(SR5) NEX-9 will be more expensive than the RX1. What is your opinion?
I am talking a lot with my trusted sources about the future Full Frame NEX camera. The camera could be named NEX-9 and the sensor is likely going to be a new Full Frame 24 MP sensor. And it will be mroe expensve than the current RX1! There are mainly two challenges Sony is facing during the development:
1) The technical challenge:
Sony aims to create a High End Professional system that can match and if possible surpass the performance of PRO DSLR.
2) Marketing – price challenge:
The NEX-9 body only will be more expensive than the RX1. Price range should be in between $3,000 and $4,000. And lenses will be also very expensive!
Sony managers think that the point 1) has been solved with the work done by the engineer’s. What Sony managers are discussing now if there is a large enough market for the NEX-9. They see that Canon (6D) and Nikon (D600) released FF DSLR cameras for less than $2,000 and a NEX-9 may will have a hard time to justify their price compared to those. I have been expressly asked by my sources to ask you SonyAlphaRumors readers to share your opinions. And while I am absolutely not an expert I will do the first step by sharing mine:
1) First of all, Sony should not compare Apple and Oranges. A DSLR system is inherently different than a Mirrorless system. So stop comparing it with DSLR.
2) Market isn’t rational. Most of you know Henry Ford’s famous sentence: “If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses“. So please don’t waste your time in analysis of the current market, because there isn’t a market to analyze yet 
3) To take good pictures you just need a $100 compact camera. So if you ask me…”I don’t need the NEX-FF, nevertheless I want it and I will buy it“!I will buy it if it catch my emotions, if it’s kept simple and clean and if I can have a more “pure” photographic experience. Do we need a nice looking car? Nope, Do we need a nice looking Jacket no. But we are emotional animals not rational robots
4) In my eyes the A-mount FF system didn’t archive to become a serious challenger in the pro market. The E-mount Full Frame may be the first serious chance they have to get into the market. Make it backwards compatible with the current E-mount lenses (crop mode), make electronic adapters for Canon and Nikon lenses, create a system that is open and unique.
I could write for hours, but It’s time to read your opinion and probably you have better arguments than me!
But first of all a voting. Imagine Sony puts the right tech and the right features on the NEX-9. Imagine that there will be some nice lenses (including Zeiss) priced between $1,500 and $2,000…
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AbuBaqer
3 months ago |Hahahah…. wait.. hahahahaha…. I took it from Admin, Sorry
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Give a break mostly everyone here is speculating things.
Dear SAR Readers,
I had been 4 yrs reading those rumors. I learned one thing rumors is more exciting than Sony reality. Look at a77 for example. There were a very good rumors about it & who were testing said there are other copies w/ different features, but no one knew what will be the final copy of a77.The a77 need a software to solve some problems until writing my comment there is no such thing, NEX-7 too. What about a99 101 AF point. Sony surround it to 19 point all center, many replied it will be not so good it should in all frame before Sony release a99.The same things happened to a77,a99, a58 & NEX7 will be mistakes with this called NEX-9.
Look carefully, Sony didn’t response to our complaining to fix previous models problems. Sony just release a new camera +/- the same previous models to update software it’s easier for Sony to release a new camera body.
Andy Schulz
5 weeks ago |For me a FF mirrorless camera with or without an EVF viewfinder and interchangable lenses and I would be sold. 36 Megapixel and I would be in heaven:-))
So sony Nex9 with 36 Megapixel FF , small, with A, and E mount possibility and I as a Pro would change my system. Actually I have a Nikon D800E system and where is the new 36 Megapixel FF Dslr Model ?? I need this pixel size for big enlargements.
Brian
3 months ago |I’m actually shocked that so many comments were made on this topic. Less than one week ago we were prompted to supply questions to ask a Sony expert during a live online broadcast. Of the HUNDREDS of good questions asked on this website, not a SINGLE ONE was addressed by the completely incompetent Sony rep. Now we’re being asked again to waste our time with comments / suggestions that will ultimately fall upon deaf ears.
