(SR5) Huge Sony leak!!!
The image on top shows some of the new items. Click on the image to enlarge!
According to our sources that is the list of new products Sony will announce on August 24:
A77 -> 24 megapixels
Vertical Grip VG-C77AM
16-50mm f/2.8 SSM
A65 -> Has the same 24 Megapixel sensor but less fps
NEX-7 -> I have beent told that this camera is a very serious Fuji X100 (Click here to se it) competitor!
NEX-5N -> An updated Sony NEX-5 with new sensor
LA-EA2 with built-in Translucent mirror -> A revivial of the Leica Visoflex (Click here to se it) 
XGA external OLED viewfinder (works on NEX-5N only)
Zeiss 24mm f/1.8
Sony 55-210mm f/4-6.3 OSS
Sony 50mm f/1.8 OSS
VG-20 -> successor of the Sony NEX-VG10.
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T.J.
2 years ago |This is awesome. I am excited for this like i was for my very first SLR way back in the day. I have a 50mm Nokton 1.1 waiting, and the Zeiss lens is big but I care so much more about the performance, It was the biggest reason I was swayed away from the MFT, the FPS are just not there, and the sony nex-5 has been working in field for me better than I ever dreamed. Thanks SAR for some fantastic information, this is what Ive been waiting for. Can’t wait for the 24th
Mike
2 years ago |Man that zeiss lens looks huge. If you’re into street photography you probably won’t want that camera. If the nex 7 shutter sound is as loud as before you’re going to be scaring your subjects away with a lens like that. They are going to feel like you are gunning them down and taking their souls. The Fuji X100 on the other hand looks so innocuous with it’s retro styling and small lens. The nex 7 looks great but I get the sense that Sony missed the mark for street photographers.
Dulaney Ward
2 years ago |some street photographers
Lonnie
2 years ago |I don’t think so. Throw a MF Olympus OM 24mm F/2 via an adapter, and it will be a great size, great IQ and cost WAY less than the Zeiss…
Richard
2 years ago |For street work, including in areas where you do NOT want to be waving an SLR around, I find the NEX-5 with the Voightlander 15mm Super Heliar an absolute joy to use – great DOF, compact, robust etc etc. And very unobtrusive.
b shaw
2 years ago |Mike
There is no need to be coy or secretive with your street photography – I’ve been using my A900 and 70-200 G lens for street photography – I’m very close to my subjects. Often, I try to talk to them before or after I shoot them. Frequently, I get their contact information so I can send them copies. So, I don’t buy into the idea that you need a spy camera for street photography. Here are just a few from a couple of street photography outings – all were with A900 and 70-200G – As you can see, I’m up close.
http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/1207911588_JdYkp-X2.jpg
http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-jMZTd6r/0/XL/i-jMZTd6r-XL.jpg
http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/1207133193_Yz7Cm-X2.jpg
Carl
2 years ago |I once had a women go off at me hysterically when I was shooting with my 100-400. I wasn’t even photographing her, but my presence alone was enough. Humans come in all sorts of flavours.
Really nice photos, by the way.
b shaw
2 years ago |@Carl
Thanks.
Frederik
2 years ago |Huge lens not for street photography? What nonsense; a smile will solve >most< problems.
Bazis007
2 years ago |Do you have any information about some feautes in A77, such as aprerture and shutter control in video mode? I also want to know, will A77 have shutter timer, which can make (for ex. 1 frame every 30 sec)?
admin
2 years ago |coming soon…
Swemba
2 years ago |Thank god, only reason I’m holding my Sony stock is to see if manual control is there or not. If not it’s 7D for me.
Rob
2 years ago |Manual control is an overblown feature – what with the usual framerates, you can only close down the aperture a bit – or install some heavy lighting setups. Control is illusory.
David
2 years ago |The a77 will have SIGNIFICANTLY better image quality than a 7D though.
The a580 already convincingly beats the 7D, and the a77 will be at least that good, and probably a lot better.
Swemba
2 years ago |@Rob Overblown? I’d like you to go tell Phillip Bloom that. Better yet anybody that makes a living off cinematography. Apparently you have never had to match footage from multiple sources. Ever wanted to expose for the sky on your Alpha? Expose for the shade? Apparently you think 24p conversion gives you the same result as native. You probably think you can do proper black and white photographs in photoshop too.
@ David Not even close. 48mps compression are you kidding! Then there is the manual control and framerate thing that a bunch of people that don’t use SLR cameras for professional video seem to think is not a big deal.
Swemba
2 years ago |Would you buy a camera that didn’t have manual control for photography? Why should cinematographers be forced to do just that. Oh wait, they don’t have to. Canon has plenty of Sub-3000 dollar options.
SRL
2 years ago |You need to remember that this is a rumor site and not a photography site!
You will get a lot of great information here, but little to do with photography or about the image. Not often will the subject of photography even come up and I’m not convinced many here even care about the art, but care only the tech!
A lot if irrational fanboy stuff about NEX and Sony, it can be fun but sometimes it’s just irrational.
Sergio
2 years ago |@Swemba +1
Manual aperture and shutter control during video are a huge deal. As is control over the video sharpness, contrast, and saturation so we can set our own profiles like the canon’s.
