(SR3) Will there be a new A600 with optical viewfinder?
The current last announced model with optical viewfinder: The Sony A580
My friend Carl Garrard (Click here) got some interesting tidbits from an “old” source with good reputation. According to him there will be a new A580 DSLR successor. The real big news here is that Sony didn’t give up the Optical Viewfinder cameras: “I was told that for now Sony’s reaction to gathered marketplace demand is to keep traditional and non traditional DSLRS in the fold, but that only two OVF DSLRS would stay in the lineup. Priority is now given to SLT but that OVF are not yet out of the lineup. At least not yet. Apparently this is a pretty sudden switch in strategy, according to him.”
I know the A57 is coming and a source also told me there is one more camera coming too but I don’t know the specs yet. I hope my soruces can confirm soon if that rumor is true or not. I would certainly be happy if it would be correct! Here are the specs Carl got from his source.
- -New body design, similar to A65 in size
- -Larger brighter OVF than the A580 (still penta-mirror, cost savings) at .92x magnification “w/data overlay” @ 97% coverage
- -Similar live view system as the A450 (away goes the second sensor and mechanisms that cost extra money), more traditional main sensor live view with faster contrast detect AF than previous Sony DSLRS, this time for all lenses
- -updated 18.4 mp APS-C CMOS sensor
- -up to 8fps capture with full metering and af capabilities (A580 could do only 5fps with metering/af)
- -same battery as A580, A65, A77
- -new “wide coverage” 15 point AF system (new type with 5 cross type sensors)
- -full 1080p HD video will be included (no specifics on this)
- -Dual card slots (no specifics on type)
- -New pop up flash (not sure how this will work, assume bounce and regular?)
- -Silver and Black model (depending on territory)
- -New quieter mirror box mechanism and shutter
- -First curtain electronic shutter mode
- -Moisture/dust preventive measures (but not moisture or dust resistant)
- -3 custom function buttons
- -Updated Quick Navi Menu interface (assume like A65′s which isn’t true quick navi like A900/etc.)
- -Dual control wheels, rear is scroll and click type
- -Due this year before fall
Let’s cross the fingers!
P.S.: Don’t forget there is a huge Sony announcement day o March 13! The A57 is coming (and maybe NEX stuff too!).
Reminder (SR = Sonyrumor):
SR1=probably fake rumor
SR2=rumor from unknown sources
SR3=50% chance it is correct
SR4=rumor from known sources
SR5=almost certainly correct!
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TheReverend
2 years ago |Please add focus peaking and ill buy it right now
obican
2 years ago |This will work great with my custom made Sony A-Mount to Sony A-Mount male-to-male adapter! I’ll buy one and attach it to my A77!
Olaf
2 years ago |But watch out. You will be using your OVF as a lens. This has only a 97% coverage. So you have to live with an additonal crop.
obican
2 years ago |We asked Sony for more lenses, Sony asks more for lenses.
We asked for more optics, Sony gave us another camera with optical viewfinder.
Are they doing a market research based on Google Translate?
Rob
2 years ago |I just want a high rez replacement for my 850, without a AA filter. If I want a video cam, I’ll pick up a nex 7! Just give me a body that makes best use of the best sensor available!
matt
2 years ago |Nice!! at lest 1 ovf in the mix!! instead of 15 variations of the SLT. but one thing though, its mostly ther full frame shooters who want more the ovf, as the apsc crowd is not as professional and would prefer an easier to use evf that show actual realtime changes in exposure. so this means 4 ff models??
SonyA77
2 years ago |Other than complainers on the Internet, who aren’t “professionals” at all from what I have seen, where is the market research that states that these “professionals” want an OVF?
For all we know, most “professionals” may actually see the benefits of the EVF.
Real professionals are too busy earning money to be worried about the OVF/EVF debate in forums, their camera is just a tool.
Carl
2 years ago |You complain on the internet, and are worried about the OVF/EVF debate. Does that mean you aren’t a “professional” either?
SonyA77
2 years ago |I do not paid for my photography, so therefore I am not a professional and have plenty of time to browse the Internet. I fail to see any point you are attempting to make.
Carl
2 years ago |Then why are you agonising about whether or not people are professionals or not?
SonyA77
2 years ago |I think you need to re-read the thread, you don’t appear to understand the context of my comment. No matter.
Carl
2 years ago |What context? You’ve just offered blanket criticism to everyone who commented positively to the thought of Sony offering an OVF model, without appearing to offer a logically sound rebuttal. All I see you doing is constructing a strawman argument that these boogiemen pretend “professionals” are somehow after something that is adversarial to Sony making money, and dismiss out of hand that a) Sony is quite capable of appealing to more than one market segment at a time, b) some of the people who frequent here actually are professionals, and have online portfolios that can be perused if one is in any doubt on the matter and c) non professionals do actually buy expensive photographic equipment, such as yourself, and thus even if people aren’t pros their preferences still make for a commercial imperative.
pancanikonpus
2 years ago |admin,
can you trace SonyA77 IP from which country? thx
The Lotus Eater
2 years ago |What does SonyA77′s nationality have to do with anything? Besides, why don’t you just ask him?
Oh, and could you post something useful for a change?
SonyA77
2 years ago |@pancanikonpus
You could just ask. It isn’t a secret.
Socratease
2 years ago |@Carl
Thanks for owning a toolkit.
A900 Faithful
2 years ago |Well I am a professional, and this is the sole way I make my living! and I have used the A77 and enjoy many of its features, but I cannot use a OLED finder it sucked in the studio and was slow in response time on location when I do NOT have time to make mistakes. I love everything about my A900s and my lenses. wouldn’t trade them for the world! But if Sony ditches OVF and knowing I dont work well with EVF. Then I see no other option then to move to Nikon or Canon. My plan is to see sony’s new FF and decide then. I would just love an up date to the great work horse A900 just like Nikon did with the d700 to D800. MAKE TWO OVF AND OLED. Let the “pro’s” have an option!
Marek
2 years ago |I have similar experience with A77 but I’m not pro, so it is just OK for me. SONY is not definitely about to release OVF replacement for A900 soon. They know pros are conservative. So they will release A9x with EVF first, see what market response will be and then they decide if it is time to release new OVF FF. So I guess SONY could release new OVF FF in 2015 if ever.
