(SR4) Sony is changing the NEX lens roadmap (including new NEX pancakes)

Good news folks! Sony is listening to their customers and I have been told that they updated their lens roadmap. The “old” roadmap you see posted on top has been modified and I have been told Sony develop one-two new pancake lenses. The only pancake lens to date is the Sony 16mm f/2.8. I don’t knwo yet when Sony will announce the new roadmap.
Just my personal wish, Sony, make a lens as small and as good as the Pentax SMC DA 40mm (Click here to see that lens on ebay)
Reminder (SR = Sonyrumor):
SR1=probably fake rumor
SR2=rumor from unknown sources
SR3=50% chance it is correct
SR4=rumor from known sources
SR5=almost certainly correct!

Daniel
7 months ago |Hope the high performance standart G will come fast at the beginning aof 2012 for the NEX 7!
Joe
7 months ago |Going to guess we’re looking at an end of year/Q4 release, just like this year.
Matsuoka
7 months ago |I was hopping for this lens as well but have you seen the mockup? It seems to be very long, as long as the 55-210 and IMO it does’t look very balanced with the NEX-7.
Also my guess is the lens will have longer reach rather then faster aperture compared with the kit lens.
b_z
7 months ago |Pancake 35/1.8, please.
Mist
7 months ago |+1
Zstan
7 months ago |Who not 30mm?
Alfonso Cuitiño
7 months ago |Yes! 30, 35, something like that would be really cool. And hopefully f/2 or faster
Pierre
7 months ago |+1
Geir
7 months ago |Not going to happend, you want pancake – you need to take the penalty. Probably less than flawless performance and f2 at best, most likely f2.8 or slower.
b_z
7 months ago |Look at Leica 35/1.4 old lenses. Add a M/E adapter, it’s still a pancake. A heavy one, but still a pancake.
SonyA77
7 months ago |If a 30/35mm pc was possible I would consider a NEX.
emopunk
7 months ago |+some thousands of users!!
Eric
7 months ago |I really only need two or three pancakes, the rest of the lineup can be large lenses for all I care. My wishlist:
16mm f/2.8 (a new sharper version)
30mm f/2 (this should be priority #1)
60mm f/2
All G grade if possible.
Roberto
7 months ago |Me too, I hope a 35 mm f/2, or f/1.8.
Alex
7 months ago |If it’s a 20/2.8 G, I will cancel my order for the new zeiss
David
7 months ago |Great news.
Though I get the feeling if it isn’t a f0.95 pancake, people will still complain!
Eric
7 months ago |Yes, people always complain, but I think those of us that complain about lens size have a legitimate gripe. A 28-35mm pancake lens should have been the very fist lens Sony made. I’m glad to see they’re listening.
David
7 months ago |I agree Eric
28-35 is a very nice range on APS-C. Perfect for shooting 2-3 people across a dinner table. And I guess that’s the sort of thing the NEX cameras are great for. Going out with friends and don’t want a dSLR.
Lonnie Utah
7 months ago |Sony didn’t FORCE you or anybody else to buy into the NEX system. You bought in knowing the lens limitations. If you for sure wanted small lenses you could have gone with the 4/3′s options, at the penalty of sensor size and image quality. There is no such thing as a free lunch.
So I understand people saying “It would be nice to have these types of lenses” as opposed to “I hate that we don’t have these lenses and the system sucks because of it”. Yet those people complaining had other options from the beginning. If they didn’t research the product before they bought in, that’s their fault, not Sony’s fault.
Quityerbitchin’.
Vlad
7 months ago |These people didn’t actually have the options. You contradict yourself – m43 is not an option if you are after best IQ. And nobody is asking for a free lunch, people will pay for those lenses.
What people like you don’t get is that many chose Sony because they like the system, but they also want an improvement. And bitching is pretty much their only option when you think about it. Unless you have some other suggestion?
Lonnie Utah
7 months ago |So you are saying that Sony held a gun to everyone’s head that bought into the NEX system? If that isn’t the case, then everyone who bought the system had options. Every system has limitations, be it nex, m4/3, nikon 1, dslr, medium format, etc, etc, etc. The limitation of the e-mount system is the size of the lenses. If you didn’t know this then you were simply a bad consumer. For many folks they are willing to trade the size of the lenses for the IQ of the system. If you aren’t willing to make that trade then there are other systems out there…
That doesn’t mean that Sony can’t listen to feedback from it’s consumers and give them what they want. There is ASKING for a product and there is COMPLAINING about a product….
