(SR4) More info about the A77 price.
One of our trusted sources read your comments and sent me an answer to one of the hot questions regarding the reason for the low price. He said that there will be a couple of A77 kit options. $1099 is the price for the cheapest entry level kit with the current Sony 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 SAM DT Standard Zoom Lens (pictured on top). It is an aggressive price to attract Nikon and Canon users. But the source believes most of the people will buy the higher priced kits with the “improved lenses“.
That last sentence lead us to believe he is talking about the new high quality kit lens which should be announced on the same day (July 7).
P.S.: First Chinese eBay resellers (Click here) are now adding the A77 name to Sony accessories. Preparing for the big launch 
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My December
2 years ago |Prices in the list are in USD or EU or GBP?
admin
2 years ago |Dollars! My guess is that $1099 will be 1099 Euro
Mahmoud
2 years ago |I have a Tamron 17-50mm f2.8 on my A350
I AM going to buy the A77. Question is if the Tamron is good enough for the A77 or does the new CZ lens offer a much better alternative???
Maximus
2 years ago |At this time, nobody can answer your question. You will get the sasme Results with the Tamron on the Alpha 77 if you compress the files to the same resolution.
yurilee
2 years ago |To admin:
Could you please ask the source about if there will be a time lapse mode in A77? C & N competitor do have one.
admin
2 years ago |I have no email form the sources. They are sending me messgaes via contact form. But I know they will read your comment
Henrik
2 years ago |I also have the Tamron 17-50/2.8. It’s nice but it’s not exceptional sharp lens. For instance, at some apertures and focal lengths, the good old Minolta AF 35-70/4 is sharper.
Wirralpix
2 years ago |I agree with Henrik. I sold the Tamron 17-50 f2.8 and bought the CZ1680 for that reason.
Sony FTW
2 years ago |$999 for the A77… I really wish it is true…. I wouldn’t even hesitate to buy one.. First one in line for the $999 A77… Don’t let me down Sony, please make it true…
sonystudio
2 years ago |please some info about the rumored global shutter / 10007s flash sync
imanayAieR
2 years ago |yeaaa my hopelist too.. lol i dont need 1/1000, 1/500 is way enough like the D80
Zstan
2 years ago |If you have calibrated your camera(a300 in my case), you will find that the tamron is very sharp wide open. At f4 it’s also sharper than the baby Zeiss
imanayAieR
2 years ago |zstan camera is calibrated by me
and yes, tamron can be a VERY sharp lens. but talk about the technical sharpness MDFT thingie or was it DMFT something… (making my head blow out) its just some rubbish that technical ppl will talk but never goes out and SHOOT. to me, composition score 100 times more then MERE Sharpness.
Captain
2 years ago |Admin
Sorry to pressure you.
Would you like to make my day and post NEX7 rumors, even with SR2 level ??
Pretty please.
Cant wait
Thanks
C
admin
2 years ago |I posted some specs a while ago. Did yo read them?
paultbg
2 years ago |I am in serious doubt that the current 18-55 lens kit is able to deliver at such high resolution.If will not deliver good IQ, the effect on the camera will be bad.And all canikon followers will yell : cheap camera and disappointing results;the web will be full with such of reviews and no one will notice the extremely good results when paired with a CZ lens or a high quality zoom.
I really think it is a dangerous move for Sony.I will rather build a kit around a re badged f/2.8 Tamron.
Irfan
2 years ago |“the effect on the camera will be bad.And all canikon followers will yell”
Why would they yell? 24 MP APSC has the same pixel density as G3/GH2 on 4/3 sensor. Are they yelling with kit lenses? Sony APSC is larger than Canon. Canon’s 18 MP sensor has pixel density that would be around 22 MP on Sony APSC. Are T2i owners yelling about the kit lens? They are not.
p&S super zooms with small sensors have two to three times smaller pixels (around 50 to 100 MP on APSC). Are they yelling about fixed lenses on their cameras?
This “lens is not good enough” is just a myth propagated by clueless people, like you.