SonyA77
2 years ago |There are always going to be people who do not like the A9x EVF (an EVF that may not even exist yet). The question is, how many?
I doubt it, but Sony may have already done their research and the professionals who don’t like EVF may be a very vocal but never-the-less small minority.
You’ll hear a lot of anti-EVF users on the forums, but you will not hear from the professionals who are just out there taking photographs.
Using forums to gauge the popularity of a feature would be a mistake.
conny
2 years ago |@A900 Faithful
i am not a professional at all and i don’t have a studio but i’d be interested to learn why exactly the EVF fails in the studio and also on location. This is not to challenge you at all, it’s really out of curiosity, since using my A77 i just don’t seem to have a situation where the EVF would fail and the OVF would not. In contrary i’d say that for me as an amateur with the OVF i manage to get more constant results due to focus peeking (even in AFS mode),the smart teleconv, the life preview of aperture changes and the fact that the OVF is somehow showing a brighter image than the OVF of my A350 did. This is why i’d be interested to learn how you came to your findings (which again i do not challenge , i just want to learn from them) .
Sahaja
2 years ago |“I would just love an up date to the great work horse A900 just like Nikon did with the d700 to D800. MAKE TWO OVF AND OLED. Let the “pro’s” have an option!”
Great idea – then they can see which of the two sells best instead of relying on internet “opinion”.
For people brought up looking at LCD screens Sony’s EVF may be good when compared to the penta-mirror OVF in consumer DSLR’s, but the penta-prism in the A900 id at at whole different level.
SonyA77
2 years ago |@Sahaja,
It would make more sense to ask before going through the expense of manufacturing an OVF and EVF model. That’s the point.
Reading a few very vocal comments in forums is not a way to plan the manufacture of a new model.
I said it up ^there^, for all we know the majority of professionals asked might want an EVF. WE don’t know!
SonyA77
2 years ago |Carl, get over yourself. You clearly haven’t understood what was written. Goodbye.
Carl
2 years ago |Yet you never once clarified what it was you were actually trying to say. Le sigh.
SonyA77
2 years ago |I don’t feel the need to clarify anything for YOU.
Carl
2 years ago |Shucks.
Mr M
2 years ago |This shifting of strategy is creating alot of confusion. I think they just focus on one. To be a game changer, they should focus on their hybrid or getting a fullframe NEX out.
But for the OVFs purists, this would be good news to them.
A900 Faithful
2 years ago |@Conny,
Thanks for stating that you don’t want to challenge my opinion. I find this site to be filled with some relatively negative people who are less then helpful and somewhat rude.
Here’s whats up. when using the EVF in a studio which is dark the EVF shows very little of what my natural eye can. Most portraits I shoot are at ISO 100 shutter between 60-200 and Fstop 4-8 mostly 5.6 when I set that on an A77 its black because the camera knows that its too dark for a proper exposure. I know that when my strobes fire my lighting will be perfect. I cant frame my shot if I cant see it.
also when shooting out side my eye reacts to changing light better the sonys EVF will. when looking and moving through a viewfinder its basically just like looking through a window. were the A77 will get really hot spots or dark shadows. It also strains my eye, and I feel disconnected from my subject. Also as a wedding and event photographer I’m constantly looking up from my camera and giving directions to my clients and then moving back to my view finder. that split second lag it takes for the camera to turn on the EVF throws me off.
Also remember the OVF from the A900 and the A350 are a world apart.
Hope this helps!
DchB
2 years ago |@ A900 Faithful,
I read your reply to Conny, and thought I may be able to help you a little with the EVF problem in the studio setting. I am a retired pro, and have been very interested in the direction that SONY is taking. I have tried to keep an open mind toward the new technology. Personally, I also prefer the OVF as compared to the EVF.
However, recently I tried out the a65 and found that in order to use it and the a77 in the studio, you have to dive into the MENU and bring up the display effects. They can be turned off, and then it is usable in manual mode. In my studio, I shoot at f11 for 1/60 and this is very doable when the display effects are turned off, and the EVF does not go very dark. Give it a try, as I have been considering the a77 myself, but am waiting for the release of the FF bodies, and then will make a decision which I want to throw my money at.I hope this is helpfull to you and Conny both.
conny
2 years ago |@DchB and @A900
thanks to both of you,
interesting info you provided. I learned something
conny
2 years ago |@A900
thanks for explaining it to me. (and yes i agree with you on the partly rude tone ..)
yup that helps, will try it once i’m back to my A77
..but now there’s a new question nagging me (sorry) :
When do/should use a studio that is so dark ? Wouldn’t one just switch on a normal ambient light source (i guess a studio has a normal “lamp” mounted on the ceiling as any other normal room has too ) . that lamp should be bright enough to have some usable image on the EVF but not too bright to pollute the light temperature for the picture.
A900 Faithful
2 years ago |@ Conny & DucH
Alright, I see your point, but when I’m trying to produce soft dramatic portraits I only use the light coming from the ring on my studio lights that produce a soft warm light. The darker setting makes it more intimate for my couples and doing the ever so trendy Boudoir photoshoots.
that aside It really feels strange to me looking through a EVF, I know I’m not alone in this.
DchB I have no interest in working with the APC sized senor. its just not what I do.
scorche
2 years ago |I was quite reluctant to take on the EVF of a77 especially after seeing the EVF of an a55. But once I started using the a77 it only took little time to start using the rear LCD. I find that I’m doing more shooting using that than the EVF. Also the peaking feature and microfocus adjustment and enlarging to pixel level for focus confirmation have been very helpful in a studio setting.
I do wish though that the switch between the display effects on/off were easier/quicker to access.
Solo
2 years ago |I’m not sure why A900 pro didn’t also mention that simply turning on an ambient light source that is NOT the modeling lights on your strobes will take away the visual accuracy of your modeling lights. Also, in this proposed case where the EVF is simulating exposure, ambient room lighting is still nowhere near bright enough for someone shooting in a studio at iso100-200 F/8.
The only lights that should be on in a studio at any given time are the strobes and their accompanying modeling lights- excluding places like picture people and the like that don’t really give a damn about very specific and complex lighting combos/ratios
SonyA77
2 years ago |I turn off the EVF exposure simulation in the studio. No point using it with studio flash, you’ll just get a dark EVF!
zstan
2 years ago |whoaaa.. sounds like a competitor for the a77!!! maybe i should just hold my orders now and see what sony has to offer again.