These are deal breakers for me, that and 60p but Andrea already confirmed 720p60p on the a77. I feel very limited with video on my a33.
Sky_walker
2 years ago |“As is control over the video sharpness, contrast, and saturation” – What? you’ve got to be kidding me. Noone serious uses this in camera. It’s the stuff you add during post-processing of your video material. What you said is like… if everyone would develop RAWs in their DSLRs. lol
Carl
2 years ago |SRL; by all means start a discussion on photography. I’m confident there are enough of us here who actually use our cameras for photographs, rather than just some oblique form of retail therapy.
Swemba
2 years ago |@Sky_Walker not entirely true. The more you can do in camera the better. Would you like to get proper exposure with your shutter/aperture or use Exposure in Raw? Would you rather use proper white balance or use temperature in RAW?
@AdamC The GH2 does seem to be an amazing video DSLR. Not to mention I love AHCVD compression. I’m still up in the air about it’s abilities as a photographers camera vs the 7D.
@Everyone else. The age of the consumer handy cams are over. If you want a sub 3000 dollar option for indy film making, event filming, or even podcasting you get a DSLR. Sony needs to realize that Canon has this market dominated because they have a dedicated video department in their DSLR wing that listens to their filmakers and actually releases firmware.
Yes SONY has the FS100 which I want sooo badly, but how many of use can afford that investment and is it really, REALLY 2500 dollars better than a 5D Mark 2?
I love my A33. I have done some sports event coverage and the auto-focus coupled with a nice zoom is absolutely amazing. Recently I was helping a buddy out shooting greenscreen. He was doing a simple jog and we where trying to eliminate motion blur. We had to switch to a Rebel T31 to get the proper shutter speed. That is UNACCEPTABLE.
The A77 is going to be a decision point for me. It will either be the video DSLR everyone wants or the one everyone finds irrelevant. It’s up to Sony. Anybody that uses their DSLR for paid video work and for a competitive editing portfolio knows you need manual control or there are going to things in your reel that employers WILL notice and wonder why those problems even exist if you could fix them with just a couple of settings. You won’t get hired. Especially if your like me and you need to shoot for video effects purposes. There are so many aspects of POST that you need to see ahead of time get filmed correctly. You need to control your footage.
Sky_walker
2 years ago |“Would you like to get proper exposure with your shutter/aperture or use Exposure in Raw?” – it doesn’t have anything to deal with what I said. Sharpness, contrast and saturation are things you do in post-processing, not in camera. Aperture and shutter controls aren’t in any way similar to this. I don’t know how did you came to such an analogy.
“The age of the consumer handy cams are over.” – yea, yea, I hear things still-alive being announced dead ever since the beginning of press-age. It makes newspapers sell better.
Hm… let’s do some re-cap: weren’t the compact cameras with video about to kill all of consumer camcoders?
DSLRs aren’t yet suitable to replace consumer camcoders, not with this degree of rolling shutter, and these ergonomics for video. Static scenes? Sure, DSLRs win by the miles, but any other purpose they lag even behind the consumer camcoders, not saying about the pro one. DSLRs rule when comes to depth of field effects, etc, but in every-day use for people the dedicated camcoder will give better results.
But that’s one of topics in endless discussion between pro-filmmakers and tight-budget filmmakers. A discussion that really lacks a point, cause we live in a times where everyone can choose what they want
David
2 years ago |I was talking about still image quality, not video
a580 walks all over a 7D, and the a77 will too
And if video is so important, why not get a proper video camera? I never understood this. The primary function of a camera should be still images, and in that regard the Sony cameras beat out the 7D, no problem.
You may complain about lack of video features etc, but I don’t want my still image camera to become more expensive putting in a ton of video stuff I will never use. See it works both ways!
Sergio
2 years ago |Really Sky_walker ??? No one uses this in camera???
There’s numerous guides and suggestions on flattening your image for the canon dslr’s for video using the settings i mentioned.
Here’s one by Stu Maschwitz http://prolost.com/flat/
Technicolor even developed a profile to make the image as flat as possible.
http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2011/04/29/technicolor-cinestyle-profile-available-for-canon-5dmkii/
Bottom line, the Canon’s have these options in camera and I would like them on the Sony’s. I’m not talking about RAW, i’m talking about flattening the video image so it’s easy to grade in post. You can always add sharpness and contrast in post but it’s really hard to try to reduce them.
AdamC
2 years ago |I would rather go (for movies) into GH2 … … micro 4/3 give You benefit with Panasonic AF 100 / 101 … and third generation of GHX and whole bunch of lenses… Canon doesn’t impress with the image’s sharpness and overlook (it’s soft and bit of noisy)… see on Vimeo! … GH2 gives just better image than 7d… BUT ! I’m not comparing the GH2′s image to 1d / or / 5dmII !! only to 7d / 550/ 60d / 600d
I have to see the a65 / a77 movie look… it has to be perfect… if not … sorry sony … I will sell You and buy Panasonic…
pancanikonpus
2 years ago |If not , go for 7D II
Carl
2 years ago |You better start counting it down, then, or someone else will beat you to it.
ras
2 years ago |ugh, the 24mm zeiss is huge.
at least the nex7 looks clean and modern. the two rear dials are nice.