Vlad
7 months ago |Judging by your first paragraph you didn’t read what I wrote.
I’ll address the second one though – companies rarely, if ever, understand asking. Complaining on the other hand is a very good motivator.
reinz
7 months ago |how about 24-35mm/f4 for pancake lens
that would be nice
yesand
7 months ago |how about 24-50mm f4, with macro mode on the 50mm end?
Steve Jones
7 months ago |It’s physically and optically impossible to make a 40mm focal length lens as small as the the Pentax SMC DA 40mm for the ultra-short e-Mount lens register. Any such lens would have to be a telephoto design which inevitably introduces more elements and complexity.
A lens of the Pentax design would be around 50-60mm long on e-Mount.
Paul Hedderly
7 months ago |Steve – hardly any point wasting your fingers there mate…
Steve Jones
7 months ago |You have to try. Even if somebody could squeeze a lens with a 40mm front focal length and (say) a 16mm back focal length into a lens that thin, I doubt they’d like the result. It would have vignetting, edge colour shifts and other nasties.
ItsaChris
7 months ago |collapsible 40mm would be perfect (relay any short telephoto 40-70).
I know, I know, if people want a collapsible lens we should be asking for it instead of a pancake. but most people would consider the 14-42mm X lens a pancake so that is what they ask for and I bet thats how it will be marketed.
Steve Jones
7 months ago |I’d agree a collapsible is the best approach (and simplest) for 40mm. Note sure it can be done if the same depth though.
Helena
7 months ago |Talking of collapsible lens, if Sony approach to Olympus and get some of their jpeg engine…wow
Vlad
7 months ago |The DA with the adapter should be something like 4cm on the NEX. I think most people will be happy with that.
C
7 months ago |I remember lensdesignchat from a thread not too long ago.
Anyways, even if they are tele lenses and even if that means more glass for a slightly weightier lens, I’m sure NEX users won’t mind. They won’t be the same size/weight as the 16mm f/2.8, but I’d hope that the quality would be better.
joel
7 months ago |Pentax briefly released their slightly-larger-than pancake 43mm lens for LTM. The big problem would be angle of light hitting the sensor (ALA wide-angle biogons or CVs). However I think they know they can do better than they have. As long as the lens doesn’t stick out as much (or much more than) as the grip I’m thrilled.
Guido
7 months ago |A high quality standard zoom is really needed. Something like a 17-50/2.8
I have currently an ultrawide 11-16/2.8 on a APS-C-DSLR. But an ultrawide lens for the e mount is not so important for me, because of the excellent panorama function.
What I really need is a longer tele lens with at least 300mm on the long end. I think the new 55-210 is a little bit useless. Because it’s not a high performance lens and the focal length range is already covered with the 18-200. Panasonic and Olympus have already lenses with 300mm for m4/3. So a 100-300 (or longer) for the e-mount would be very welcome.
Sony has shared the e-mount specification with a lot of companies like Sigma and Tamron. Hopefully they will start to produce something for the E-mount in 2012.
Ezio
7 months ago |What brand is your ultrawide 11-16 f2.8? How is the optical and mechanical quality?
Zstan
7 months ago |There’s only one brand which produces that lens – tokina
Geir
7 months ago |the 55-210mm is useless because the 18-200mm covers the same lens range?
Like a van with a big engine makes sports cars useless because it can go both fast and haul stuff?
Linh
7 months ago |It’s not exactly useless. $350 vs. $800. 55-210 lens is probably also a bit sharper. So there, two different lenses for two different needs.
Helena
7 months ago |+1 for that 17-50 2.8. Maybe G standard zoom will be the answer to our praises.
spacegoret
6 months ago |+1
Francesco
7 months ago |+1 on the 300 zoom (hell, even fixed… or 200-300) and +1 on the 17-50 too.
