(SR5) More A57 specs! (Almost) Same body as the A65!
The A57 will look 99% like the current Sony A65
I just got more rumors about the A57 which will be announced on March 13. The most important news is that it has almost the same body of the Sony A65. And here are some updated specs:
Sony ExmorHD 16 megapixel sensor (guess it’s the same of the Sony NEX-C3).
ISO 100 up to 16.000 (with 25.600 multishot)
12 frames per second
It has FullHD 60p AVCHD 2.0 recording
Compared to the A77 the A57 has less good electronic viewfinder (but sources told us it’s still very good and difference is minimal). No weather sealed body. There is also a new battery grip for the A57 (yep, it isn’t compatible with the A77 grip). It has a swivel screen. No top LCD and no GPS.
And as I told you a couple of days ago a new NEX-F3 and a new NEX camcorder are also coming soon (don’t know if they will be announced the same day of the A57). I am still struggling to get more reliable info about the lenses. Hope you sources can send me more about that soon!
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P.S.: The A77 body only is back in Stock at Amazon (Click here). And so the kit version (Click here).
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Dirk
4 months ago |“There is also a new battery grip for the A57″
Does that mean the A65 gets a grip at last?
Carnicero
4 months ago |No, the A65 does not have grip contacts inside the battery compartment.
woop
4 months ago |Damn you! Now I don’t know if I should buy a77 or wait for this and save some money. Image quality is going to be better I guess in terms of noise and that’s what counts the most.
C
4 months ago |Save the money because lenses.
Adam
4 months ago |Noise is not what counts most. The obsession with ISO Noise is getting out of hand. But consider what you need. The A77 has more MP (you might need – you might not), better viewfinder, swivel-screen (yes – for people like me that do video with ourselves in the picture that is a GREAT feature), better buildquality, is weathersealed and has a wide array of bracketing options (if you care about HDR you will LOVE that).
But if you dont need that I would say as C does – save your money and buy better lenses. That is what REALLY counts the most.
Marc
4 months ago |Great comparison Adam, I fully agree. Everybody needs to decide for themselves if these features are really needed and worth the price difference.
Do you know if the screen of the A65/A57 can be tilted all the way down so that you can see yourself in it while filming ? (screen below the camera)
Wheelus
4 months ago |The A65 screen can be tilted down so that you can see yourself. The A77 can be tilted up and forward and is a little more versitile. So if the A57 has the same screen, the answer is yes.
Wirralpix
4 months ago |I agree with Adam. I upgraded to better quality lenses to go with my A700 and it was like owning a new camera. The A57 could be a very good camera to buy if the specs and price are right. NEX5n image quality in an SLT body cheaper than the A65.
Adam
4 months ago |The problem with the screen on the a55 and a65 is that yes you can swivel it forwards, but it is UNDER the camera. So if it is mounted on a tripod you cannot see yourself. On the A77 you can have it on top of the camera, so you can mount on a tripod and see yourself. That is the way I make most of my videoes (the ones featuring me that is).
And really – the bracketing cannot be underestimated. It is very possible, and easy, to do handheld HDR with the A77. That puts the possibility of HDR into a lot of places where you just could not do it – for instance museums and churches that does not allow for tripods.
This image is handheld with the A77: http://www.flickr.com/photos/adambindslev/6533089585/in/photostream
harpo
4 months ago |+
-two control wheels
-top lcd
-micro lens adjustment
-24mp
I agree the rear lcd swivel is great. Nothing comes close it for versatility.
Poo
4 months ago |Or just get a good camera like a Nikon or Canon, something with a proven track record of great lenses, and excellent low noide bodies
Job
4 months ago |Nikon Canon “Low Noide” track record? 100% agreed!
SonyA77
4 months ago |Using SONY sensors like the D7000 you mean?