Publius
2 years ago |The Zeiss lens is a 24mm f1.8 Sonnar? That will be the first time when the Sonnar design is used for under 50mm. Sonnars get terrible focus shifts as they get wider, a design limitation.
I very much doubt the Zeiss lens is a Sonnar. And if it’s not, well, the NEX-7 is fake as well.
Fuzzphoto
2 years ago |Maybe the Sonnar design doesn’t have those problems with the shorter flange distance of the E-mount. After all, the focal length is larger than the flange distance, just like a 50 mm would be on a classic SLR body.
Sahaja
2 years ago |Zeiss’ non retro-focus wide angle lens designs that require a short mount to sensor distance are usually “Biogon”.
Sahaja
2 years ago |If it were a Biogon design it would be considerably shorter.
This looks more like a scaled down version of Zeiss’ 1.4/35 Distagon – but the name is wrong.
jg
2 years ago |The Sonnar and Tessar designations have often been used for 35mm eq. lenses (like this one) for compact cameras like Rollei, Yashica, Contax. Sonnar – in this segment – means ‘high end’ while Tessar is ‘main street’. So this lens should be good!
Sahaja
2 years ago |Does deem strange if the 24mm lens is a “Sonnar” – one would expect a Distagon or Biogon
AFAIK the widest angle “Sonnar” prime lenses were 40mm – on the Rollei 35S cameras. These were collapsible lenses.
Zeiss made some 5cm / 50mm Sonnar lenses in M mount – but no Sonnar lens wider than that
“Vario Sonnar” lenses do cover wide angle.
Carl
2 years ago |I have a 35S. A lens that size for the NEX would be fantastic.
Fabio27
2 years ago |I had a 38mm Sonnar in a compact film Contax. Nice lens too.
Carl
2 years ago |A T2?
marco
2 years ago |The non pancake 24 mm is bad news. Good news is that I don’t spend money on new photo gear and do pictures instead.
Texanu'
2 years ago |Do I see a shift in how SONY does controls ? What are the two rotating dials ? And all the buttons on the back of NEX-7 (see the prev leaked picture) ?
This will make me happy, quick access to some functions like WB, Color & ISO is critical in making good photos.
Seems like SONY is finally getting it: a broader range of cameras, I mean this year’s NEX 3C/5N/7 instead of last year’s almost identical NEX 3/5. And the top of the line NEX-7 is more focused towards people with more knowledge in making photos (better control, integrated view-finder).
(and yes, they need a silent shutter and a 28mm pancake).
nopt
2 years ago |That panel between the hotshoe and top dials, do you figure that’s the NEX accessory port or a pop-up flash?
Tom L.
2 years ago |According to the previous leak that was reported to be a pop up flash between the hotshoe and the dials.
adamski
2 years ago |Yeah, that Zeiss lens is a real bummer… What the heck were Zeiss thinking when they did it? But anyway, I can’t wait to put some Voigtlander lenses on the NEX-7… The more pancakes, the better.
Andrew
2 years ago |“What the heck were Zeiss thinking when they did it?”
Form follows function.
jg
2 years ago |The lens is really THAT good?
WyldRage
2 years ago |If it’s anything close to the 24mm Distagon for alpha: YES!
hansen
2 years ago |where is the 500 lens. I hope there will also be some pro and semi pro stuff.
tim
2 years ago |now that I noticed the “ZA” on the lens I say FAKE
(that or it’s an A-mount lens with an adpator
nopt
2 years ago |Not necessarily. Perhaps it was decided that the Zeiss lenses would stick with the ZA designation? After all, NEX cameras are Alphas too. Zeiss-Alpha still makes sense.
Laszlo
2 years ago |I totally agree with you. Currently there’s a “ZE” denomination by Carl Zeiss.
CP.2 lenses that are developed for the FS100 for example. So in this case it should be the same, and not a “ZA” lens.
Laszlo
2 years ago |Oh screw it, I was wrong. ZE are CANON LENSES ! So this could end up with some confusion in the near future.
tim
2 years ago |oh, you’re right. there already are ZE lenses… so ZA is probably correct then… oh well
Carl
2 years ago |They could try “ZN”.
Sky_walker
2 years ago |or ZWTF
Carl
2 years ago |ZOMG might work.
Scip
2 years ago |The reason why the lenses are so big is because sony is making them with the fs100 and vg camera’s in mind, they lenses are trying to do two things and failing at both.
What actually happens is that you get a lenses which doesn’t please anyone. On one hand they try to make them small so they don’t look too out of place on the smaller nex cameras but this comes at cost in that the lenses end up slower which is not really ideal for low light videography work.
What i think sony needs to do is split the nex lenses into two categories. One category for consumers/enthusiast and another for videographers/pros.
The emphasis for the consumer range should be size and portability instead of speed. Most consumers are interested in the nex because they get dslr quality in a much smaller size. They need small lenses.
Sony could make a 24/f2, 30/f2, 35/f2 50/f2 and 85/f2 for group
for pros and videographers they could make these same lenses but with much smaller aperture like 24/1.2 etc because for this group of customer the size of the lenses is not really a problem.
The question is whether sony has the resources to do this.
Froo
2 years ago |Resources? Sony don’t have the MARKET to do this. At this point, that 24 shows they are committed to pro lenses in the E mount. That they would make two completely separate and full-featured lens lines for the NEX, plus the Alpha mount lenses, is a completely absurd proposition.