It’s quite obvious that Sony has ZERO interest in what we think. This camera will be released regardless – more than likely with the wrong features, priced out of the market, crippled intentionally to protect the sales of their other products, without sufficient lenses / accessories to properly support the platform, etc.
Once the camera does hit the market, it will be neglected support wise – i.e. laughable firmware updates, initial release full of bugs, and will soon be forgotten like the literal piles of other Sony cameras as they rush to make yet another body / platform.
These aren’t speculations, merely observations of how Sony has handled themselves in the past (and I’ve been given no reason to think otherwise). I currently own 5 Sony cameras, digital camcorder, and countless other electronics in my home and vehicles…a trend that has now stopped.
I’m not investing another penny into anything soiled by the Sony brand until they demonstrate that they’ve pulled their heads out of their asses far enough to have at least a tiny glimpse of what photographers require out of their equipment and demonstrate that they will support existing users who are heavily invested in their systems. End of story.
MRK
3 months ago |I think Brian has raised some valid points. It’s the lack of support and commitment that Sony has to it’s existing user base that makes me uncomfortable and uncertain about the future of the A-Mount. I will think long and hard investing in any more Sony products and a 3000-4000 pound Nex will certainly never be on my shopping list!
GK1128
3 months ago |over priced !
sevan
3 months ago |I will never buy a Nex-FF to any price without a viewfinder on board (like Nex7)
joe
3 months ago |It has to be cheaper and it has to have a viewfinder.
Steve
3 months ago |I am a Leica M9 user but I am interested in a FF Nex from Sony with better ISO and better hybrid viewfinder (similar to the one on Fuji X100). I am willing to pay around US$3-4K for this camera since it would still be far less than the new US$ 7K Leica M (and with better features like video I hope).
jeff
3 months ago |until sony demonstrates that it will support its users with frequent firmware updates that fix the many bugs that will undoubtedly be found, OR to support reasonable user requests that improve the product, there is no way i’d risk this kind of money on this. Sony doesn’t even properly support its Alpha line with firmware updates!!! Sony, u can keep the damn thing!
Black Z Eddie
3 months ago |This!
Joel Richards
3 months ago |After re-reading Andrea’s initial post I wanted to add that if the wording in point #1 is correct and the NEX-9 matches or exceeds PRO cameras than, yes, it may be worth the $$$. Now, with that said Sony itself bills the A99 as an enthusiast camera. So if the NEX-9 can barely match the A99 and yet costs more and is released a year later … poor sales. If the camera can go toe-to-toe with the 1DX or D4–at 24mpx–it is absolutely worthwhile and will eventually sell very well despite some initial sticker shock. The NEX-7 camera interface/size has proven to be a winner, with some further refinement and tweaking it will appeal to the pros, artists, and advanced/wealthy amateurs who are pay for the best when there is a solid return on investment.
mk-5
3 months ago |I am sorry if this is duplicated but I could not find my comment (there are quite a few!). I would be very tempted by the new FF NEX if it cost $3,000 but probably would not pay $4,000. I am an amateur that did pay $5,000 for the Nikon D3 when it first came out (I really wanted full frame) but camera values depreciate so much that I vowed never again to spend so much on a camera. Now I have a Nikon D600 which I do plan on keeping but I love the size of the NEX cameras. I also love to be able to use all different lenses with adapters. I have the NEX-5N (which is a great camera) and manual m-mount Zeiss, Takumar etc. lenses. Ever since I started using the 5N, I have been wanting this to be in full frame. I would love the new NEX to be 24 MP. I would rather the low-light sensitivity and do not want huge file sizes.
mach
3 months ago |Why Sony doesn’t understand the camera everyone is waiting for is a simple and light FF camera?
It doesn’t have to be fast nor exotic.