I am planning to buy a Nex-5n, IQ, Hi-Iso and portability appeal a lot to me… but a good long tele would be the icing on the cake. Good for sports and concerts.
My only doubts on the NEX system are that it’s young… I bought an Oly E-500 in 2007 because I thought 4/3 would blossom but instead it turned into m4/3… more expensive and less performing, ‘specially on high ISO (I don’t shoot ONLY in high-iso, but I’d like to be able too… especially for concerts/live shows, the flash is often a no-no for various reasons).
Clyde
7 months ago |Collaspsible design can keep the IQ much higher than Pancake. I hope Sony is considering this. Everyone gets what they want with Collapsible including better functionality in manual focus mode and the possibility of built in lens hood incorporated into a clever design. Make the lens so that a built in lens hood extends and acts as a big manual focusing ring when engaged. Slide it back and the hood becomes a protective case around the lens. Make it all electric extending and retracting by way of camera on/off button… It would function just as efficiently as a Pancake with better usability and much higher IQ.
FMJ
7 months ago |i like the idea of using the hood as a focusing ring, wonder who will be the first to copy Clyde concept?
anything from 28mm to 35mm and size similar to panasonic 20mm, i will buy.
When Sony start doing that, i don’t know what other reason people will buy m4/3
BTW, a few Canadian retailers are selling the 5N for $599 now, $100 discount already!
sleek
7 months ago |sounds good. just that sony have to put in that OSS (“Optical Steady Shot”). OSS in the 18-55mm works well but sadly it’s not present in the 16mm
Linh
7 months ago |They had to to keep it a pancake. And you don’t /really/ need OSS for 16mm, do you?
Haswell
7 months ago |Sony has a nice E-mount standard zoom and a very good 24mm fast prime, and a standard 50.
What they need to have a competitive advantage is to counter Panasonic’s beautiful 7-14mm (which I have) and Olympus crazy telephoto prime like the 150mm f2.0 (300mm f2.0 effective), and their f2.0 zoom lenses. How about a 10-24mm ultra wide zoom, and a 100mm f2.0 prime? What you say??
Pierre
7 months ago |+1111
Joe
7 months ago |need me some 50-70mm pancake. Sure would like a macro pancake, but I don’t know how easy that is to do.
The m34 crowd still won’t stop bitching, “Oh but you don’t have this type (20mm, 28mm, 30mm, etc, whatever sony doesn’t make) of pancake which is much better.”
Jonathan Geach
7 months ago |If you look at lenses in general, as you get farther from 35-50, the lenses get bigger, as the lenses get faster, they also get bigger. The sweet spot is generally in the 35-50 range at around f2-2.8.
Sony – please make a 35 f/2 pancake and a 50 f/2 pancake, and I promise to buy it.
Thanks
Jonathan
joel
7 months ago |I find 50mm awkward on APS sensors. Let’s make it something between 55-60 and I’d buy it.
lessob
7 months ago |24/2.8
Petter J.
7 months ago |30mm 2.0 should do the trick.
NEX5
7 months ago |+1
santela
7 months ago |If it’s gonna be as bad as the 16mm, then don’t bother.
DP
7 months ago |Looking at the Samsung NX200 and Nex-5n side by side, there doesn’t seem to be a reason why Sony couldn’t make 20mm f/2.8 and 30mm f/2 pancakes too.
I’m doubtful about a 50/2 or 60/2 pancake, seeing how big the 50/1.8 is.
extra|ordinary
7 months ago |I would like to see one really sharp pancake lens in the 18-20mm range. Other than that, I would love a whole range of Zeiss primes WITH SIMILAR SIZE AND BUILD of the 24/1.8.
Ideal line up:
18mm or 20mm pancake (f/2.8 at least)
24/1.8 Zeiss (Thank you Sony)
35/1.8 Zeiss (f/1.4 if possible)
60/1.8 Zeiss
90/1.8 Zeiss
grumps
7 months ago |I’ll believe when I see it, not the part about the pancakes, but the part about Sony listening to their customers. If they are really listening, those pancakes will have respectfully fast apertures as well!
reinz
7 months ago |please bring pancake G or zeiss, 14mm/f4 or 18mm/f.2 and 35mm/f.2
that would be nice for nex
velasquez
7 months ago |24 mm pancake, even if f2.8 !