Hello World
4 months ago |Adam,
“has a wide array of bracketing options”
Can you tell me more about it, please? I am interested in HDR and NEX system sucks b@!!5 when it comes to bracketing. Thanks
Adam
4 months ago |It can do 3 or 5 frames with 1/3, 1/2 or 2/3 stops – meaning it can do 5 frames from -1.5, -0,75, 0, +0,75 and +1,5. If you need a bigger range it can do 3 frames with 2 or 3 stops. So it can do up to -3, 0, +3 – with you just holding the trigger. Unless something is moving fast (or it is to dark) you can do a HDR of almost anything.
I am hoping the will widen the possibilities even more in FW 2.0 – would be nice with a 5 stops of 1,5. But it is pretty great as it is.
Spoon
4 months ago |Expect it to be similar to the A35, which has the C3 sensor. And guess what, that didn’t perform better at high ISO than the A77/A65.
M@B
4 months ago |Hopefully it uses the same battery as the a5XX, A77, A700 and not the battery from the A55.
Simon_P
4 months ago |Why use the C3 sensor, but not the 5N one?
Dubitatif
4 months ago |C3 and 5N have the same sensor…
sleek
4 months ago |again, this just killed the a65. price-wise, if this is cheaper, people will purchase this instead of the a65.
Almazar80
4 months ago |We don’t know what the final price will be. The A65 has the same finder as the A77 and some people prefer the higher resolution of the A65. Different specs for different folks.
sleek
4 months ago |not quite. if this 16mp is as good as the NEX-5N, especially at high ISO, then no doubt this would be better even with the 24mp of the a65 since most people don’t really need that high resolution. this again considering the price point / the buyer’s budget.
since this is going to be the upgrade for the a55 (discontinued?), let’s assume that the price is the same.
a57 $799
vs
a65 $999
Solo
4 months ago |I really don’t understand why people cannot figure out that the 24mp sensor is better.
ANY PRINT at ANY ISO made by the A77 will surpass the quality from those made by the 5N or A57.
ANY IMAGE uploaded to the web at ANY SIZE (especially sizes exceeding 16mp for obvious reason) by the A77 will surpass the quality from those made by the 5N or the A57.
WAKE UP.
bas076
4 months ago |No it’s not true about 5N & A580 comparation with A65/A77. May be you must stop talking to 5N & A580 user that they must go to oculist?
Wheelus
4 months ago |The A57 will be a good alternative and/or second or third body. If you are someone who does a lot of travel photography or does photography in a lot of different locations, then the GPS is not to be underestimated if you have a catalog of thousands of photographs. That alone would be worth the extra money for me.
Daryl
4 months ago |Would love it to have the same functionality as the A65 or A77 (Full Manual control for Movies)
SonyGeek
4 months ago |No, not more bodies, how about more lenses?! A3x, A5x, A6x, A7x is quite sufficient for crop series, if anything, there should be an A9x FF soon. Work on maturing the firmwares (Sony firmware is like preschool level compared to canikons) and making more lenses/update lenses (Minolta designs from the 80s desperately needs update, and some missing focal lengths needs to be completed) instead of cranking out more desposable 600 dollar dslrs…if they make photography equipment the same way they make walkmans and bravia tvs, they’re never going to penetrate into the pro market…
Matt
4 months ago |‘A3x, A5x, A6x, A7x is quite sufficient for crop bodies’ – you do realize this is an A5x camera and a REPLACEMENT for the A55 right? Still only one of each.
.....لؤي
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cameraman
4 months ago |Please Sony just keep putting everything you can think of on the market. Jesus, way to kill your own a65!
Carnicero
4 months ago |Maybe that’s the problem – the A65 is not selling well because people would rather have an A77.
And when the A65 came out, everyone was crying that it didn’t have the 5N sensor. Well, here it is, Sony listened, and people are still crying. Big surprise.
sleek
4 months ago |” the A65 is not selling well because people would rather have an A77″
Exactly!
Matt
4 months ago |Did nobody buy the a55 because you could buy the a33? Get over it.
Sergei
4 months ago |It’s a good move by Sony and it will free up the sensor for a77 production
danny
4 months ago |ISO performance will not be better. The A77 has an excellent sensor and I doubt the 16MP will be better.