MCP
2 years ago |OVF purists, you mean about 85% of the DSLR market then.
People like you have to be some sort of astroturfing campaign, you all sound the same.
end of line.
Zstan
2 years ago |Did I even mention anything about EVF or OVF??? @@
MCP
2 years ago |@ Mr. M not you
Andrew
2 years ago |Anyone wanna buy my a77?
雜草
2 years ago |Sony would be very unlikely to launch yet another traditional DSLR camera IMO.
After all, for a newcomer(sort of), it just not a good idea to competite with the big two while standing on their territory.
There’s no reason keep fishing in this “red sea”, for me ,Sony’s move is right, SLT is a new thing, people will accept it someday.
ageha
2 years ago |It will be gone sooner than you think.
Denis
2 years ago |SLT is the stupidiest thing sony could introduce and develop. Drop this crap, put efforts into mirroless — this is the only right approach nowdays.
Sahaja
2 years ago |@雜草 “people will accept it someday.”
“Someday” is probably not good enough.
Anyway isn’t SLT an evolutionary dead-end? – Once there is good on-sensor phase detect auto focus (or someone comes up with an algorithm that will produce fast contrast detect auto focus) – then what’s the point of SLT?
passer-by
2 years ago |If that is the case, OVF also would lose its point of existence.
ageha
2 years ago |Only one sensor? Damn…
saiman
2 years ago |I welcome the decision… better late than never.
I’ll miss the PDAF live-view though. No matter how much Sony claims that their CDAF is good, from what I see in NEX 5n, their CDAF algorithms are not fast enough compared to that of Olympus, let alone for replacing PDAF.
However, I’ll be very much excited about the new 18mp sensor and the dual-dial button layout… it sounds all too good to be true.
ageha
2 years ago |The PDAF live-view in their dual sensor SLRs is great!
passer-by
2 years ago |Yeah… as if it uses PDAF. Oh, it does use PDAF.
Roy
2 years ago |I Love You Sony if you will release this model!!!
EcoR1
2 years ago |If this is true, then Sony has no idea what they are doing. With a-mount they should concentrate on SLT-technology only and give up flip-flap mirrors completely. This is very bad sign for investors, and tells a story that Sony can’t keep their focus. Very bad news indeed.
Atlasman
2 years ago |EcoR1
I agree that if Sony releases an OVF camera, they are unsure of their SLT strategy and are trying to straddle both sides of the fence.
The OVF business is owned by the big two—and nothing is going to change that save for one revolutionary technology. OVF technology is in the twilight of its life-cycle and should be left to play-out and die.
Sony should focus on mirrorless systems.
Wheelus
2 years ago |Rumor says that this is an optical viewfinder with a penta mirror.
Sahaja
2 years ago |Camera companies need “pro” flagship models used by high visibility “pros” – purchasers of consumer level interchangeable lens camera want to feel they are buying into a system use by professionals.
Now getting pros to switch to Sony from Canon or Nikon is not easy. If, for whatever reason, many of them don’t like an EVF and prefer an OVF, give it to them. Don’t make “EVF only” a reason for them not to consider Sony.
Sony already have a great OVF in the A900 – it is not as if it is going to take up serious R&D resources for them to keep producing a full-frame OVF camera alongside an EVF model.
bas076
2 years ago |Sounds like ones more Sony tries to give some thing good, but making only half step for it in marketing reason. May be in some unknown future Sony will go full steps bringing new cameras. Will see…
MCP
2 years ago |That is unless they could sell some optical viewfinder cameras to their customers who have been asking for them. Yeah, lets not build something we get requests for, doing that would mean more sales and that would be a dumb idea.
end of line.
AnegaTanega
2 years ago |I might begin crying…!
MCP
2 years ago |Why cry? A good cry I hope you mean. I’d weep as I pulled my wallet out and pre-ordered it asap.
end of line.
AnegaTanega
2 years ago |Oh, yes, I’d be absolutely happy!!! Fuck SLT, I only want to take photographs, not videos…!
Let’s hope it will have 2 wheels and the micro lens regulation… Am I dreaming?!?
SonyA77
2 years ago |How does what you look through prevent you from taking photographs?
AnegaTanega
2 years ago |Oh, my A580′s 6400 ISO sport shots could be a sufficient reason to avoid the slt…
I’m a bit traditionalist…
SonyA77
2 years ago |So in other words, the EVF doesn’t prevent you from taking photographs…
If you knew how to post-process you wouldn’t need to worry about 6400 ISO on a SLT.
thundersha
2 years ago |YES! I want new DSLR!
maybe SONY should make A860 – cheap FF DSLR(without liveview) as well!
SonyA77
2 years ago |Yup and the moon is made of cheese!
Claus
2 years ago |I would buy it. And a company like Sony is clearly big enough to provide both systems, optical viewfinder and electronic. Or they give Zeiss the possibility to built an updated Alpha 900 as a “CONTAX”.
SonyA77
2 years ago |Then buy the A850.
Mike/Canada
2 years ago |Sonya77 you like to make smart ass remarks to people and then turn off the reply button, your such an ass!
O and by the way I am a pro, yet your fanboy antics here draw a line between the two-novice and pro, and I don’t understand why? Like one persons money is more important than any others! Just shut the fuck up!
I’ve been shooting with Minolta for over 7 years all the while forgoing a perdem spending allowance if i used Nikon or Canon.
You call people whiners if there is anything at all they don’t like about the camera you are in love with.
So tell me fanboy, will you be changing your name when the new body comes out?
O by the way I don’t turn off my reply MR Sonya77, so let’s hear your reply jackass.
SonyA77
2 years ago |Turn off the reply button? The reply button disappearing is a problem with the fixed width of the comments section and nothing to do with me. FAIL.
Solo
2 years ago |you are being a cunt. please stop.
Cliff
2 years ago |I don’t get why some people are sooooo shocked that Sony “might” build a new SLR camera.
Why is that so devistating? Pelicle mirrors are an auto focus functon. That’s it. It’s a cool thing but wooop deeee doooo! It’s not the be all, end all of photography.
Jeesh,…its kinda like how we felt when we first found out that Santa Clause and the Tooth Fairy didn’t exist.
It shouldnt be that heart breaking folks!