Even a bad lens would see a jump in resolution on higher MP sensor. That’s a simple fact.
admin
2 years ago |Well said Irfan!!!
Irfan
2 years ago |No problem. This “lens” not good enough is total myth mostly repeated by clueless people on forums.
(the following is quote from DPR discussion on this topic)
According to Norman Koren http://www.normankoren.com/Tutorials/MTF.html, the resolution of an image system consisting of a lens and a sensor can be approximated by the formula
1/L + 1/S = 1/I
that is, if you increase the resolution of the sensor, the resolution of image will go up (even with the same sensor).
Koren tells us he checked the linear formula for a 2nd order (Lorentzian) response.
If both components have a Gaussian response it is straightforward to prove that the composite resolution is given instead by a square root sum of squares formula
1/C = sqrt(1/L^2 + 1/S^2)
This uncertainty does not change the general conclusions, though:
* There is no sharp cut-off when the sensor resolution exceeds that of the lens. Image resolution continues to improve as sensor resolution increases.
*With the root sum of squares formula, we achieve 70% of the theoretical sensor resolution when the lens and sensor resolution are equal, 90% when the lens has twice this resolution, with diminishing returns above 95% when the lens has at three times the sensor resolution.
*As technology improves it will be more cost effective to improve sensor performance than lens performance.
Paul W
2 years ago |Plus do we really still need to pixel peep at 100% resolution at 24MP – see the equivalent print sizes supported
http://www.design215.com/toolbox/megapixels.php
And even if sharpness is not all resolved at a pixel level (eg at the edges of the frame) there are still advantages to be had in tonal gradation to be had
admin
2 years ago |That’s a nice chart! Thanks!
MIKE/Canada
2 years ago |( CLUELESS PEOPLE LIKE YOU ) IRFAN, What’s up with saying that ? Calling people clueless because you don’t agree with them. Wow not very mature. And ADMIN what’s up with you cheerleading that kind of talk. Is that where people want this board to go? Mike/Canada.
morgul
2 years ago |Irfan just attacked Paultbg who had written a sensible post.
Irfan basically called everyone that believe that sensors can outresolve lenses “clueless”. And you are cheering him on like cheerleader???
I am beyond disappointed, admin….
imanayAieR
2 years ago |these premium lens are for pixel peeper and fanboys
i shoot most of my studio shots with 1855 kitty,… well at F8. its crisp sharp to the spore of the faces.
for event coverage, i stick with primes.
Henrik
2 years ago |It is also worth noting that most lenses would probably do fine even on a 24MPix sensor as long as you’re not expecting to outresolve the sensor at full open aperture or in extreme corner. I think most lenses would deliver acceptable center sharpness at f/8.
Irfan
2 years ago |See what I posted above from Norman Koren (http://www.normankoren.com/Tutorials/MTF.html )
There is no sharp cut-off when the sensor resolution exceeds that of the lens. Image resolution continues to improve as sensor resolution increases.
Farshid
2 years ago |I am a Canon 50D user. I am waiting for the Sony A77 for a long while! I decide to change my system to sony because of its innovations and of course built-in Image stabilization system. Now I think $2000 for A77+CZ 16-50 kit will be fair price. but if the price is in Euro I think It’s better for me t wait for Canon 5D mark III which is a full frame body. What’s your opinion friends?
SonyA77
2 years ago |If I was buying a new FF and new lenses, it wouldn’t be a Sony. I am very pleased with my A700 and collection of lenses and if I can pick up the A77 for £800-900 I will, but if I was spending serious amounts of money on FF and FF glass, it would be Canikon.
Henrik
2 years ago |I would probably jump on the Sony/Minolta wagon again. I want image stabilization for my macros and fast primes, not only for my zooms.
There are also a few “unique” lenses in the Sony lineup I would miss, for instance the Minolta 100-400 APO (reasonable sharp and much more portable than the Canon/Nikon/Sigma/Tamron offerings) or the Minolta 400/4.5 G (a lot more portable than a f/2.8 but still able to use a 1.4TC and keep the AF).
Froo
2 years ago |The new Sony 70-400 is better than both, especially the 100-400. It’s a very good lens.