Anonymous
2 years ago |You don’t need to make an entire line of lenses for NEX-Cameras and NEX-videocameras. Even if Sony just made 2 more fast pancake lenses more suited for NEX-Cameras (say a 30/2 and 60/2) they would make ALOT of people happy. The alpha line has expensive CZ lenses and cheap, plastic ‘easy choice’ lenses. The pancakes would simply be NEX’s version of the ‘easy choice’ series. Just make them pancakes, cheap and out of plastic.
jg
2 years ago |Why – according to your logic – should the lens become bigger because it can also be used for video?
Sky_walker
2 years ago |to look more “pro” obviously! B)
mark
2 years ago |Where’s the viewfinder on the nex7 ? How is this like the x100?
Nico
2 years ago |I can’t wait to see the Nex-7, and I’ll buy one !
I don’t care about the Zeiss lens and it’s size, there is so many lenses that you can mount with adapters and a few are the best available ! Oh sorry, manual lenses of course…
GH
2 years ago |There is an EVF on the far left of the backside of the camera. See this other mockup: http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr4-hot-is-that-the-first-image-of-the-nex-7/
john
2 years ago |Now IF the manufactures of the adapters could implement PDAF via SLT I think a ton more Nex7′s would be sold to Canikon owners.
Downside would be Sony wouldn’t sell as many native E-mount/A-mount lenses but the current 3rd party adapters already reduce sales.
;-/
mark
2 years ago |opps, forgot it’s only efv. wish it had both ovf and efv. But I’ll buy just the same.
Niklas
2 years ago |Andrea, will the 16-50/2,8 SSM be all metal or metal+plastic exterior?
admin
2 years ago |I don’t knwo that yet! But I think plastic exterior.
acolyte
2 years ago |I hope it’s a lot of metal~ 16-50/2.8 should be a rugged one
Carl
2 years ago |The major factor for the success of the mirrorless systems is the small size with great image quality. Unfortunately, Sony lenses are making the small bodies to loose its advantage. Too bad, I really like the Nex system and was considering to buy it. Let’s see what Samsung will bring.
explorer76
2 years ago |Samsung has been definitely much more intelligent in its lens roadmap. Now what we need is a decent Samsung body/sensor
If the next gen samsung sensors can get close to Sony then Samsung can be a very attractive option for all those who are looking for small native AF lenses with an APS-C sensor.
RTI
2 years ago |Nex will be more attractive to people who want to use manual lenses, due to the flange distance, you can adapt virtually any lens…
explorer76
2 years ago |Agreed. Thats why I explicitly mentioned “small native AF lenses”
. In any case despite all the joys of manual lenses, I am sure that if a competent set of AF lenses are available then most users will opt for native AF lenses over MF lenses. I actually don’t like any of the samsung bodies and prefer NEX. However at the end of the day the decision has to be made on what system meets one’s needs in a better way.
GJH2
2 years ago |Yes, I suspect the Nex 7 will be better than the upcoming Samsung (and cost quite a bit more as well). But the current and upcoming Samsung lenses are much more impressive- including three pancakes. It’s amazing that Sony has done such a terrible job with the lenses for the Nex. They need to realize, it defeats the purpose of a small body if you have to put a giant lens on it. They need to make some nice primes- and redo that 16mm, which is terribly soft in the corners.
pancanikonpus
2 years ago |Samsung will not able to convince you to buy their product line up
their NX100 not really stand out. Why not look into Panny + Leica or Noktor
reinz
2 years ago |Andrea, will the 16-50/2,8 SSM is a DT lens or Full Frame lens? i really courius about it. thank you
Terryfried
2 years ago |If you had been up todate on this forum it is obviously DT. would cost double if it is possible to even do it FF.
bobby
2 years ago |if you look at the image, it says DT
redfern
2 years ago |That NEX-7 is a thing of beauty! Though I have to admit I’m worried about the overall size of it creeping up. The body looks fairly significantly larger than the NEX-5 to begin with — notice the mount doesn’t extend above and below the body like it does on the NEX-5. That means that the Zeiss is probably even larger than we realize, since the camera is making it look a bit smaller. This thing will look enormous on a NEX-5!
Still, I can’t wait to try one (the camera AND the lens)!
GH
2 years ago |Looking at them both quickly in PS, it looks like the NEX-7 is a little taller, but a little narrower than the NEX-3. Not bad, considering the EVF.
nopt
2 years ago |I don’t believe it is narrower. If you remember the previous leaked pic, the back half of the camera slopes down, so you can’t see the whole depth of the body from this front angle.
startowa13
2 years ago |I have to admit that I wanted the A77 since I already have Nex5 and I used to have A700 for years but it broke
So, my hopes were for a replacement by A77. While waiting for it I was using Nex5 and now with the new Nex7 I have to tell you all that I’ll get the Nex7 instead of A77. Why? I like the small size, I have a lot of M-mount lenses and few high end A-mount lenses that I use with the adapter. If the Nex7 does have what we all hope for then I’ll be in the 7th heaven with it.
startowa13
2 years ago |The 55-210 lens for E mount… it’s a joke right? Why Sony can’t make some bunch of prime lenses with constant f4 that are very compact? I love the IQ on the Voigtlander 21mm f4 lens and it’s such a small little wonder on my Nex5.
