a Market Study to determine if making a MF at a target price would be a good business decision.
Myst
3 years ago |i think Sony are leaking info about future releases to keep people from changing systems, that would be a wise marketing strategy, cause you can’t blame them if they change the final product, cause there is nothing official.
Spoon
3 years ago |“I think MF rumor is an attempt by Sony Executives to determine where the leaks are originating. The source better watch his/her back.”
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My first thought too.
kmfan
3 years ago |This is something i’d love to see. The Leica S2 is only slightly larger than the A900. Keep the OVF, cram stabilization in, A-mount w/o motor to save space, re-release ZA lenses in SSM.
The question Sony want you to answer is “Would you buy one?”
NO, cameras larger and heavier than the A700 is not for me. Looking forward to FF NEX with SSS + ZA SSM.
sgts
3 years ago |sounds like theyre trying to find a leak also – or theyve signed up blues traveller.
my word those leica s2 shots are uniformly awful – is anyone worth a candle actually shooting with these things ?
can leica just not send a few gratis to magnum or something ? Theres just this long list of awfulness in connection with new cameras and who gets to shoot them.
Sahaja
3 years ago |Maybe the S2s are owned by rich orthodontists
Rui Pereira
3 years ago |i doubt… i’d go with a hi-res a9xx that would dominate the FF market both in MP and Price…
maybe the way to domination, is to release the canikon competitors after with a bit more MP and specs and lower price…
Clyde
3 years ago |I’ve always wondered about this since the beginning of Sony/Alpha.
Notice how the a700/850/900 have wider more robust lens mounts compared to the first a100/Minolta style mounts.
See here:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ExcWp57fGgc/R1JjQLSeEGI/AAAAAAAABRY/c0UQkYQicSE/s1600-R/Sony+A700+vs+A100.jpg
This has always led me to believe there were future plans for a wider mouth lens platform and a larger chip design. Of course the new lenses will fit the current cameras, just as FF fits APS and NEX.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see a large format Sony at all. And I’m sure it will accept current lenses albeit in a reduced image size.
How cool if it looked like the old Kowa 66 with interchanging EVF’s…
http://www.mediajoy.com/en/cla_came/KowaSUPER66/index.jpg
snrvl2
3 years ago |i can imagine Sony venturing into large sensors for still photography. they have already a solid name in the professional video world and making large still sensors would be more or less a logical extension.
a whole new MF camera is something different. very few of them are sold, so it would be hard to make it profitable, especially because then they also would have to offer lenses.
perhaps offering digital backs capable of up to 6×7 cm would be a interesting proposition. imagine a Mamiya RZ with a 6×7 digital back….a real (rotating) 645 back that could be fitted to third party cameras could also be interesting, especially if the price is right compared t products already available.
Sky_walker
3 years ago |Well, my best bet for bayonet of such camera is Hasselblad mount due to Zeiss very long term cooperation with Hassel. Other option would be joining Leica S – Leica has. Long history of sharing bayonet with other companies while currently it’s supposed to closely cooperate with Sony semiconductors for getting the sensors for their camera.
Sony making it’s own MF bayonet? Almost impossible, noone would buy it. It’s most likely even that they would try to revive some of dead mounts and make body supporting lenses that are already on the market.
Overall possibility fo MF? I’d say: 1/10 if Sony starts to supply othercompanies with MF sensors.
kmfan
3 years ago |By the way. Is this related to the multi aps-c sensor camera rumor? It would make sense for such a camera to compete with MF digital in size.
Walt
3 years ago |Of course a medium format from Sony would be a SLT design. Cheaper to build and everyone claims EVF is essential in all cameras.
###
3 years ago |Excuse me, sir, but would you care to answer why you spending so much time and effort to show everyone that you are intellectually challenged person driven only by blind hate and prejudice?
EE
3 years ago |No doubt.
Let me preface what I’m about to say with; I do not believe Sony is working on a MF camera, but I think it should and here is why: A reinterpretation of MF would be a bold and hugely profitable move. There are so few MF camera makers, and of those, few are truly compelling–that means this arena is ripe for the picking and would be relatively easy to make big waves in (provided you’re a company with resources like Sony).