Howard Haigh
4 months ago |The C3 sensor scores lower than the A580 sensor from which it’s purportedly derived, mainly due to a higher lowest ISO of 200… it would make more sense for the A57 to use the same generation sensor as the A580 (which I believe the A55 does) so effectively it’s a new body and a better ELV than the A55 which sounds likely.
rbj
4 months ago |Do we know what battery it uses?
Rooru S.
4 months ago |SONY, read this! lenses lenses lenses lenses lenses lenses lenses lenses. Got it? L-E-N-S-E-S
But giving camera body option is always welcome. Now everyone that wanted the A65 with 5N sensor will be happy. Hope they leave the A35 body design alone. Got good size factor for the entry level consumer. And I do agree with SonyGeek. They got enough APS-C bodies. They reeeeaaaaally need to push FF development and release those models.
neeming
4 months ago |First, no more of these non-inspiring camera bodies please. Already three too many in the Sony lineup. Almost as if Sony tries to throw everything at the wall to see what sticks.
Second, using the previous generation 16 megapixel sensor on a new camera is not a sign that Sony has started to understand too many megapixels are a negative baggage that many people don’t want to carry. It is only an attempt to improve profit margin by capitalizing on high volume output of a matured sensor. Sony is not going to make a 16 megapixel sensor using the next sensor technology. 24 MP and upward is for the future APS-C sensors. In fact, I don’t see Sony stopping until they reach 100 MP for APS-C and 200 MP for FT, despite the fact that virtually no lens can resolve that many pixels, and despite the fact that diffraction has long started to have a negative impact on the image quality. As long as it is in an ambiguous and debatable realm, they will always be biased toward a higher MP because it is the easier sale (because everyone understands mathematically 24>16; 36>24; 50>36; 100>50, and most will automatically accept that a greater MP number means higher resolution, and thus means a better camera). Sad, but this will be the reality.
passer-by
4 months ago |So, in your opinion, should Sony release high or low MP camera?
BillW
4 months ago |I have a Sony 5N and a few legacy lenses. However, I do miss auto focus and the large selection of quality Alpha lenses I have around sometimes. The A57 seems to be a great addition to my 5N when fast action or better lens option is required. this is exactly what I’m looking for if the EVF quality is close to the A77/A65. I’m glad I did not go for the crippled A65.
Matt
4 months ago |Crippled A65? Compared to what? The new A57? You have a 5n but can’t figure out that having an LA-EA2 is essentially the same as the camera you are talking about?
BillW
4 months ago |Sony 5N + LA-EA2 is not equal to A57 if you care about EVF, flash hot shoe, mic input jack, and battery grip, etc.
BillW
4 months ago |One question: with an optional battery grip, the bottom hinged A65 style swivel screen will not work. Does anyone know or can anyone speculate how the new screen is going to look like: side-flip or top mount?
Matt
4 months ago |Sony simply need to build in a groove or space for the screen to swivel. Question though – does anyone here swivel the screen out on A77 when using battery grip in portrait? Because that wouldn’t work so well I’d imagine.
lionel
4 months ago |The grip from A57 must go of the A65 no?
skeudenn
4 months ago |a57 camera sounds uninteresting, a cheap throwback to the a55
greater definition of the a77 is fantastic ( cropping, smart tc, af speed, video )
I wish Sony would finally come up with an improved firmware
to give us better high iso ( birding, animal photography in the early morning or late evening )
I wish sony would focus on faster lenses ( 200mm f4, 400 f4…)
I can’t understand why they dropped the 500mm af mirror
how about a 600mm or 800mm mirror!
glt
4 months ago |They can also release SSM versions of ZA 85 and 135.
ZA SSM fast 50.
ZA Makro.
Improved 200mm 2.8 HS APO SSM G?
Improved 100-400 APO SSM G? Smaller, lighter than 70-400 G?
Or 800mm AF mirror the size of a soda can?
Rob
4 months ago |If this a57 has better IQ in terms of noise performance than the a77, I think Ill blow a gasket xD
Wish sony would out some more lenses, and pronto :S
Matt
4 months ago |It probably will. Just. But be quite a way behind in resolution and body/design. Big deal.