Dave Cox
2 years ago |Don’t like the language but sadly the comment is too true!
SonyA77
2 years ago |Only because you’ve been spanked here before Dave.
merci sony
2 years ago |Would be lovely with the ergonomics of the a65 or a A750 similar with the A77 with the traditional slr technology would be even better Sony..less fps but improved iso perfs, traditional viewfinder
Ray Oody
2 years ago |Well do u think the new NEX F3 will be better than the 5n or not ???
kinki
2 years ago |A600 is absolutely unnecessary unless they made something like A750 or A950.
a900
2 years ago |A updated traditional DSLR technology Full Frame a950 is what I am waiting for using with exiting a900′s equipments is a must!
Sony – Make Believe.
poke
2 years ago |That would be awesome. I am ready to preorder. And to Cliff, What do you mean there is no Santa Claus?
Archer66
2 years ago |If Carl is the source then this should be SR1
z bolton
2 years ago |+1
Barbarous Waytel
2 years ago |Carl Garrard is an attention seeking clown. He has a long history of hyperbole reviews, pathetic April 1 jokes that he denied were jokes for hours.
I am disappointed SAR admin would take someone like Carl Garrard seriously.
To your credit, you just gave him “3″ on SAR rating. Though it should have been 2 or 1 though.
MCP
2 years ago |Barbarous- he’s not even convinced this is true, he states that in the rumor several times. I don’t know what to think of this but I do see enough replies here that seem to want an OVF DSLR- whether it’s a rumor or not, it’s certainly interesting.
end of line.
SonyA77
2 years ago |A handful of comments on a rumour site don’t equate to the huge number of sales required though.
Matt
2 years ago |Complain, complain, complain…
Where are all those who were begging Sony to come out with something like this, then when there are rumours of it, everyone thinks it sucks.
Everything’s amazing and nobody’s happy.
Where are all the high ISO lovers? Hmmm?
God I hate the comments on photography sites… But like a car crash I have to take a peek
MCP
2 years ago |Huge number of sales like the A100, A700, A900, and all the other OVF cameras? You mean like those? Why wouldn’t A700 upgraders look at this camera- all I see is them going to Nikon, Canon, and even Pentax to get a camera with an optical viewfinder, because they have no other choice.
Or maybe that’s what Sony wanted, flush out the intelligent demanding enthusiast consumer so they could focus on the weak, easy to please, dumplings that would buy whatever crap they concocted in the hopper.
They’ve been doing exactly that since the A700 and A900 sales didn’t give them supreme dominance in the DSLR category.
end of line.
poke
2 years ago |Human nature, dude. We are never happy. However, I would be very happy for a new Sony FF.
emopunk
2 years ago |Too good to be true. Let’s hope they’re seriously working on a great FF model. Just imagine how many potential customers they’ll lose in the upcoming months with D800 and 5D MarkIII (or whatever it’ll be called) on the shelves.
Carl
2 years ago |I can totally imagine Sony offering a solitary SLR just to keep the purists from jumping ship (though many probably already have), it’s not like they’ve suddenly forgotten how to make them or something. I’d assume they still have the tooling.
The problem is it’ll probably be a too lowly speced body with no focus adjust, one scroll wheel, 1/4000 shutter, plastic chassis and no whether sealing, and end up making no one happy. Sony aren’t lacking in good intentions, but…
Camaman
2 years ago |Stupid Sony, always the same mistake. Too many models flooding the market…
conny
2 years ago |..well to me that’s no surprise at all. Sony does this in almost all their consumer product lines . Buy a TV, a PSP, a DSC cam, a Video cam, a Blue-Ray player, whatever .. 6 months later there won’t be any updates for your device but rather a new piece of hardware would be released by Sony that has the new features. Don’t get me wrong , i do own and like Sony products but when i choose one i make the choice consciously based on the current features and behavior and do not believe in any future free enhancement coming from Sony. Actually there is one exception in their consumer products line-up: the PS3 … unbelievably they do support this for more than 6 months already
SonyA77
2 years ago |Indeed!
The problem with premium compacts and dSLRs is that people still believe them to be something different from what they actually are, a consumer item. It borders on a kind of snobbery.
I bought the A77 fully aware that in a years time there may be a A78 announced. No big deal, it’s what Sony do and I know Sony.
poke
2 years ago |SonyA77,
How do you like the 77. I know the SLT has to provide one of the quickest and accurate focus systems. Great for sports. What is the color and image quality like?
Very interested because I am 90% in with Sony , but want FF. I have 850 at this time and feel its a really good camera, but looking for better performance.
Sahaja
2 years ago |The SLT may be “great for sports” and similar subjects – but sports photography isn’t everything.
Anyway most pro sports photographers – or the companies that employ them – are already heavily invested in Canon or Nikon systems and it would take a huge leap in performance, along with a truly comparable range of the lenses they use, to get many of them to switch. They would also need to be convinced that Sony was committed, over the long term, to supporting their needs. That kind of confidence isn’t built overnight – it could take decades.
With the A900 / A850, excellent cameras at a good price point, and a small number of Zeiss lenses, Sony did lure a few pros and enthusiasts in other fields of photography from other systems.It may not have been as many as Sony hoped, but they need to build on that, not alienate those users.
a900
2 years ago |That is a wonderful news!!!
I really can’t wait for an upgrade Full Frame a950 with OVF tech !!!
Sony should listen to people who buy their DSLR camera and stuff, after all it’s where Sony get the money from!
Keep up the good work Sony!
OVF Rules!
SonyA77
2 years ago |I don’t think Sony will listen to the small, but very vocal, number of complainers on the Internet.
a900
2 years ago |…’small’ !!! Where have you been !!!
There was a huge debate on the internet while back that Sony’s SLT may not last as Canon tried it and failed. The a77 have too many bugs that needs updating more than often, perhaps the a77 came out far too early ?
OVF is staying, Canon & Nikon have decided NOT to go down as the same route at Sony’s SLT tech, only Point & Shoot.
A dangerous situation for Sony to spend all the money, only time will tell.
SLT is for video not still camera.
SonyA77
2 years ago |Like I said, small, but very vocal. The rest are out enjoying their cameras and taking photographs.
a900
2 years ago |…and the rest is from this world isn’t small! lol!