A reinterpreted MF camera that is designed to be compact, with an entirely new compact MF lenses–using the latest in camera tech (EVF)—would be a truly 22nd-century flagship camera.
Conceptually, think NEX7 (the pro version of NEX) but in Medium Format and you’ll get an idea of what this could be. Competitors couldn’t and wouldn’t respond. Canikon isn’t in the MF business, hell, they’re barely in the mirrorless business. Sony would be king of the hill for a long while here. It’s worth the PR if for nothing else.
Sahaja
3 years ago |Given the size of the medium format market, it looks pretty crowded – Leaf/Sinar/Rollei (Hy6), Leica (S2), Hasselblad, Mamiya Japan(645DF), Mamiya America, and Pentax – and some specialist systems like Seitz and Alpa
By comparison there only seem to be three companies making “full frame” DSLRs: Canon, Nikon and Sony – and five making APS-C DSLRs: Pentax Canon, Nikon, Sony and Samsung.
The market for full frame and APS-C DSLRs is far bigger than that for medium format cameras.
EE
3 years ago |I guess my biggest point is that rarely is there an industry or market where there’s such a clear and distinct opening for a company to step-in and literally re-define the market in their vision.
I think the Medium Format-space is open for a company to do exactly that.
bleipullover
3 years ago |Medium Format from SONY?
They have exactly zero lenses for a system like that. null, nix, nada.
This is not going to happen.
EE
3 years ago |There were no E-mount NEX lenses before NEX, either. Right?
spam
3 years ago |Medium format from Sony don’t make much sense to me. Sony struggle to get new semipro and full format models out and launching another format now would take a lot of resources.
The only way I can see a medium format Sony is if they buy an existing brand. Contax would work I guess, but they have been out of the market for a while and it’s probably not much left to buy (poeple, tools etc). Anyway, taking over an existing outfit and providing Sony sensors scaled to medium format would really shake up that market.
Sahaja
3 years ago |The Contax name is owned by Carl Zeiss – it was leased out to Yashica/Kyorcea for a while but that was not renewed and the name is back in the hands of Zeiss.
Sahaja
3 years ago |Since Sony are the largest manufacturer of sensors, if they have customers who want medium format sensors willing to pay a price where Sony will make money selling to them, it does not seem unlikely that Sony would manufacture them.
OTOH Sony manufacturing a medium format camera under their own name sounds pretty unlikely.
Sahaja
3 years ago |I guess one possibility is that Sony could produce a medium format digital back or backs and sell it to manufacturers who are already making medium format cameras.
bleipullover
3 years ago |also no need for that. hasselblad, leaf and phaseone is more than enough for a shrinking market like MF.
gigino
3 years ago |It seems a bit like science fiction at first, but there actually is not a medium format system that carry Zeiss lenses.
Yes I know the new hasseblad can wear the hold Hasseblad lenses and some of the defunct Contax 645 are still around, but those do not sell new lenses.
Yet a new MF body with a series of Zeiss lenses it is not too far fetched.
After all a small company (relative to Sony) like Leica could make a sort of medium format reflex and put it on the market with only 3 lenses available.
If sony can produce a 40+ MP MF body that carries Zeiss lenses and sells for about 8 grands it will fly out of the shelves.
We have been buying 8000 dollars 35mm DSLR since 2002, so… not a biggy.
kmfan
3 years ago |Do you still want the reflex mirror? It seems like mirrorless with high-res monitor output is the way to go.
gigino
3 years ago |Probably I do not want the reflex mirror. At the moment i’m also using the a55, along with other reflex cameras I have. Although the EVF is not perfect, it is plenty good and at least for the kind of work I do, it has never been in the way of stopping me of taking the photo that I wanted to.
So if they want to do a MF with EVF, I’m not against it.
On a MF system, the mirror add bulk and may slow down the FPS quite a bit.
gigino
3 years ago |Bleipullover.
Leica, Haselblad, Leaf and Phase are already too much for a shrinking market and at least in the case of Phase Leaf a way of selling products that is over bloated by dealers with overcharged unnecessary services and products.