Richard
2 years ago |Do you have a technique for using it? I imagine it would be nice to just stop it down & pre-focus it…?
Videograph
2 years ago |Hi Andrea, you have developped a mobile site. very good!
Unfortunately there is an issue with windows mobile 7 hTC phone, at least.
Immediately after the site is loaded it disappears and a blank screen is left. there is no time to switch to the desktop website. it disapears too fast.
admin
2 years ago |oh, that’s pity! I will report that to the plugin developers! Thanks!
john
2 years ago |Andrea
Any news on:
“NEX-5N -> An updated Sony NEX-5 with new sensor”
What the new sensor is?
admin
2 years ago |16 Megapixel sensor!
Terryfried
2 years ago |So no big change on NEX-5?
Wishmaster
2 years ago |“sarcasm mode on”You forgot about EVF support, the most breakthrough innovation!”sarcasm mode off”
Still can’t figure out why sony decided to limit the EVF only for new 5N. It makes no sense. They’ve already sold milions of E mount cameras, percentage of those who’d like to buy EVF would be higher than those who’ll buy 5N. Current users will rather upgrade to 7, than 5N and those wanting little cheap camera will get C3. So target market for 5N is rather narrow(so market for EVF is even narrower), so why release something that is so desired by many only to few?
Hopefully Andrea you source is wrong and nex-3/5/C3 will be supported.
Raul S.
2 years ago |maybe the current cameras with the current pins setup on the smart accessory port doesn’t support video communication…I remember seeing the explanation of the contact pins and never saw something that could support video communication…
or maybe is marketing strategy. They know a lot of people complained about the lack of EVF, so they hope that these people are going to upgrade from NEX-3/5/C3 to NEX-5N just for the EVF (and the better sensor)
Zstan
2 years ago |Sony already gave you guys a new firmware update for free!! They can’t take care of old users forever right? My 2 cents.
Wishmaster
2 years ago |Old user? After a year those who bought 3/5 are considered old users?
I’d rather be stuck on old firmware than get excluded from the possibility of buying accessory for my camera.
Besides, who’s going to buy 5N with EVF instead of 7? If the price can be any indicator, I’d suspect 5N with EVF will cost slightly less than 7. So what’s the point?
Limited potential market for the EVF.
Sky_walker
2 years ago |“After a year those who bought 3/5 are considered old users?” – yep. Most Sony cameras don’t get any updates at all, so what they did is a huge improvement comparing to previous history.
Wishmaster
2 years ago |As I said. I’d rather keep using old FW than be denied possibility of buying accessories for my year old camera.
Year old camera which is still on warranty, so I wouldn’t consider it old.
Andy
2 years ago |Why is there no inbody stabalisation in the Nex cameras? Is it because the bodies are two small or Sony are shifting to lens stabalisation?
Also will the A65 have the same evf as the A77, seems as they share the same sensor?
acolyte
2 years ago |Too small, at least that’s what dpreview said.
lhkjacky
2 years ago |May be the over heat problem too.
eagle
2 years ago |is it possible that the a77 will use the np-fm500h battery? the “connector” of the vg-c77am looks similar to the vg-c70am…
GJH2
2 years ago |I think the Nex 7 is a bland, boring looking camera. But I suspect it will have some impressive specs. My main problem with it are the Sony lenses. Quality wise they tend to be unimpressive and with the exception of the 16mm they’re all too big for such a small camera. It totally defeats the purpose. They need at least three or four nice pancakes. The ergonomics of these Nex cameras are ridiculous when you put a normal sized lens on them.
acolyte
2 years ago |Sometimes bland, boring looking is what people want. The NEX 3/5 are more targeted towards the hip. I like the rugged look of NEX 7. But let’s get some hands on video. 2D image only goes so far.
GJH2
2 years ago |Good point acolyte. While I prefer the curves of the new Nex 3 I think most serious photographers will prefer the looks of the Nex 7. They’ll certainly like the manual controls. And I’m almost certain the specs will be impressive. They better be- this camera is rumored to be around a $1,000 isn’t it? Not cheap. It’s just a pity they are let down by lenses. They really need some nice pancakes.
Kiril
2 years ago |I hope fore:
1. Hot shoe – checked
2. EVF – checked
3. fixes to auto iso and exposure to make it friendly to non stabilized lenses (16mm pancake) – minimum shutter speed should be user selectable
4. video controls would be nice
5. few more buttons and dials will go long way
6. the tiny package should stay, the magnificent display too
7. Improved focusing aids for manual lenses – the peaking feature seems to be display function and not producing accurate enough results for photography.
Seems Sony are delivering
acolyte
2 years ago |Yeah, feature r&d time vs product release/life cycle time
Hopefully first users feedback will kick Sony’s backside to move even faster 
But they need those first users for that, so have to release it sooner than later 
acolyte
2 years ago |Yeah, $1000 is not an entry level price. It better match at least the expectations of semi pros.