Not aiming at you pal!
conny
2 years ago |+1 “enjoying their cameras”
absolutely enjoying my A77, great tool once you know how to use it.
Also i believe that OVF sooner or later will go down the same path than Mid-Format cams: they become tools of a small , very professional and focused group of users but not mass market. Whether Sony can establish in that pro-market i am not sure, there is more to that than just another FF body, (ww support network, exchange, etc) . IN the end SOny will take the path that is the most economically promising for them , if that means to loose 10000 really professional users but sell another million of A11 SLT kits at 350 USD , well i can’t say i’d like that but i could understand the financial decision very well.
SonyA77
2 years ago |@conny
Wow somebody else here understands the economics of running a business too. I was feeling a bit lonely here.
poke
2 years ago |I don’t think we will see that. I hope I am wrong.
SonyA77
2 years ago |Admin, please refer to your own rating system.
This is a “SR1=probably fake rumor”
john
2 years ago |CG=SR0
CG is just drumming up traffic to his blog….
AGAIN
Master Control
2 years ago |Yes John, you are very bright. The idea of a blog is not to drive any traffic to it now? LOL what are you doing here then? Stupid dipshit!
What proof do you have in this case that he didn’t get a contact or has had a contact in the past?
It’s a rumor dipshit, look that definition up. It’s a pretty simple concept, he’s just relaying the rumor apparently at the request of the sender. You and a few others on this article are a bunch of total ding dongs.
end of line.
Spoon
2 years ago |Assuming there really IS another source, besides CG.
Master Control
2 years ago |Argument works both ways bub. How do we know you don’t astroturf for Sony bub? How does it feel to be assumed to maybe be this or that eh?
Problem with your mentality is that you incinuate someone is guilty before being proven innocent. I take his words at face value, he got info, he was hesitant to share it, its a rumor.
What harm does a rumor do? There are websites all over with tons of them, I dont see you complaining about them- in fact you are participating on one right now.
Assuming and hypocritcal too- ouch.
end of line.
Spoon
2 years ago |It’s not just someone, it’s Carl.
Spoon
2 years ago |PS, where do you see me complaining? Just pointing out what’s obvious to me.
For example, when SAR posted the first pictures of the latest cameras and everyone and their mothers screamed “obvious fakes”, I applauded SAR for having genuine scoops too.
So you might want to do a little more research before assuming. Sofar the majority of your posts here consists of complaints about others. Which covers your attempt to make a point about hypocricy nicely aswell.
Marek
2 years ago |I do not believe this rumor. SLT and APS-C is good combination and I do not see why SONY would return to SLR. I own A77. I have some objections to EVF but in APS-C body it is OK. FF is a different story. But it remains to be seen what direction SONY will take after they release first FF SLT.
SonyA77
2 years ago |I think we should all wait until the A9x is released before passing judgement.
Wheelus
2 years ago |Again, my reading of this is that it IS an SLT.
poke
2 years ago |Marek,
Why do you think it will not work FF or not sure?
Sonyalphalab
2 years ago |If it is true, it’s a smart move IMO. The SLT’s suck in a dark studio environment and the a580 was a dream. They need atleast 1 reasonable priced SLR for Sony Studio photogs on a budget!! The a580 was the only option.
SonyA77
2 years ago |The A77 certainly does not “suck in a dark studio environment”, it is FAR superior to the A700 OVF in a studio!
Marek
2 years ago |Dark studio is not necessary at all. You can keep ambient light on.
SonyA77
2 years ago |The EVF is better than an OVF in a dark studio. On my A77 I can see to focus long after it is too dark for my A700 OVF.
Marek
2 years ago |It is true for framing. But noise is so bad it is difficult to select best moment.
SonyA77
2 years ago |But with an OVF you see NOTHING.
Marek
2 years ago |Well but it is still better to keep ambient light on and then there is no benefit of EVF over OVF.
SonyA77
2 years ago |Indeed, but it was sonyalphalab that was complaining of the SLT “sucking” in a dark studio, which is odd because the OVF on the A580 is tiny and dark
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poke
2 years ago |You are correct. Many of my friends that are professional portrait/studio photographers shot with adequate light for EVF. The light meter will give you all the necessary settings and the ambient light is more than enoughh for foucus and composing the shot.
SonyA77
2 years ago |Correct! The voice of reason! I don’t understand why a studio would be so dark that you couldn’t see to compose anyway, people would be stumbling around in the dark…
Although I switch off exposure simulation in the EVF I actually compose my studio shots now using the LCD anyway, it’s much easier to flip out and angle the screen than to bend down and squint through the EVF.
Spoon
2 years ago |If the A580 interest is a clue, this is a definite fake. Just check out the statistics for all these cameras on Dpreview.
Master Control
2 years ago |It’s a rumor you dipshit! You waxing factualities of a rumor is cramping my stomach in laughter, you are pathetic. I see you are posting shit there and here to do what exactly? You’re an idiot.
end of line.
Spoon
2 years ago |Need a hug “MCP”?
Zinger Z
2 years ago |Funny!
Spoon
2 years ago |Your edit was too slow.
If you have a problem with critical posts, file a complaint in three fold. I might give it a look one day.
Oh and try glasses. It’s not a scarf.
SonyA77
2 years ago |Leave MCP alone, he’s my toy to play with.
end of line.
Marek
2 years ago |SONY should improve quality of firmware. They should also improve signal to noise ratio by at least 3dB to match top cameras of other vendors and do not sell such chips to Nikon!
Yeahhh
2 years ago |If this one supports sweep-panorama, GPS, better noise reduction and get rid of the lacky GUI, this one is on my watch-list.
SonyA77
2 years ago |I don’t understand the laggy GUI comments, it’s quick enough for me and I haven’t lost a shot because of it.
conny
2 years ago |It’s pure psychologics: People see more of what they WANT to see.
Example: Buy a new car, suddenly you start seeing plenty of cars exactly the same than yours. Or , your wife get’s pregnant, suddenly there are pregnant girls all around you.
This works the same way on seeing “bad” or negative things: If you focus on them you’ll see only those. Does that make your life better ? Not at all, it makes you an unhappy being, living in the “wonderful past” or “unimaginably nice future” but not NOW .