Ken
7 months ago |any truth in this rumor I heard about Sony coming out with an adapter so the NEX7 can be used with other brand lenses (Nikon, Canon etc etc)?
Mike
7 months ago |Ken wake up !!!!
we are talking about e-mount lenses !
adapters still exist since old nex3/5, and give the possibility to use every lenses on market (zeis, nikon, canon, tamron, sigma, leica …)
sony will only bring the LA-EA2 for alpha lenses (auto-F)
the roadmap is for e-mount auto-focus lenses !!!
Allan
7 months ago |My ideal e-mount lenses :
Pancake 20 mm or 24 mm / f2.2 or f2.8
Zeiss 60 1.8
G lens 17-50 F2.8
G lens 50 F.1.8
Sigma 18-105 F3.5-5.6
Tamron 28-300 F3.5-6.3
what do you guys think about ?
Svetlana
7 months ago |Why a G 50 1.8 when that lens already exists? Should at least be 1.5 then, and perhaps in a different focal length more useful on APS-C, such as 55-58mm 1.4.
Jojo
7 months ago |Zeiss 15/2.8
Zeiss 24/1.8
Sony 70/2 (although with the 50/1.8 already made, an 85/2 is more of a possibility)
Sony wideangle zoom (due 2012)
Sony pancake 25-35mm
Happy with these, and use SLR for anything else.
Linh
7 months ago |I don’t have much money to spend on these expensive lenses but I’d gladly save up to buy a 35/1.8 pancake.
And we need an 85mm lens!
Adrian
7 months ago |I want a Sony NEX-7N !!! NEX-7 body with NEX-5N sensor.
Walt
7 months ago |The flaw in the e mount system is in the tele end. NEX is really just a wide angle/standard lens system. Only part of the range of photography covered. It’s position is to compete with bridge cameras, many of which have very long range in focal length on their lenses. But it does not compete.
Even dozens of WA “pancake” lenses won’t widen the range of photography that the NEX is suited for.
I am hoping eventually that Sony will make a complete system out of NEX. For now it’s too limited in several ways. So of course I’ve not bought into it for either myself or my wife. Only watching it.
Ken
7 months ago |ugh, Walt…
Greg
7 months ago |Maybe I’m in the minority, but I just want to see a happy medium – not necessarily pancakes (with their inherent optical limitations), but small, reasonably fast primes (my Zuiko 38mm f1.8 Pen lens is just right) without any frills – no oss, sam focusing, etc. I just want to take pictures, not video.
Of course, that would all be much easier if some marketing nit-wit hadn’t insisted on the “thinnest mirrorless camera” tagline. A little more room between the sensor and the mount would have made a huge difference for the optical engineers and would have given all of us a smaller package overall.
Phuong Dinh
7 months ago |If pancakes mean bad quality then I don’t really need pancakes, but I’d like to see fast prime lens at a smaller size than the 24 1.8. From the photo, the front element looks really small, why does the lens have to be so big?
davidlam
7 months ago |ZM series + Sonnar HFT 40/2.8 & Planar HFT 80/2,8 with AF please!
Reissue M Rokkor 28/f2.8 40/f2 90/f4 lenses with AF
A collapsible LM adaptor please!
A Panake APS version of Contax G35-70 -> Vario Sonnar 24-50/3.5-5.6
Andrew
7 months ago |They should take out the wide angale zoom lens from the roadmap and replace it with a pancake prime. I don’t care what the focal length is as long as it has a USABLE f/2.8 maximum aperture, don’t care about distortion or CA or vignetting cause those can all be fixed in PP. All I ask is sharp at f/2.8 and pancake, and reasonably priced ($300).
Clyde
7 months ago |For my NEX, I have a set of insanely sharp Zuiko PEN FT lenses… all extremely compact and focus twice as close as any Voigtlander or Leica glass you can mod.
42mm f1.2, 60mm f1.5, 40mm f1.4, 38mm f1.8, 25mm f2.8, and a brilliant 50-90mm constant aperture f3.5. These lenses are as tiny as the Voigt and Leica and were designed for SLR so they have excellent corner sharpness on NEX, unlike rangefinder mods. They also made a 70mm f2 and 20mm f3.5, among others including a 38mm f2.8 pancake that’s only 14mm long and very high IQ.