SonyA77
4 months ago |If you are using RAW then you should already be getting fairly noise free images on the A77. That’s assuming of course you have taken the time to learn how to properly post-process in ACR/LR or whatever.
You could always down-sample you images too. It really depends on what you are viewing your images on.
There is a lot of nonsense out there about high ISO, it’s spouted by people who are pretty clueless about RAW processing.
decato
4 months ago |I wish they kept the A55 form factor.
With these specs this camera should have been named A63!
Pei
4 months ago |Agree with you. Why is the size keeps going up? A77 is bigger than D7000 and K-5 for no reason except people keep thinking bigger body = pro.
SonyA77
4 months ago |The A77 size is due to the size of the A700 it replaces, in my hands it is exactly the right size. It’s nothing to do with “bigger = pro”, it is called ERGONOMICS. Look it up, you might learn something…
decato
4 months ago |No objections to A77′s size. I had an A700 until it got stolen.
It is neither kind or wise to assume that there is one right size. A55 has less buttons but less volume and weight makes is CONVENIENT. Look it up, you might learn something.
Anega Tanega
4 months ago |What about micro lens adjustment?
Mike
4 months ago |Sony won’t give you that. If you want sharp pictures at wide apertures, buy the A900/850/77.
Jp
4 months ago |I think I’ll keep my a65.
Thou would love to have that grip, but it’s not going to happen. There are no internal contacts on a65 battery compartment =\
Ingmar Rieger
4 months ago |Hey Andrea,
it would be cool to get some more information about the camcorder. I’d really like to see a usable, real camcorder in the VG20 price range.
blabla
4 months ago |this is finally the camera I was waiting for since the A550! And if the price is a little under the 18MP Canon 600D, this will be a big success for Sony! Considering A33-A55 too small for a man’s hand, A900/A77 too big to carry around the whole day and NEXs still having too few lenses… this A57 will be exactly right, for sure
decato
4 months ago |A65 is almost as big as A77.
Mark D
4 months ago |No it’s not.
It’s a lot smaller.
If they really choose to replace the a65 with this a57 I’m gonna be kinda pissed. Have been wainting month now to get it but it seems to be out of stock everywhere…a shame
adam
4 months ago |+1.. the a55/a33/a35 is too small even for Asian like me, i will never consider buying one.I’ve tried a65, it is a lot bigger, about the same as a550
don1
4 months ago |16MP is fine and coming at a lower price point is great. So yes this camera would be an A65 without 16MP and without GPS. That is fine with me.
However, it must have ISO 100 and lens correction, or this camera makes no sense.
Poke
4 months ago |I do not care much about this fifty something but really interested in the ff. I have had doubts my how good this ff slt will be because of very little noise about it here on SAR. Also because of all the negative comments surrounding the 77. Maybe some of you 77 users could let me know how impressed or dissatisfied in the camera you are. Thanks for any insight.
Solo
4 months ago |Just so you are aware, the negative comments “surrounding” the a77 are completely overshadowed by the praise it receives from just about every single unbiased reviewer.
Poke
4 months ago |Do you own a 77 or are getting your information from research and reading? I have only read bits and pieces. You know all the people complaining about the SLT, but I love the fast continuous focus that the SLT provides. I was just worried what it may do to resolution and sharpness of the photo.