So people read about “laggy gui” then they switch on the A77 on display in the Best-Buy store around the corner and there you go, they are right, yipeee yeahhh, it’s laggy because they have to wait 0,2 seconds longer (compared to what actually ?) on the next menu tab to open. The fact that this is absolutely unimportant in order to shoot a nice picture is not obvious to them anymore. Same about the loooong time to switch the cam off: Damn what the hell has this to do with taking a good picture ?
Buying the same golf clubs than Tiger Woods doesn’t make you a golf pro.
Wheelus
2 years ago |I agree with your points here. For instance, why does anyone complain about how long it takes to turn the camera off. If you are turning it off, it is off. Unless you have obsessive compulsive disorder, I guess.
monkeyfacemcbride
2 years ago |they complain because you should switch the camera off before changing lenses. If it takes longer to switch off, it takes longer to change lenses. Its not that unreasonable.
As for the laggy GUI, its there, get a 700 or 900 or even a 55 and 77 put them side by side and play with the controls, its not psychological, its not fantasy, its fact…so much so that Sony, by their own admission, have already had one stab at fixing it, did they imagine it too?
UI speed matters to photographers as when your operating with your eye consistently to the eye-piece and you need to EV compensate by 1 1/3 stops you know that its x clicks of the wheel to the setting you desire, you quickly move the wheel x clicks, quickly glance at the EV comp display in the EVF and it says you’re two clicks short because its still updating, you double check and its now saying the correct value, now you can take the shot but the subject has move out of frame. If you’ve got all day you can live with it, if you’re doing sport or wildlife it can be a distraction.
SonyA77
2 years ago |You don’t need to switch off the camera to swap lenses.
conny
2 years ago |@monkeyfacemcbride
thanks for the explanation of why a delay may impact a pro , makes sense now.
There’s one thing i need to comment though since it seems you misunderstood my posting: When i say “it’s pure psychologics” it did not at all say that there is no lag or that it’s fantasy.
What i meant is that people who WANT to see negative things (facts) tend to see more and more of those and forget that it might be better to focus their attention to the positive aspects.
I do admit that there is a lag but i challenge the negative impact and encourage to better focus on positive effects of an EVF.
monkeyfacemcbride
2 years ago |@Conny
My apologies, I did indeed misunderstand the comment in your post, thanks for the correction.
@SonyA77
No its not essential but it is wise. I often dont bother to switch off when changing lenses, but I should.
Solo
2 years ago |SonyA77 I’m sorry you are unable to understand why the A77 is not the perfect camera for everyone. Quite honestly you have beef with anyone who thinks its not the fucking god of all digital cameras.
I am a pro who currently works with the a850/900 and I have tried the A77. Personally I don’t have qualms with the EVF but the interface IS LAGGY. IT IS SLOW. IT IS NOT 100%. If you don’t understand or comprehend the difference in response time between the A77 and other alpha SLRs then quite honestly I think you’re a fucking dumbass or just being a twat- likely both. You are being an insane fanboy and embarrassing yourself.
The delay IS ANNOYING for instance if I am shooting pics during an event with constantly changing lighting, going from detail shots to group shots to candids to strobe-lit to ambient, etc, switching between it all quickly. I don’t like waiting after I’ve made the physical adjustments to see the visual feedback in the camera and simply HOPE that I did the right number of clicks to get to the setting desired. I WILL turn the camera off occasionally during events to save battery life but if something starts to happen, I want to be able to switch it on and SHOOT IT, not WAIT seconds for it to fucking start up, or to finish shutting down THEN start up. Why is that so hard for you to understand?
I think its absolutely fantastic that the A77 is the perfect camera for you and that nothing about it bothers you but please pull the giant fork out of your asshole and realize that it IS NOT PERFECT for everyone.
SonyA77
2 years ago |Give one example where I have said the A77 is perfect? Oh wait, you can’t.
REVENGE
2 years ago |Rumors be rumors, but I call bull.
What a shopping list fantasy of a camera.
sonyboy68
2 years ago |Stop Admin to post idiot rumors ! Thank you!
Sony is turn to the future and no the past !
Master Control
2 years ago |What the hell are you trying to say? Buy rosetta stone and learn english you twip.
end of line.
Mike1
2 years ago |Good news. OVF plus focus peaking on live view is all I need. Hope it would be implemented on the upcoming FF.
a900
2 years ago |Ditto!
Marek
2 years ago |Focus peeking is not fully usable while shooting MF for example people. It needs high contrast to work. It can’t fully replace magnification view.
Michal
2 years ago |Why in A65-like body? I need this in A77 body!
The Lotus Eater
2 years ago |I’m skeptical of the following specs:
* Pentamirror OVF (97% coverage / 0.92x magnification) – that’s larger than the A700.
* 18.4MP sensor – why? This isn’t used in any other existing camera. Are Sony making a unique sensor for one specific OVF model which will likely sell far less than EVF equivalents?
* 8fps w/ metering and AF – That’s pretty clever for this level of OVF camera. How much will this camera be?
* Dual control wheels – yet Sony felt no need to put this on the A65.
SR3 is highly optimistic. If this rumour had come from anyone other than OVF obsessive Carl “Ulterior Motive” Garrard, I might be a little less skeptical. Sorry, but I just don’t trust the guy.
Master Control
2 years ago |Interesting, and at least you sound intelligent in your reply (few here do). Tell me though, as ignorant to this guy as I am, what ulterior motive does he have, and what proof of that do you have?
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Neo NiGHTS ®
2 years ago |Too good to be true.
Why would Sony develop a new 18.4mp sensor only for this camera?
Why would Sony, for the first time, put 2 control wheels on a ‘lesser’ body?
Sony has always praised that their way of doing liveview (with the extra sensor) was the best. Why would they drop it? ‘Cutting costs’ doesn’t really convince me.
Sony MAY really release a solo OVF camera to please purists, but I hardly believe those specs.
I wish I could bite my tongue, though.
kybel
2 years ago |I think that Nikon and Pentax would use Sonys new 18Mpix sensor too. second live view is useless, I prefer to use live view using main sensor
SonyA77
2 years ago |What would Nikon and Pentax use it in though? There are no new cameras on the horizon from either manufacturer to justify the replacement for the excellent 16mpix sensor.
YOUR preference is sensor live-view, it doesn’t make any alternative “useless”.
Neo NiGHTS ®
2 years ago |I believe Nikon will use the 24mp sensor for their D400. Nex 7 has proved that the 24mp isn’t all that bad people claimed to be.