Fants
2 years ago |The NEX-7 is meant to be $1200, no? I’d much rather drop that $1200 on an X100 than a NEX-7 with its current awful lineup. Make a pancake 20mm and 30mm like Samsung’s and we’ll talk/
michel v
2 years ago |I don’t care about the size of the Zeiss. I’d rather have a great large lense than a not-as-great pancake.
Now, with that Nex 7 body with EVF, I know what I’m getting myself this Christmas or earlier.
frosti7
2 years ago |the Panasonic 20/1.7 pancake is both faster then f1.8 and f2, and its a phenomenal lens!
so is the samsung 30/2!
Raul S.
2 years ago |yeah, but Panasonic NX system got more distance from flange to sensor to work with..Sony compromised themselves by using such a small distance like 18mm…but I’m sure they will deliver in at least 3 years the 2nd pancake..I don’t mind the current lenses lineup…I will buy them anyways as long as they deliver great quality.
frosti7
2 years ago |Cant they just make the lens a few mm further away to have same flange? (instead they are twice as big)
G700
2 years ago |They can, and 2mm is near nothing, RAUL.S have no idea what is he talking about
Reason why NEX Lenses are bigger than the Panasonic 20mm =
1-Sony sensor use bigger sensor
2-Panasonic lens have garbage level of distortion (3.82%) which is way higher than most wide angle prime lenses even though the panasonic lens is not a wide angle (it’s 40mm~) Panasonic use software correction to correct the distortion, optically it’s not amazing lens
3-F1.7 for 2x sensor is not equal to F1.8 for 1.5Sensor, there are compact zoom lenses that start with F1.5 and so with compact cameras, The sony sensor will deliver much better depth of field control for example.
etc
Still THOUGH having a pancake rocks ! even with all its flaws
bobby
2 years ago |theres no Panasonic NX system, its Samsung and it uses a APS-C sensor like the NEX,
Someones getting confused
Carl
2 years ago |Radial distortion and chromatic aberration can be corrected in post. Lack of sharpness cannot. This is why the Panasonic 14mm is better than the Sony 16mm.
Alfonso Cuitiño
2 years ago |260 comments so far, this rumor was quite a hit
frosti7
2 years ago |the 24/1.8 is big
the 50/1.8 is not attractive, how many of us have dozens of 50/1.4 already? :\
sony should have produced a 50mm “equivalent” before this 2 lens,
Please sign the sony NEX 30/2 pancake petition to sony, u can state 35/1.4 or other variations in the “comments” field
http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?NEX30mm
G700
2 years ago |Sigma already making a 30mmF2.8 pancake
http://www.digitalcamera.jp/html/HotNews/image/2011-02/09/P1050745-L.JPG
Futile
2 years ago |cool didn’t know that was coming
Carl
2 years ago |Dozens would make one quite the connoisseur.
That said, I have a Sony, an M42 Pentax and a currently unusable Konica (AR mount, that is) from my younger days, so I’m in danger of ending up that way…
1.5 Crop
2 years ago |Where are the E-mount pancakes lenses?
Raul S.
2 years ago |They’re being mass produced RIGHT NOW in the future, around 2013/2014
wait for them
NEXfive
2 years ago |There won’t come more pancakes for NEX at all, since APS-C does not allow them to be constructed that small as for μ4/3 sensors. Just compare Panasonic’s LUMIX G 20 mm f/1.7 ASPH to SONY’s SEL16F28:
http://www.lenstip.com/287.3-Lens_review-Sony_E_16_mm_f_2.8_Build_quality.html
Then keep in mind that 20mm on μ4/3 would be something like 27mm on APS-C and more towards the forthcoming SEL30M35. NEX-lenses will always be much bulkier than those constructed for μ4/3 and only a little smaller than lenses for full frame…
ItsaChris
2 years ago |A 24mm lens needs only for its node point to be 24mm from the film. This is true in any format size, so the length of a lens is not depended on the format size what so ever.
Sony could make a 24mm lens that is only 28mm long as sony would need to add 6mm length to the lens to accommodate the node point. sony could make a 10mm lens that is recessed in the body by 8mm and build it as a 10mm pancake lens (corners would be a big problem but that does not mean it cant be done.)
In truth only lens diameter, Telecentricity coefficient (corner sharpness), and perceived lens length, are the only native advantages of m43.
NEXfive
2 years ago |Come on, there’ll be never fast quality pancakes for APS-C like that and those hoping for that will wait until the end of time. Don’t get me wrong, if I’d change from NEX it would be back to full frame and not to something smaller. You can have even fast pancakes for μ4/3 and on everything else with smaller sensors down to your cell phone, but that’s not the kind of photography I love…
ItsaChris
2 years ago |APS Check
Fast f2 check
sharp check
pancake check!
http://www.photozone.de/pentax/534-samsung30f2
a sony version would only need to be about 7mm longer.
an 18mm or 20mm pancake lens is also a likely candidate as the flange distance for nex is 18mm giving a perfect match.
your 1st argument is wrong. (APS-C does not allow… pancakes)
what is true is short flange does not allow for longer pancakes, such as the pentax 40mm or nikon 45mm. But they can still be built for mirrorless by just extending the lens barrel by the difference in flange length. (a 45mm nikon tessar would be 45.5mm long(that lens could even be collapsible but sony has shown no will to do that yet)) in that case you would be right Nex flange will not let a longer mm lens to be built in a pancake form (but that holds true for m43 also.)
frosti7
2 years ago |A samsung nx 30/2 panckae to Sony nex adapter could be great, if Sony are such dumbasses that they can’t release such lens on their own…
NEXfive
2 years ago |Okay, ItsaChris your review is a good argument for the excellent Samsung NX 30mm f/2, that’s similar priced as SONY’s SEL16F28 pancake and making me wonder why SONY did not sell me that quality. So there’s obviously still a lot of room for improvement. I never denied that.