adam
4 months ago |I own a a77 and love it. High ISO noise is not an issue at all coming from a550. It performs far better compared to my previous a550.. color, contrast, dynamic range is great, weather sealed, GPS, Focus tune…bla bla bla…Love my A77
Poke
4 months ago |Adam,
Thank you for the info. It makes me a feel a little bit better about Sony. I have an 850. I love the resolution, camera is pretty darn good. The only thing that needed improving to catch up with the likes of Nikon was a better focusing system. The 850 was a bit slow and inaccurate for sporting events. Poor iso at 3200. I guess I should not say poor but it could, should and will be improved in the 99. I shoot a lot of night sports under poor lighting and gymnasiums. At least I am keeping my fingers crossed. Also higher fps and faster processing. This sounds like a given. I just shot a grade school basketball game with a 5N attached with a LEA2 adapter (SLT) and a 70-200G lens. I shot the game at 320iso, 1/400sec, 2.8. The focusing was accurate and fast. Also, I did not have any issues with the EVF (actually looked brighter under the live view EVF than the OVF of my 850 because of the gym lights. I just cannot crop photos like my 850. The colors were accurate but a little dull to me. Editing would help. All and all I am hopeful. I need to keep questioning 77 users since this will be the closest indication of things to come. Thanks again for your remarks.
Mando
4 months ago |Fear not Poke. Love my a77.
Poke
4 months ago |I am glad to hear that. Thanks
FK
4 months ago |I can’t help but Nex F3 just sounds like a camcorder sitting between the pmw-f3 and nex-fs100 although they’ve both got the same sensor they have different mounts, different recording formats and most important the fs-100e lacks a lot of professional features such as HD-SDI Out, S-Log etc.
Ollder
4 months ago |“The A77 body only is back in Stock at Amazon (Click here). And so the kit version (Click here).”
…seems to be $ based prices, so probably in USA. Any news about kit in Europe?
David
4 months ago |Sony have lost the plot.
If theres one think we DON’T need, its more mid range bodies.
Wheelus
4 months ago |I don’t agree. The more entry level and mid range bodies the better. Many of those people will ultimately upgrade. People don’t start at the top. They progress and grow.
bas076
4 months ago |If the new body will have A77 AF system and better then A77 ISO performance, it can be some thing interesting to look for. If not, it will be one more camera in…, how somebody call it? – “interchargeable camera system”? Yes, exactly like this.
neeming
4 months ago |If it is the NEX-5N sensor, then ISO performance will be very close to that of A65, perhaps very slightly better.
I trust DxOMark’s test. A65 shares the same sensor with NEX-7. The lowlight performance scores for A65, NEX-7 and NEX-5N are: 710, 1016, 1079, respectively. Based on these numbers, you can predict that the NEX-5N sensor in a SLT body will have a lowlight performance score somewhere around 750. That would be virtually no advantage at all.
The problem is that NEX-5N sensor is not based on Sony’s state of the art sensor technology. NEX-7′s sensor is. If Sony had made a 16 MP sensor using the latest generation sensor technology, it would certainly beat NEX-7′s 24 MP sensor in the ISO performance by at least half a stop (with a DxOMark score around 1500, instead of 1079). But we don’t have that sensor. And we never will.
(Those who still don’t believe higher pixel density suffers worse ISO performance are simply doing some abstract math extrapolation in their mind; they’re not understanding the actual physics in the sensor fabrication).
Spoon
4 months ago |If a mere 50% drop in pixel density equals half a stop better high ISO performance for a given tech….how much does dropping a factor 6 help?
Because that’s the differences in pixel density between a D3S and V1/J1, while both have the same efficiency per area, according to DXO mark measurements.
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If you accuse others of not understanding the physics, it’s best not to throw around random numbers, such as that half a stop.
neeming
4 months ago |You are comparing two different technologies. What I said concerns different pixel densities for a given technology. If D3s and V1 used the same sensor technology, D3s should have about 2-3 stops of lowlight advantage (3 stops corresponds to 8 times). However, the exact result is not controlled by pure math here, but has to do with the physics, as I just mentioned.
Low light (high ISO) performance is proportional to the S/N ratio. Both signal level S per area and noise level N per area are affected by pixel density.
Per area signal level S drops as the pixel density increases due to photosite peripheral light loss (it wouldn’t be the case if it were merely a math question, because mathematically, the light falls on per area should not change with pixel density). The micro-mirrors have alleviated this problem, but has not completely solved it.
At the same time, per area noise level N increases as pixel density increases. This is much more complex. Part of that is because any light that is lost at peripheral tends to cause noises, so it is a sort of a double whammy. But other parts have to do with CMOS photosite operation.