Henrik
2 years ago |Well, I won’t argue about the Sony’s sharpness but it’s also twice the weight (and size?).
The 70-400 might compare to the 400/4.5 in sharpness but not in bokeh & DOF, most 400mm zooms (regardless of brand) are suffering from ugly bokeh.
Froo
2 years ago |1) The DOF difference is about half a stop.
2) The bokeh of the 400/4.5 isn’t particularly good:
http://www.mhohner.de/gallery/10-9-8.jpg
In fact, it’s typical Minolta long lens bright-ringed bokeh.
RB
2 years ago |Well, chacun à son goût. I know enough Pros who gave the a900/a850 with Sony/Zeiss’ premium glass a chance — and switched from their Canikon FFs to Sony. And so you can find many reports on the personal web pages of pro photogs on the net.
Personnally speaking, I’m 100% happy with my a900. After 45.000 frames now, still no issue at all (in contrast to the probs friends have with their Canons). Image Quality is next to perfect (okay, we are not talking about the built-in JPEG engine. But who cares for out-of-cam JPEGs who cares for IQ):-)
Henrik
2 years ago |I have never tried the 70-400, my opinions about it are only based on the images I’ve seen from it. From time to time, I’m thinking of trading in my 400/4.5 + 1.4TC for a 70-400 to get the flexibility though most of the time I’m using the 400/4.5, I want more reach and not less. The same goes for the DOF, it’s only a half stop but it does give me the option of putting a TC on it.
Also, isn’t the 70-400 somewhat bulkier? Still, I would love to have a 70-400 as well but I don’t think I’ll part with the 400/4.5.
There sure exist better bokehfiers than the 400/4.5 but I do prefer it over the wiry of the 400mm zooms, at least from what I’ve seen.
I’m actually quite happy with the old 100-400, it’s only the bokeh I’m unhappy with.
Henrik
2 years ago |Hmm, I found out that the 400/4.5 is actually heavier than the 70-400G. Maybe I should be considering a switch after all?
Carl
2 years ago |The 400G is one of the best primes in the Alpha system. The 70-400G is a bit nicer to use thanks to its SSM, but I doubt you’ll find the zoom superior optically.
Jay
2 years ago |I still go for ALPHA, FF or Aps-c. sorry that’s my opinion.
Carl
2 years ago |Sony of course makes full frame cameras too, so if there’s some reason you need or want full frame that option exists.
What lenses do you want to use on your hypothetical 50D replacement?
Farshid
2 years ago |I’d like to pick several Carel Zeiss lenses. In fact I will buy A77 with the CZ 16-50 kit lens. then if I would be satisfied by the sony APSC system, I Complete my system step by step with 2 or 3 primes and a sony-minolta 50-200.
I am waiting for the A77!
imanayAieR
2 years ago |by the time 5D III out, A99 will be out too, then another heavy reading of review and comparison for u
good luck. camera is just a tool, but SSS is a prime’s best friend.
maroot
2 years ago |I’m a Nikon D90 user wating to convert to Sony A77…
Another thing for Canikon users to seriously consider is shutter counts.
Traditional DSLR’s have mechanical mirror shutters. SLT’s don’t.
With digital memory cards, its nothing to fire off 2000 – 3000 shots when you shoot a wedding.
DSLR’s have a rated shutter life. SLT’s don’t. That’s why on craigslist/ebay you see Canon, Nikon DSLR’s for sale with quoted shutter counts.
A shutter tune-up/overhaul on a DSLR will set you back $300 bucks.
No need to worry if the Sony A77 is a SLT ‘translucent’ like the A33/55 before it.
Fire off mutiple burst of 10 frames per second! No worries!
SWEET!
ageha
2 years ago |I highly doubt a Sony SLT will last longer than any other regular D-SLR. Things like the backlight of the EVF are probably going to degrade much faster.
imanayAieR
2 years ago |hi maroot, i think u have mistaken shutter count for mirror flips.
the old film age, shutter design are spring base and easily broke apart after several thousand counts.
in digital age, they are using magnets, which last up to 100,000 shutter. but another issue comes in, most mirror, the thing that cause the loud noise of DSLR, most cant last to 100,000. many reports of A700 had their mirror braket changed (its only 8MYR (less then USD3) only!