But creating lenses isn’t all about distances from the sensor, so larger sensors with their need of bigger image circles will always multiply the problems with vignetting and corner sharpness. Therefore nobody should expect these small μ4/3 pancakes for NEX from SONY or from anybody else. They’ll never come.
Eric
2 years ago |@NEXfive
Sometimes it’s just best to admit you were wrong and move on.
“Therefore nobody should expect these small μ4/3 pancakes for NEX from SONY or from anybody else. They’ll never come.”
Really? Let’s see, Pentax has a full frame SLR 43mm f/1.9 that is smaller then the Zeiss 24mm; and for APS-C they have a micro sized 40mm/2.8, a 21mm/3.2, 70mm/2.4, 15mm/4, 35mm/2.8, and a 35mm/2.5 all of which look smaller than the Zeiss 24mm/1.8.
Given, at f/1.8 the Zeiss 24mm is faster than those lenses but I think Sony should worry about making a less expensive compact standard prime (a small $500 28mm f/2 gets my vote) before making a large honking spare no expense prime.
NEXfive
2 years ago |Good luck, Eric, pressing those not extremely thin pancakes for DSLR into E-Mount pancakes without the distance of a mirror between the lens and the sensor. Samsung’s NX 30mm f/2 EVIL pancake made a point against SONY’s SEL30M35, but not your suggestions, which are quite slow anyway. It’s not that I won’t be interested in pancakes for NEX, but I simply don’t believe they’ll come, since there is a bulkier glass construction needed to serve an APS-C image circle than a μ4/3 one, especially for really fast and telephoto lenses.
Murphy
2 years ago |Stop compare to the Fuji X100, it does not make sense at all. Except for your advertisers
Mike
2 years ago |Admin: any news on the auto-focus of the A77? Is there (optional) contrast-detection AF? How’s the micro-adjustment?
SRL
2 years ago |The new NEX7 looks a bit bigger than the NEX5 and a better fit in the hand for serious work and street photography.
add a A-mount Adaptor for my ZA 85/f1.4 and it could replace the Canon G12 I keep in my bag for times I don’t want to bring on the big stuff.
Is the NEX7 bigger than the NEX5 or is it just the picture?
ItsaChris
2 years ago |disappointed in the 24mm (even if its a great lens) it looks to be larger than the kit zoom lens, and the new VF does not work on older NEX camera
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NEX-7 looks very nice. I think it is going to be just what people asked for but we will need to wait and see.
I desperately need to see the 50mm lens, if it is not close in length to the new m43 45mm I will be wanting to return my brand new NEX-5. the 24mm does have me worried but I have a very small wish list (sharp small primes 10-14, 22-30, 46-66) if just one lens is filled I will be very excited (but for a time I thought I was going to get 2).
JP
2 years ago |Sony 50mm f/1.8 OSS!!!!!!!! YES!!!!!!!!!!!
Cliff
2 years ago |Lets see how Sony carefully cripples the video functions of the A77. Sony is the best at creating segmentation’s in their products. Here is a common list.
1.) limit video recording times! (design sensor to overheat at 20 min.)
2.) No 24P
3.) No peaking or Zebras
4.) Bury easy manual functions deep in menus and sub menus.
5.) Severely limit manual audio control.
6.) Disable live HDMI output when screen is being used.
7.) Force HDMI output to carry display info data. (so it cant be used with an external recorder)
8.) Limit HDMI to 8bit 4:2:0
The A77 and the NEX VG20 will be in direct competition with each other. The VG20 will also compete directly with a $5000 PRO FS100 camera. So,..they must kill features (dumb it down) on the VG20 to protect FS100 sales.
It’s a sad thing that Sony does to it’s consumers. They killed a good VG10 by not allowing it to have peaking or ANY focus help. (Sony politics)
CT
Sky_walker
2 years ago |“The A77 and the NEX VG20 will be in direct competition with each other. The VG20 will also compete directly with a $5000 PRO FS100 camera.” – Truly brilliant in-depth market knowledge.
Thanks for the laugh though
Eric
2 years ago |Cliff,
I totally agree with you.
I hate it when a camera is physically capable of things, but is deliberately crippled, just so they can sell you a model with those capabilities for a higher price.
That’s why folks started the CHDK for Canon cameras, and that’s why a few folks hacked the Panasonic GH2 camera. Because they know the camera can do much better than the manufacturer made it for retail.
Cliff
2 years ago |“The A77 and the NEX VG20 will be in direct competition with each other. The VG20 will also compete directly with a $5000 PRO FS100 camera.” –
“Truly brilliant in-depth market knowledge.”