The problem is that the truth is masked due to the biased choices made by sensor manufacturers. Nearly every time when you see a higher pixel density, it is based on a newer technology with an overall higher efficiency factor. Very seldom does a sensor manufacturer choose to make two different sensors with different pixel densities using exactly the same technology on the otherwise same conditions. That is, new and higher pixel densities nearly always gets helped by a newer technology, at least partially masking its lowlight disadvantage.
It is one thing to say one prefers more pixels than lowlight performance, it is quite another to say that pixel density has no effect on lowlight performance. That is just fancy mind games, contradicting to both the theory and reality.
If one so strongly believes an idea held in the head, and also believes that others are just pretending to be knowledgeable, it may land some credibility by putting forth a theory and some evidence. But of course, not everyone has time to do this. So I’m not demanding anything. And I’m not obligating myself to do thorough explanations either.
Matt
4 months ago |Do you even understand the difference between maths and physics? Or have they not taught you that yet in school?
neeming
4 months ago |Matt, do you always talk to people like this? If yes, I advise that you learn a little bit of manner. It will help you both socially and professionally. Your language makes me feel that I’m completely wasting my time here. But I hope that you are just having a rough day. Bye.
Spoon
4 months ago |No, I’m comparing the most efficient sensors currently available, both at 57% QE. And there happens to be a factor 6 between them in pixeldensity.
Simply put, they both are the pinnacle of what is possible now and even in theory there is less than a stop to be gained for both. That takes all the things you mentioned into account. Thus the question remains unanswered. Hoe do you translate a mere 33% (was too late to edit my last post) difference in pixeldensity into “atleast half a stop”? That’s just a baseless assumption, especially knowing the 24MP sensor already scores close to 50% QE.
This is not guesswork, this was measured, also by DXOmark to which you referred.
You’re not going to capture more photons than the lens allows to the sensor and with a read nose down to 2 to 3 electrons (thus shot noise limited), the above tells us that pixeldensity (for atleast a large range of sizes) is a rather unimportant factor when looking at the SNR at an image scale. Especially when fretting over a puny 33 or 50% difference.
Matt
4 months ago |Wel considering the a55 has a better ISO score than 750 you can bet this will be slightly (though almost unnoticeable) better than that. A55 from memory scored something like 850?
I don’t know where you get half a stop from – I’d like to see your ‘correct’ math on that one, because you clearly understand the sensor fabrication physics?!
‘We don’t have that sensor and never will’ – what are you babbling about now? So is that a 1500 score before or after the pellicle mirror?
neeming
4 months ago |I wouldn’t use the word “babbling” unless (1) I read what other people wrote at least twice carefully; (2) I happen to be in a very bad mood.
Anyway, I was saying that Sony is not going to use the latest technology to make a 16 MP APS-C sensor. Of course, it is just my prediction, meaning that I’d be very surprised (but glad) if they do. Do you think they will?
Also, the 1500 score I used was meant for a camera without pellicle mirror, but that was just for an illustration to show my belief that if Sony made a 16MP APS-C sensor sensor using the best sensor technology today, it shouldn’t be scored merely a bit over 1000, but should be much better than that. These illustrations are for a matter that is qualitative in nature. If you follow the logic but disagree with it, that’s fine.
neeming
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Spoon
4 months ago |We went from physics and math to belief, but you still haven’t answered the questions. How did you get to that half a stop?
Similar to how you think a D3s with V1 technology would be three stops cleaner than it already is? Which would translate into capturing 456% (57* 8 ) of all photons that hit the sensor?
Matt
4 months ago |I couldn’t reply to your other posts, so I will reply here instead:
If you are trying to talk in technical terms you are failing, saying it isn’t purely maths it’s physics tells me you don’t have enough of an idea what you are actually talking about. Keep it technical or non-technical, but don’t attempt to mix the two. You mention ‘new technologies’ without actually explaining what those technologies are – you are essentially asking people to trust what you are saying without providing any facts whatsoever apart from a few things you read on DXO mark. You are also trying to cover the fact that you don’t actually understand what you are talking about by saying things like it is more physics than pure math – of course it is bloody physics! Thus why I asked if you actually knew the difference, my suspicion is that you don’t.