Lars
3 months ago |I do not think Sony needs yet another system. It will take years and years before there are enough lenses for this new system. It will also alienate customers that have already bought into the expensive Alpha-mount lenses (like the Zeiss lenses).
Keep the NEX-series on APS-C and make more lenses/accessories for it. Find a way to make an Alpha-mount NEX-sized camera with a full frame sensor. This solves the whole issue of dealing with full frame lenses. Why make a new range when you already have one? Perhaps even start developing smaller full frame lenses for the Alpha mount.
I am thinking that there must be some technology that can allow for a shorter distance from the Alpha-mount lens to the camera sensor. I am thinking some kind of glass element that can be a part of the camera that will shift the focus distance, allowing the camera to be smaller and without a translucent mirror.
Dan1k
3 months ago |This is a small concern with the NEX line. The original battery, its what 1080mAh. I’m sure NEX-7 eats up batteries faster than 3 and 5. All everybody does is just buy another battery, but what if the FF NEX-9 eats batteries 2X faster. Its going to suck to change batteries 3X or more(just photos) a day. Start video recording and you’ll need 5+ batteries to get you though the day.
lets see…
NEX-7 approx. Power consumption: 1.5W(APS-C) +EVF(2359k) Battery: InfoLITHIUM® NP-FW50 (7.2V) Capacity: 7.7Wh (1080mAh)
EVF(2359k) default brightness approx. Power consumption: 0.2W (tested, the EVF consumes more power than the screen)
RX1. approx. Power consumption: 2.0W ( FF ) no-EVF Battery: NP-BX1 Volts : 3.6V Capacity: 4.5Wh (1240mAh)
NEX-7n approx. Power consumption: 1.7-1.8W(New APS-C) +EVF(3800k) Battery: InfoLITHIUM® NP-FW50 (1080mAh)
NEX-9 approx. Power consumption: 2.3-2.4W ( FF ) +EVF(3800k or more) Battery: InfoLITHIUM® NP-FW50 (1080mAh)
NP-FW50 use of hours
NEX-7 100% charge, 25% (33% heavy use with built in flash) per hour =4-3.3hrs non-stop use. Photos only.
NEX-7n 100% charge, 0.2W more power consumption ?hrs
NEX-9 100% charge, 0.8-0.9W more power consumption ?hrs
Sony please make a 2160mAh NEX cameras if possible. (don’t forget that the battery is draining 24/7, charging the internally battery to save all your settings)
animalsbybarry
3 months ago |PIXEL POWER !!!
WTH
3 months ago |Sony hear you, but they don’t care!
animalsbybarry
3 months ago |MORE PIXEL POWER !!!
mojo
3 months ago |Will there be a childish menu system? (please learn from Ricoh GXR/GRD)
Will firmware fixes be released willingly? (please learn from Fuji)
Will there be firmware feature enhancements for product maturity (please learn from Ricoh)
Will there be an AA filter? (please learn from Fuji)
Will the controls suit a pro or semi-pro? (please learn from Fuji / Contax)
Can it use existing zeiss / leica quality glasses or do we have to buy into a new unproven lens system?
Can a lens adapter be provided to suit a majority of lenses out there? (please learn from Metabones)
Will it have the cons of rx1 stated on web reviews? (please learn from your past mistakes)
Minolta man
3 months ago |Yes, I would buy it, at 4000, If:
Low noise
Better IQ than a99
Very terrible autofocus issue resolved
Accepts a lenses without loss of max aperture
Must launch with at least one truely great lens:
Hologon would be by far the obvious choice
Super slow motion, like in “the art of flight” , meaning 1000 frames per second at full hd, I would gladly pay another 1000 for the needed storage device
4k recording
Pro layout. Meaning buttons and dials, no menu crap! At least as many as a99
Minolta man
3 months ago |The fact that I would absolutely by the camera as specified above, should not be taken to mean at I am not disappointed by Sony. Allot has been said, let me ad what bothers me most:
1 the autofocus issue: seen on a57, a77 and by others also on a99. The camera will focus, and in movie mode keep focus, on things that are it in center, and not human, while subject is right and large in center. Happens only every so often, but very very fristrarpting when it does.