Nothing brilliant or “in-depth” about it at all. It’s very simple and well known. Sony consumer and Sony Pro have issues between each other. Consumer wants to add features to compete with Canon/Panasonic in their arena. Sony Pro holds them back as to not let consumer cannibalize Pro sales. This is done by careful approval of feature sets to create “separation” between models.
Example: In the past, true 24p was generally not allowed to exist on Sony “consumer” models. 24p was considered a “Pro only” mode. XLR inputs and manual audio level control are still not allowed on “Handycam” models today. (this is old school stuff)
I could give 10 more examples but I think we all understand. I have spent quite a bit a time discussing this issue with several Sony employees at NAB and InfoComm this year.
In Sony’s defense, the have to do this. They have a product that sits at every hundered dollar price point. (figuratively speaking) They have ALLOT of imaging products to juggle with each one having it’s own P&L sales figures. Because of this, Sony MUST carefully allow /deny features.
It just makes it very frustrating for the consumers. (i.e. NEX5 and CX700 allowed to have peaking but more expensive $2000 VG10…no peaking allowed because those cameras don’t affect FS100 sales like the VG10 potentially can)
Cliff
Why need video
2 years ago |The reason cameras only go to 29 mins is taxes! They would would then be called a camcorder and pay higher taxes
Steve
2 years ago |It’s not only a huge rumor, it’s even a huge lens.
Is this even a compact system?
Cliff
2 years ago |In a country with taxes or in a country with no taxes. The bottom line is that Sony wants it there to separations in their products.
Does your Sony manual explain why there is a time limit?
If Sony wanted, they could easily market the same camera with a taxes-paid model with a simple firmware lifts the limit. Example…A77(L) with firmware block on video recording time and an A77(X)model for 25 dollars more with limit removed.
Same hardware manufacturing costs with a fast firmware tweak…and it would only need to be done in the few markets that do have extra taxes.
The limitations exist for a much larger reason than taxes.
CT
Andrew
2 years ago |Only one new lens for the alpha mount?? Come on Sony!!
HD
2 years ago |Yea, where are the alpha lenses?
Sky_walker
2 years ago |It’s said that few lenses gonna be released this year for the A-mount, including FF Zeisses. So hopes I still high…. it’d be a great disappointment if Sony would give us only one lens this year after also disappointing 2010. But I doubt. We still have 4 months till end of the year….
Cynthia
2 years ago |I SOOOOO want the NEX-7! Any idea of a rumored launch date?
H.R.
2 years ago |I’m very happy the 16-50mm is SSM. I’ll have to pick on these up. It’s about time Sony put one out.
pancanikonpus
2 years ago |Ho Ho Ho……
today 3rd August, 20 days to go orange77 announcement!!!
today 3rd August, 20 days to go orange77 announcement!!!
today 3rd August, 20 days to go orange77 announcement!!!
600D 50mm f1.8 II for sale
Sky_walker
2 years ago |Don’t. Just… don’t do this again.
;]
Carl
2 years ago |He’s waiting for us to crack.
Pierre
2 years ago |Sony, do hear our outcry and prayer:
- A small standard pancake around 25mm with F2
- Correct the distortion and chromatic aberration in your JPEG
Then, you will be the winner!
oboe
2 years ago |I’ll be buying the NEX-7 if it isn’t stupidly expensive. I agree with all the comments about needing a nice, sharp, fast native pancake lens. Hope this camera comes out before early October…
Shawn
2 years ago |I hope the price wont be stupid expensive either! LOL Yeah I really like the look of the nex 7, I hope that sony does come out with more compact primes, but the zeiss seems manageable…I can handle my 580 easy, so long as it doesnt get heavier than that I dont think I will have a problem with the size…What I really hope for is a near silent shutter,So I can ninja around. I actually wouldnt mind lenses that are the same size as the easy choice lenses for the a mount, but with maybe a better build quality.
Eric
2 years ago |I think the new A77 and NEX-7 are seriously going to need SDXC cards like this one here: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/764373-REG/Delkin_Devices_DDSDELITE633_16GB_16GB_Elite_Class_10.html#Specification
Terryfried
2 years ago |as I have said before I am still hoping for SDXC UHS-II compatability. That would allow double those speeds straight away and double again later. with capacity og upto 2TB.
However I am begining to boubt this will happen as I have ask repetadly if Admin would check the posibility out and not even had reply they will ask. So it is only me even thinking about the posibility.
kangzai
2 years ago |maybe sony’s gonna release memory sticks that would beat the CF’s?
Terryfried
2 years ago |the card above already does.(all round) CF has reached its limmit and its replacment is a while of.
saiman
2 years ago |I don’t think the 24mm is as huge as people are making it out to be…. wait for the real dimension/weight specs to come out… or atleast a side shot of the lens with camera.
As for me… I want quality more than size… nex system allows me to carry my lenses only according to different photographic needs… and keep the camera body in my pocket…. I think that has been the idea ever since it’s been released… anybody remembers the ‘card & barrel’ analogy given by the sony officials when nex was announced? …so i never expected all nex lenses to be pancakes really.
tipper
2 years ago |I’m with you.
NEX 7 has 24MP sensor a high quality lens is mandatory! Quality goes over size!
Don’t compare the lense to X100 this lens deals with sensor with microlenses exactly corrected for the one lens. NEX lenses must generate light falling with a smaller angle on the sensors surface.