The things you have been saying do not make any sense, it is like me saying ‘well the new ones are better because it was built by aliens and magic voodoo’. Either state your facts, or state a theory based on an educated guess. DON’T try to pass off as things being too complicated therefore actually skipping any factual information but at the same time trying to pass it off as fact. Every single one of your statements to date have been completely baseless but presented as ‘facts’ that are too complicated for you to try and explain to internet laymen.
YOU sir do not understand the actual physics in sensor fabrication.
danny
4 months ago |I don’t trust DxOMark sensor ratings for ISO too much. The A550 and A77 have same score of 800. I have both camera’s and the A77 performs clearly better at higher ISO’s.
bas076
4 months ago |They did good measurement. You don’t understand the rating they give, but this is not DxO problem.
Bryant
4 months ago |Maybe there will be a A75 use the same CMOS next two months.
Zstan
4 months ago |Finally a DSLT with grip! Apart from the a77. Was quite disappointed that a55/65 did not have such an option thus making my choice easier for not considering them at all.
march
4 months ago |Why sony keep announced new camera and dun announce new A77 firmware ? Somemore asia area still no stock for A77, Sony really can handle production when new A57 come out? *doubt doubt*
adam
4 months ago |nothing has been announced yet…its rumors site..not news site..maybe the latest A77 firmware will be release before March 13…maybe production is already on full capacity ..maybe new A Mount lens before march 13
…who knows..lets hope.
march
4 months ago |Yes, adam… Let’s hope …
SonyA77
4 months ago |You will not see A77 firmware before then. Sony UK have stated that there is no news on new A77 firmware.
If you think about it, all these bodies that they are bringing out are probably developed by the same firmware team, there will not be enough developers to tweak the A77 firmware as they will be doing new firmware for new cameras.
New cameras = bad news for A77 firmware upgrades.
BozemanMark
4 months ago |One of the supposed advantages of the SLT technology is the ability to make smaller, lighter cameras. The A55 was an excellent example; it was smaller and lighter than its competition, but produced comparable or better pictures. Making its successor the size of the A65 gives up that advantage. It makes more sense to have the A57 the same size as the A55. People who want bigger, heavier cameras can get the A65, A77, or A99 (when it comes out).
soulfly
4 months ago |I assume that A57 has actually 5N sensor instead of C3. But it’s also a possibility that both have the same sensor, with 5N having better optimization in processing. I don’t know, but someone probably know better than me.
And I also think that A57 would actually have slightly better features than A65 (excluding the image sensor resolution).
…because traditionally (since Minolta days) the 5-series and the 7-series are the main product.
Clyde
4 months ago |Flip up mirror? Of course, because Sony listens to her children.
Matt
4 months ago |What is this obsession with a flip up mirror? What you should really be asking for is a more sensitive AF system that doesn’t need 30% of the total light to operate. If the sensitivity can be increased than the amount of light required to operate the AF system can be reduced, sending more light to the sensor WHILE still having the advantages of SLT.
Raphael
4 months ago |That’s it!
Raphael
4 months ago |That’s it! And we could name it evolution of SLT. Perfect!
Raphael
4 months ago |That´s it! And we could just call this improvement evolution of slt. I believe and hope that there will be a better mirror (less light loss to sensor), at least in the A99.
ageha
4 months ago |They just need to go back to the dual sensor design of the previous generation that offered full phase AF with live view and no light loss!
Matt
4 months ago |Well no. That is of no use for video recording or having any true DOF information without resorting to CDAF or MF. Advantages of SLT are clear, they just need to work on reducing the disadvantages of SLT (light loss).
There were lots of other disadvantages to the older style live view in the older cameras, such as even smaller OVF (yes yes I know everyone loves to bash the EVF, but those OVFs with LV were tiny!). You had to switch modes (switch sensors) to get the DOF preview, whilst losing PDAF. No no it is just a bad idea.