Sony would do well to emulate these high quality prime lenses.
C Web
7 months ago |Clyde, I have Pen 42/1.2 25/2.8 20/3.5. The 42 is fantastic, period. The wides however, while very sharp in the centers, are not only soft in the corners but on the edges as well, due to Spherical Aberation—you can get sharp corners—just not at the same distance as the centers. They are very nice little things, but cannot compare to 21 and 25 CVs. Samples:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/55299472@N07/6301091949/sizes/o/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/55299472@N07/6301091665/sizes/o/in/photostream/
best
hanugro
7 months ago |IMHO, all prime should be pancake.
C Web
7 months ago |opps
emopunk
7 months ago |I wish Sony would make a nice NEX-5N kit with a 35mm f1.8 G lens (possibly both black..). This would sell like hot cakes. I think I could enter the system with something like that..
Jojo
7 months ago |Hallelujah! Good that Sony have seen this need – however belatedly. I just hope none of the lenses already due in 2012 have been put back, they’re all still needed for a system (Mark that word Sony!)
klw10
7 months ago |My guess is that the G lens Sony is to release in 2012 will more than likely be something similar to the 70-300G or at least a lens in that range. They might jump up into the 70-400 range but I think that it is not likely.
emopunk
7 months ago |how do you imagine to balance a body of such a long lens with the tiny nex-5n one? To me still it seems weird!
Paul
7 months ago |I think they should get a nice telephoto prime for birds, sports, etc. and a nice 10-18mm wide angle.
Rover
7 months ago |Amen to that; a good wideangle is a must. My wife is using a Nex-3 and she keeps wondering why there is no dedicated UWA for her work. The telephoto is OK (though very belated) but the lack of wide end coverage is disappointing unless we resort to something really extreme (like a Sigma 8-16 with LAEA2 adapter, but that combo is just huge).
e_dawg
7 months ago |I don’t think you guys understand what “pancake lens” means. A lot of people asked for a 35/1.8 and other focal lengths with f/1.8-2 max aperture. Apertures larger than say f/2.5 in this focal length range are not possible to design as pancakes for the E-mount.
Now, if you expand the definition to mean a “relatively compact lens” like Olympus’ 45/1.8, then lenses like the 35/1.8 become possible. But in no way would they be considered pancake sized.
Rover
7 months ago |sorry, wrong post commented
yesand
7 months ago |Personally, i want reasonably sized prime lenses that are sharp enough at fast aperture speeds. Preferably not longer than the 30mm macro, and with OSS.
But having the option of thinner lenses are big plus for MILC cameras.
Jman
6 months ago |+1 million for a 30-35mm lens that is at least as fast as f2! A Pancake would be AWESOME but even if it were a little bigger than the 16mm I wouldn’t complain if it was at least shorter than the kit lens. Hopefully that could be accomplished at a reasonable price. The Zeiss 24mm would be nice to own but is a little out of reach. a $300 or less with these specs and decent image quality would probably do very well in market and be profitable for Sony. Fingers crossed…
Jean
6 months ago |Well, I have been shooting Sony since I started photography and recently upgraded to the A77 -and LOVING it! Waiting for the NEX 7… Bottom line is this, Sony is not for everyone, but they have to REALLY stuff up before I’d move to any other maker. On the NEX system, or any system, if you have a larger sensor, due to the way light behaves, a pancake for a 200mm lens is not possible. If you are really after true pancakes at larger focal lengths, try the fast, small sensored and over priced V1 from Nikon. You will loose IQ, but you’ll gain pancakes. I am quite satisfied that Sony is bringing out some quality glass, and the entire thing (Nex 7 with non-pancake lenses) will still be much smaller and lighter than my A77 with 70-200mm G glass, AND the IQ will be a tad better?! What a WIN! Pick your system for what suits your lifestyle and photographic needs, that’s all I’m saying. I favour IQ and style, what are YOUR needs?
Steve
6 months ago |Just copy the Samsung 30mm f/2 pancake and be done with it!!! It strikes a great balance between performance, price, size, and speed.