SLT is just not having a Moving mirror, but the mechanical shutter is Still There.
SLT will still have a shutter lifetime, but noone would judge the limit, because there are people with A100 wayyyy pass 300k shutter. by the time ur shutter is jammed, its either within the 3 years warranty (if u upgrade the opt +2y warranty) or after 3 years, the new A7X will be OUT,
Farshid
2 years ago |I’d like to pick several Carel Zeiss lenses. In fact I will buy A77 with the CZ 16-50 kit lens. then if I would be satisfied by the sony APSC system, I Complete my system step by step with 2 or 3 primes and a sony-minolta 50-200.
I am waiting for the A77!
Irfan
2 years ago |“Traditional DSLR’s have mechanical mirror shutters. SLT’s don’t.”
This is not true. There is still mechanical shutter (but no moving mirror).
maroot
2 years ago |Thanks for setting me straight on the mirror/shutter deal.
I was referring to the mirror flipping in DSLR’s and comparing it to the translucent mirror found in Sony’s SLT cameras – and called it shutter.
Anyhoo…the less mechanical movement the better. I like the advantage of the speed gain (like 10fps in the A55) Sony SLT cameras have over DSLR’s without having to flip the mirror. Maybe the A77 might even be a tad faster than the A55 (and full frame too???).
pancanikonpus
2 years ago |Damm! missing prime lens offer
pancanikonpus
2 years ago |I only love bokeh lens
lol ……
Carl
2 years ago |We need an f1.0 or faster for alpha mount.
ageha
2 years ago |Not even Canon and Nikon are offering that right now.
Mustafa
2 years ago |That is why sony should
Carl
2 years ago |Canikon never tried as hard for the ultimate bokeh as Minolta did. The Canon 50/1.0 was optimised primarily for sharpness, as are Canon and Nikon’s current 50/1.2s. The original 50/1.0 noctilux doesn’t really have that great bokeh either. You can’t really get a super duper cream machine in standard/wider focal lengths from any manufacturer, certainly not with autofocus.
Froo
2 years ago |Carl: Minolta lenses typically are no bokeh champs, either. That’s one of the more prevailing myths about the system. in fact, only the 85 limited and the STF are clearly optimized for bokeh, while most other lenses are pretty much similar to other brands.
Carl
2 years ago |I disagree. 28-70G, 35G, 3x-1x, 100 soft, 70-200G, 200 Macro, 400G, etc, all have superb out of focus rendering. In manual focus the 85/1.7, 85 varisoft, 100/2, 135/2 were likewise.
But certainly, not every lens they made was optimised like that. Some like the 35-70/4 and 100-300 APO were clearly optimised for sharpness only.
I’d hope if Sony makes a superfast lens they would follow Minolta’s lead (or even get the people in Sakai to design it), and make it a bokeh optimised lens.
Froo
2 years ago |Well, you are plain and simply wrong, which comes from a misunderstanding of bokeh. Bokeh is not creaminess in “binary” separation of foreground and background, because with a shallow DOF and large foreground-background distance, any lens can have “good bokeh” as the unfocused airy discs are so large they completely overlap. That’s not where bokeh is judged as the term becomes meaningless. Bokeh is in the transition; and if there is no gradual transition or a highlight to judge, bokeh becomes impossible to judge.
Here is a shot from the 135/2:
http://www.rokkorfiles.com/photos/135mm%20tests/135mm-bokeh.jpg
That’s not particularly good bokeh. You can see the bright ring, very similar to the characteristic from (for example) the AF 85/1.4 (non-ltd).
I have already shown that the 400 has pretty bad bokeh, typical for the Minolta APO teles.