Nikon putting their magic hands on it will produce even better results.
Pentax COULD be a client but… AFAIK, they’re not sure wheter continue with Sony or go back to Samsung (would be a shame, really).
As Seeky said below, it’d make sense an 18mp sensor if Sony already decided to use it on the upcoming A57.
And even if the second live view is ‘useless’ as you say, it was one of Sony’s MSP for their liveview cameras. (or so they thought)
SonyA77
2 years ago |I didn’t say it was useless. kybel did!
kybel
2 years ago |Nikon could use that sensor for D3100/D5100/D7000 successor
Neo NiGHTS ®
2 years ago |@SonyA77 – Yes, I know. But I replied on the wrong thread. No worries
SonyA77
2 years ago |The comments section formatting ain’t easy!
Denis
2 years ago |Fuji is one. It’s about 1.5-2 stops better in lowlight than D7000 or Pentax K-5.
Sahaja
2 years ago |According to Nikon Rumours, Nikon are expected to introduce three more DSLRs this year – probably D3100, D7000 and D300s replacements (all APS-C DSLRs). I’d expect Pentax to introduce one or two more APS-C cameras this year as well. You think all of these will use sensors in currently available cameras?
Seeky
2 years ago |An 18MP sensor sounds logical, besides that I didn’t hear/read anything about it. Why not putting it in the A57 instead of the 16MP sensor? It should perform equally, noise-wise.
I’m starting to get convinced now that Sony listens to their customers, first the A57 and now the A600….if its true….
Adi
2 years ago |It’s not true.100% fake.
Master Control
2 years ago |First of all its a rumor ding dong, second what source do you have that would prove the “rumor” fake?
He’s relaying a rumor told to him, funny how rabid peeps like you have some fascination with degrading others or proving them wrong. Talk about hypocritical.
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SonyA77
2 years ago |“funny how rabid peeps like you have some fascination with degrading others or proving them wrong.”
Now there’s irony.
MCP
2 years ago |You mean like you are attempting to do right now? The only thing ironic here is your constant defense of those who are defending a defensive camera company- you want irony, there’s nothing better than what you are displaying.
end of line.
SonyA77
2 years ago |MCP = Busted. Oh and the “end of line” makes you look a pratt.
Nightingale
2 years ago |I think the main problem with this new camera is, that it is too poorly featured.
A OVF with pentaprism ??
Is this to show people, hey look if we take a bad OVF it is worse than an EVF ??
Please Sony if you do a camera like this, then make a A700 with new electronics and do not give us a low budget camera. If you only want to make a low/mid range camera with OVF, save the time and develop something else. I don’t need it.
Adi
2 years ago |Deleted
Master Control
2 years ago |Ditto to your reply. We can do this all day.
end of line.
itev
2 years ago |With or without mocro-focus adjustment ?
hanugro
2 years ago |Nice, IMHO, Sony should keep at least 1 FF dSLR and maybe 1 APS-C dSLR before they could go completely mirror-less with A-mount. I think in 5-10 years all A-Mount camera will be mirror-less.
They can also give us hybrid dSLR/SLT that move up the translucent mirror in single shoot/mimicking mirror lock-up situation in the mean time.
pancanikonpus
2 years ago |Sony chicken!
lol…
Roy
2 years ago |I would have bought the a580 but it lacks the ease of use in the a700. I would really love the dual dials and the dedicated buttons on a DSLR. Nikon had the d300s and d7000. Canon has the 7d and 60d. It would be nice if sony has the a77 and the a600 even if the latter is plastic rather than the magnesium body of the a77.
Nobody
2 years ago |I hope that if Sony ever releases new OVF models they’ll be a700 and a900 replacements with magnesium alloy body, weather sealings, two control wheels, same quick navi and menu system, AF micro adjustements, live view, tilting LCD screen, at least same size or bigger OVF (for a700 replacement), same battery as a700/a900, accepts a700/a900 vertical grip (not a must, but would be nice), up to 16MP (APS-C) or 24MP (FF)… Well, I’d preoder such a700 replacement instantly even if its more expensive than a77.
Cliff
2 years ago |What? No phase detect AF?
Is Sony joking?
How does one take pictures without it? I was just starting believe Sony’s marketing on how vital the translucent mirror was to my AF and my pictures.
My world is falling apart and I’m so confused now.
I’m going to buy the new camera and just live with all my out of focus shots.
Lol
Zstan
2 years ago |Sonya77 calm down!!! This is just a SR3 rumour!!! Why get so hyped up?? Even if this camera is released it does not affect
Your a77 in anyway!
SonyA77
2 years ago |I am perfectly calm, or do you wish to censor comment that you may not agree with?
Adi
2 years ago |To much noise…Read here:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1037&thread=40643212
Admin, this should be downgraded to SR1, I think.
Douglas Grillo
2 years ago |I´m think Sony do not have a clear strategy is shooting all over places to see if something hit, so many bodies cannibalizing itself? Sony really sucks in firmware fix and updates they prefer create new cameras before improve existing ones, this is something that never like about Sony, this happen as general rules in all Sony products no only cameras, a new Pro FF camera is a must!, Nex lenses is a must! Firmware updates a must!.
Cheers
butch
2 years ago |i see a 900 and 600 with OVF as a great plan as not all want to adopt the SLT (its good tec from what i understand)
you gotot give old hats a bridge and not run them off to the other 2 cam makers
i for one love the thought of the 600 as i wanted to pick up a 580 to replace my 330 but the funds are not here right now (building a30k work shop killed my budget)
i had said before the cheap route for the next 2 cames woudl be make the A77 body into a SLT FF and take the 900 body and simply update it to the 36-40mp and duel boinz (think of the pixil binning that could be done at 40mp for low light but still 10mp image
Gunnar
2 years ago |i think they forgot to mention it will have iso in the millions
and of course Sony is ingenious to fit a large coverage OVF in the tiny hump design of the A65… i’d say its more an SR 5 especially as Sony always proves to stick to their “we have no clue what to do next” strategy 
anyhow i could’nt care less.. mirrorless is the future!
Cliff
2 years ago |Just gimme an A77 without the mirror and a 16 or 18mp sensor and I’ll be happy!
Dropping that pelicle mirror and the phase detect AF sensor should even shave 150 bucks off the price too!