If they can increase the sensitivity 3 fold (a bit of an ask probably) then we are down to 10% light loss, which I consider to be negligible. Maybe they can use PDAF with 10% light from mirror and CDAF with 90% of light on sensor to work together. Accurate, fast, and low light loss. Perfect
SonyA77
4 months ago |No thank you, I’ll stick the the light loss.
Awareme
4 months ago |Well got it. It’s the just body I’m fond of
Konstantin
4 months ago |So… Are they gonna give us any FF cameras?
I really need one, but don’t wanna go for 4 years old device.
BONNET
4 months ago |Please Sony put a joystick on the A57 ! The KM 5D has one… I am using it all the time.
I hope :
A35 entry level camera
A57 low res “expert” camera
A65 high functionnality (GPS high res) camera with same price than A57
A77 high end camera
Good job SAR ! Thanks…
Pacman
4 months ago |I hate to say this.
Sony keep pushing their entry level cameras while they failed to create one of the most important accessory (battery grip)! Why Sony?
OMG!
ageha
4 months ago |Finally an interesting SLT after the initial two models.
SonyA77
4 months ago |The A77 wasn’t interesting enough? How odd!
Adam
4 months ago |Ahemm – how do you count?
1. A55
2. A33
3. A35
4. A65
5. A77
So which two are you talking about?
bas076
4 months ago |The problem is that all the SLT models have some thing that user not realy want to buy. A77 is noisy and definitely have problems with picture quality, A65 is some not undestandble peace of A77, A55 have initial list of bugs/problems that always have first camera with new technology. A35…A35 is the entry level. So, may be the design to replays A55 is not so bad, even if it will decrease the A65 sales.
SonyA77
4 months ago |I’ll edit that for you:
“The problem is that all CAMERA models have some thing that user not realy want to buy.”
The A77 does not “definitely have problems with picture quality”. However the clueless definitely have problems getting the best from it.
bas076
4 months ago |Sorry if my english is some thing that regular reader not really want to read. It is not my native language
I can’t agree with you “editing”. There is a huge difference between some bounds in camera spec(possibilities) and “some thin that you not really want to buy.
And when I usially acking those monsters of A77/65 picture quality to give me the examples of clueness, some thing converted from RAW by default and without any PS or LR editing intervention, they always give me some thing that “definitely have problems with picture quality”. Ok, I am clueless, but why the clueness gives me such an examples? May be you the only one that can do it better? I want to see such RAW file, ISO 400 will be good!
Adam
4 months ago |There is no such thing as a raw-file without any intervention. The whole point of RAW is that you do the editing instead of the camera. So looking as at a “default” RAW does not make any sense at all. I want to be nice, but it really shows a lack of understanding of what RAW really is.
Adam
4 months ago |You have tried the A77 – I have not yet met a A77 owner that says that it “definately have problems with picture quality”.
itev
4 months ago |without micro-focus adjustment ?
Cyrus
4 months ago |If it is not same body as A55 (compact)…
Than it is useless…
Adam
4 months ago |why?
Cyrus
4 months ago |Today, if you want compact size…
you have to choose between the A35 and A55.
A35 No swivel/Tilt screen
A55 Problems with vidéo / overheating
How many people looking for a small camera are always asking what they should choose between both.
And they always end up with a compromise.
A 55 has to be upgraded to solve the first generation problems (Overheating, Battery life… Or even EVF, AVCHD2….)
But with similar size.
Dave
4 months ago |I was on the verge of getting the A65 and I am still thinking that if its going to continue in production and if its price is likely to go down; even a little then it might still be the camera for me.
Also – just right now I have an offer to buy a 16-50mm 2.8 lens from and A77 at a discount on the current price of about $100. My current thinking is that I should take that lens and then wait for firmer info on the A57 and make my mind up then. That lens is due for a $100 price increase in April.
Any thoughts on my thoughts?
Load Pull
4 months ago |This is such an important topic, thank you so much for sharing.