Among the other lenses you list, I only own the 70-200 and the 100/soft. The zoom has a bit worse bokeh than the fixed teles IMO:
http://www.kurtmunger.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/September2009/1770200f28telz.jpg
The soft has bad bokeh at its sharp setting (just pulled it out to test) but good bokeh at its softest setting. This is natural because:
LENSES OPTIMISED FOR SHARPNESS RARELY HAVE GOOD BOKEH! In the case of the 100/soft, the bokeh at the softest setting is because of spherical aberration introduced by the repositioning of the elements. All manufacturers try to make sharp lenses, and thus, lenses with extremely good bokeh tend to be specialized in one way or the other.
Truth is, the perceived bokeh quality of the lenses you list is because of their typical use, which is large apertures in shooting situations favoring separation between background and subject. When shooting in other, sub-optimal conditions, such as a red panda in a backlit tree
they show off their true colors — which is quite normal bokeh.
pancanikonpus
2 years ago |if cosina voitglander consider 1 prime like the f0.95, i will buy.
imanayAieR
2 years ago |i love photoshop.
paultbg
2 years ago |@ Irfan- please keep your opinions about people just for yourself;you do not know me or how clue/clueless I am;also you do not know what are my needs related to lens or IQ;if you have an opinion about Sony products we would love to hear it; about people,give us all a break,ok?
hanugro
2 years ago |If the new kit lens is SSM I might consider it. But if SAM/screw, I will get body only. Got M 17-35 and will wait until Sony release FF superwide prime.
maroot
2 years ago |In due respect and personal stuff aside, I like how technical Irfan is though.
Technical explinations like Irfan’s help us to understand the relationship between lens and sensor, cause and effect.
Keep up the technical stuff Irfan.
MIKE/Canada
2 years ago |Well, I due respect to ANY technical talk when people start calling people names I have little to no time for anything they might post after that. MIKE/Canada
Knurd
2 years ago |$999 for the body? I highly doubt that. With the shortages in Japan and this being a far superior camera to the other SLT’s…I think this is wishful thinking. Why wouldn’t Sony cash in on a long overhyped product people are willing to pay premium for? What’s next? $50-$100 rebates too?
maroot
2 years ago |I think Sony wants to be a major player in the DSLR segment.
The A33/55 were good but first timers. They are considered entry level DSLR’s. I think Sony wants to try to position the A77 as a prosumer or simi-pro DSLR camera. They want to take it to next level, like the Nikon D7000 but with improvements over the A33/55, and prove that SLT cameras are a force to be reckoned with. A serious player anotherwords.
And if they can do it with price $$$/performance….why not? The A55 body only is now just $749 so for $250 more you’d get a full frame 25MP, magnesium body killer SLT camera?
Can Sony do it?
I think YES. If anybody can do it Sony can. And hopefully it will convince many Canikon users to convert.
I think the question really is “Will Sony really do it?”
See what Sony has to say about the A700/A77 here…
http://www.dpreview.com/news/1101/11011110sonyinterview.asp
Juan
2 years ago |Can somebody please* help me understand something?
I pretty heavily invested in Minolta AF lenses and have always been happy with the results in my a100. But are those lenses, and the the dx lenses, not going to do well on this 24mp sensor?
And what will i need to look for when buying new lenses?
Or do we have to wait for sony to release lenses that will perform well on this new sensor?
I’m excited, but a little nervous about this release. A lot of new stuff will be coming our way.
SonyA77
2 years ago |Why would a lens designed for 35mm film not be good enough for a 24mpix sensor? I think people are worrying far too much about this, personally I think it’s a load of nonsense.
sgts
2 years ago |it will be priced at $9999 usd to make it competitive with the sigma sd1
Juan
2 years ago |That’s exactly what i’m thinking too.
But this statement bothers me…
“The combination of the new sensor+new Zeiss lens delivers 62% more resolution ”
I know it’s largely due to the sensor, but how much of a role those the new lens play?
I’m just asking because I want to know. And i was hoping some one knowledgeable on the subject matter could me.
pancanikonpus
2 years ago |andrea,
previous SAR5 Nex7 $1300 [solid build], it come with which lens, or it just body only?
guy,
what is your next move soon,Amount a77 or Emount Nex7? I am nervous do not know which one are better or equal…