Fab
2 years ago |a new sensor … ?
so why reusing not the 16 MPix on the A57 that sound strange ….
Master Control
2 years ago |An upgrade to the A57, you know Sony more MP = massive upgrade.
end of line.
Alfie
2 years ago |Dear SonyA77,
I slept with your wife.
SonyA77
2 years ago |Did she give you mates rates for being on SAR?
Alfie
2 years ago |I paid her in syphilis, which I contracted from your sister.
SonyA77
2 years ago |My sister isn’t a female, well, she has been since the op.
Denis
2 years ago |He sounds like a virgin actually
SonyA77
2 years ago |Don’t be so hard on Alfie.
saiman
2 years ago |I should add that Sony never distributed their A580 in Canada. So, although they still keep a “traditional dslr” category on their Sony-Style outlets, they hardly make enough copies of the ovf dslrs to distribute them all over the world.
I hope that A600, if it really comes out, does not get designated as a model to be available in only a few countries.
And, I don’t understand the fuss about Sony releasing variety. Sony always had two categories of Alpha cameras in their outlets: the traditional dslrs, and the dslts. So, I find it natural that they should enrich both the sectors with new cameras.
SonyA77
2 years ago |I never understood the A580 Canada thing, it was stupid. But then it is Sony…
ageha
2 years ago |lol, Canada isn’t the only country where Sony doesn’t sell the A580, Singapore is one of them.
SonyA77
2 years ago |Singapore of all places, LMFAO. Not exactly a massive distance from the Sony factory!
saiman
2 years ago |deleted. (repeat)
Frank
2 years ago |Great News i guess i have to start saving definitely Ill be buying that camera!
Thank you Sony!!!!
SonyA77
2 years ago |Don’t save too much, the consensus on forums appears to be that it is fake.
chlamchowder
2 years ago |Well, if this turns out to be true, it’s going to be really tempting. Those specs seem really hard to resist, and if this camera is released, it’ll probably push me to invest more in the Sony system.
So actually, it’d probably be better for me if this were fake – I’d have more money in my wallet
Atlasman
2 years ago |Well, never a dull moment when you pit the OVF against the EVF!
ageha
2 years ago |Even if the A600 is just a fake rumor, I don’t think Sony will discontinue selling DSLRs. I guess they will keep at least one up-to-date model in their lineup.
Master Control
2 years ago |Agreed, completely. Finally some sense in here.
end of line.
SonyA77
2 years ago |“some sense in here” = “somebody who agrees with me”.
end of line.
Rooru S.
2 years ago |Admin, Downgrade to SR1 please.
Zinger Z
2 years ago |Upgrade it to SR4 more like. Even if it dosen’t come to pass it’ll put pressure on Sony to cater to customers who funded the R/D for SLT – OVF USERS!
Russell a580
2 years ago |Its a a780 I`m looking for… just build an a580 with af micro adjustment and two dials, its will be a big big SELLER! And if you can squeeze a larger OVFinder in then thats a little bonus
Jeroon
2 years ago |Applaus to Russel.
blabla
2 years ago |Hey this sounds even better than yesterday news about the A57 !!! I still use the A300 and A550 and would probably upgrade to this DSLR. Same battery and no unnecessary power consumption (for the OVF) as with the SLTs/NEXs. This is all I need for a reasonable price of €600. We are talking after all just about cameras and the result are just pictures/videos! I hate the idea to spend several €1000 for a body because brands are pushing people to buy new MP hightec every 3 months (like smartphones) with prices getting higher and higher, but 95% of the new features are just newer needed for making a nice picture. And if the result is good, who cares where the pictures come from.
***Please Sony produce something usable with a realistic price as you did before and as Minolta did years ago ***
paetrus rhomboid
2 years ago |Someone is REALLY interested to know the demand of OVF Alpha DSLR.
Well, OK. Let’s break this down.
There’s 2 different segments to the OVF Alpha market.
One, small but strong demand for A700 and A900 continuation bodies. These people want features like Quick Navi, bright prism OVF, just enough external controls, AF micro adjust, tethered shooting, well built weather sealed bodies, and possibly live view if that’s not too much to ask. They want quality and are willing to pay for it. The best thing is, Sony already have/had a hook in this field.
The second market, wouldn’t mind losing some of those features if it meant having affordable cameras when it’s time to upgrade. Yes the SLT cameras are made for this segment. But for most of the existing Alpha shooters in this segment, the OVF was a must have feature. Even though they can’t afford the high end equipment, these are also Minolta hold outs just like the first segment. They’re pragmatic photographers. They care more about usability and ergonomics than paper specs.
So, if Sony IS re-evaluating this second segment. I’d say go for it. And when you do make an OVF DSLR, please make the size of the OVF something worth using.
I don’t doubt that SLT have it’s advantages. And i don’t doubt that Sony have gained new Alpha users because of it. But i want Sony to know that there’s a market for a smartly designed OVF DSLR.
And thank you CG for bringing this issue to the surface.
Michal
2 years ago |http://www.sds.com/mug/600siC-inf.html
Two wheels, lot of buttons – MAKE IT!
Paul Auster
2 years ago |This would be the actual a700 successor. 18 Mp and fine high ISO, nice customizeability and live-view. I don´t believe in this rumor a bit, but I would welcome if I were wrong.
Steve S
2 years ago |The option of a OVF would be nice to have. I have the a700 and a77, I like both. I was really surprised that I liked the EVF that much. You have to look at it as something different, and see its positive side. I like the way the EVF gives me a “photo” view with nice contrast. The EVF could replace the OVF within a few versions, in my opinion. But I’m not selling my a700 it still has its place in some occasions.
Physica
2 years ago |If it is base on A77 , then it will be a very good news…..but base on A65…. Ah……. Give me a break….
SonyExes
2 years ago |A580 could’ve been so much better if not for the lack of support by sony itself…it could’ve been a Nikon D7000 direct competitor given the same sensor…
Sahaja
2 years ago |Doesn’t the A580 have a penta-mirror OVF not a penta-prism OVF? It is lacking a few other features of the D7000 and Pentax K5 as well.
SonyA77
2 years ago |Correct, it is more of a D5100 level.
Carlos
9 months ago |Ill buy it right away!!!! WE NEED this!!!!…Sony, Optical always will be better than electronic PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!