But that is not the MF market. that is the 10.000 $ and above camera market.
When DSLR were retailing from 12 to 25 thousands USD, they were sold by the hundred per years. Now that are reasonably priced they sell by the hundred of thousands.
When the MF cameras will be sold at a reasonable price, below the 1o grands barrier, they will be sold again in large quantity.
bleipullover
3 years ago |At reasonable prices everything will be sold in a bigger quantity. this isn’t an argument for producing mf cameras or an mf-system.
David Lim Legendary Photography
3 years ago |The reason of companies developing MF and larger digital formats is because film/format/sensor size is KING.
We have reached a point where the digital sensors out-resolved the lenses. Few lens out-resolve 16M at the moment. Although technically companies are still producing sensors with higher and higher resolution, I only get smoothed out blurs. The details are not there. Many Japanese designed and produced lenses have resolution lower than German designed lenses such as Leica and Zeiss. It makes sense for camera manufacturers and Photographers who look for details to head towards larger and larger formats.
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One may say that lens technology could improve and we will see lenses of much higher resolution. Even providing this will be the case, would it not be even more impressive if such super high resolution technology is used on lenses with larger format?
Leo
2 years ago |Sony’s comparative advantage is in making sensors, so making a camera with bigger sensor than its opponents is a clever move, I think Sony is able to make a 56mm*56mm sensor at a much lower cost than most of the opponents, Sony can beat Canon FF cameras easily in terms of resolution.
MF or may be even LF users will be very happy to know that their good old manual focus lenses can get a new life, and seems MF lenses has much less mounts format than 135 lens.
kaptures
2 years ago |I could hardly imagine Sony would want to enter the MF market right now. But I’d LOVE it if they do.
I agree, if they are mf’g MF CMOS for other brands, they’d be much more inclined to sell a camera body or two. I dunno if they can find a way to allow A-mount lenses for reduced image circle. Seems way counter-productive IMHO.
I would dream of true premium Zeiss glass for 42-60MP sensors. A competitor to the Leica S2 and maybe a classic model (like a foldable or rangefinder?).
If Sony figured out how to get the data stream throughput to do upwards of 4.5 fps, SSS in-camera stabilization (maybe), translucent mirror, and GPS geo-tagging. I wonder if Sony would ONLY release one if they come up with some ground-breaking new technology. Could you imagine if they figured out how to use sensor-shift to capture R,G,B from adjoining pixels for VIDEO using the SLT and Exmor ‘R’?
You could have a 48MP MF body that could shoot full 48MP, or composited 16MP with sensor-shift to capture each color in each pixel for stills and video. Make that an Exmor ‘R’ CMOS for low-light. You’d have a game changer that likely would be handheld usable at ISO 1600. If this had DRO, HDR, Pano, wireless remote, wireless flash trigger. Add an articulating 3.5″ 920k-dot touch-screen LCD. Make the body and lenses weather-sealed for landscapes and environmental portraiture. Use USB 3.0 optimization. Offer 2 significant imaging formats for shooting: 30x45mm or 36x36mm square imaging. OMG.
Methinks there are enough people out there that would go berserk for this. Yeah, you’d be utilizing a 45x36mm CMOS sensor, if I had my way. The square would truly optimize the image quality of these superior lenses.
Especially if they figure a way to use any good legacy mount/system. Buy Contax rights (again?)? Didn’t Fuji have a system? Make an agreement w/ someone else. Whatever.
If Sony’s offering could be $32K-ish for body and 2-lens Zeiss Planar kit (maybe: 28mm f/4 landscape and 100/2.5 portrait), I wouldn’t be surprised if they could sell a few thousand kits fairly easily. That could realistically equate to $100+ million USD pretty quickly. Not a bad idea, IF they are already going to mfr sensors for someone else. AND meanwhile, it establishes a premium flagship system to gain attention and keep the Cine/Hollywood types interested in the Sony system for other purposes.
Bugger
2 years ago |They just might.
Cameras and videocams are just about the only division in Sony that’s making anyway headway. They’ve swamped the consumer market, they have experience in the pro market, I don’t see why they should let go of medium format.