More general:
We need pro level stuff. Be it a d4 killer, or lenses, something the shows Sony is not the poor mans Nikon.
I have been with Minolta since my da got the 7000 back in 80s.
But I can never recommend a person start into this system. Sony has nothing that canikon does not have, but they have so much that we do not.
A ff no mirror camera is the future, this is clear from a technical reality, but if you want us to follow there prove to us we get system that has amazing tools in it, not just another pure amateur line.
Hence my list of technical top of the hill features and the hologon.
Contax sold allot of the g2, they new the hologon is perfect to show the advantage of not having a mirror box.
And do it fast, I for one am getting a d800 instead of he a99.
Minolta man
3 months ago |Apologies: I mean “does NOT fochs on subject in center”, of course, damn iPad!
byhyew
3 months ago |User opinion to the Sony statement:
1. Sony, you may be dreaming, but you’re there all by yourself. If you can’t even match the sales of enthusiast fullframe DSLRs from Canon and Nikon with your newest A99, what makes you think you can now surpass their pro fullframes?
2. Sony only cares about profit. The main concern of Sony is wether we can accept their asking price. If not, then why not ask us about the specs of the camera that we want for us$3000-4000?
Sony, shame on you!
JoeCM
3 months ago |Not sure why the NEX-9 would be more expensive when the lens supposedly accounts for 1/3 to 1/2 the cost of the RX1. No lens with the NEX-9. Yes, adding in things like a 3.2mp EVF from the NEX-7n and I could see it being priced about the same as the RX1 but in the $3000 to $4000 range? No way.
ProfHankD
3 months ago |I can see lots of potential tech advances, such as sensor anti-shake and uncompressed 4K video support, being sufficient to justify a $3000+ price for pros, but a 24MP FF NEX at $3000+ is going to be a niche product. No doubt a lot of effort is being put into things like fast autofocus to make this the “one camera that would rule them all,” but that’s largely playing into the “compete with CaNikon” mindset.
I think the sensel pitch of a 24MP APS-C is roughly getting all that most 135-format lenses have to offer, and I’d encourage keeping that pitch in the FF sensor — around 54-56MP FF. Making just that change to a NEX-7 at a roughly $2000 price point would result in a camera that would be compelling for pro work that had been using medium format, as well as leading many CaNikoners to jump ship just to get better IQ out of their CaNikon lenses. It would be seen largely as the serious “digital film back” for pro lenses… which is a large part of how NEX is contemplated by pros now. You can and will tack the other features on later models….
Emir
3 months ago |If this Nex is to cost 3-5000 it better have 36 MP. Make also a budget version (6D / D600 price range) with 24 MP.
simon
3 months ago |what? 24mp more expensive than a nikon d800? doesn’t make a lot of sense if you ask me. make it 36mp, or 40mp same price range as a d800 that’s what it has to be. so I guess I’ll go with a nex7n and a speedbooster.
Alejandro
3 months ago |1. Sony NEX cameras seem to be a hit (but I need numbers), that´s a perception that one “feels” after reading reviews,even from pros.
2. Sony NEX cameras are exciting for several kind of users, but there are pros and people semi-pro that love the following features: small package, high image quality, efficient performance (fast and good AF mainly).
3. The size and weight are becoming in specifications very-very important to many users, for “pros” and “the others”. For pros it means low intrusion, discretion and comfort when one works outside long periods of time; for “the others” is an “echo” of the tendency marked by the market of tablets, laptops, etc.
4. Among pros, the weakness of NEX system are the lenses and some inferiority in high ISOS respect DSLR.
5. Another weak points of NEX system arise from an AF that should be better and many features about comfort: ergonomic buttons (yes, NEX 7 shows a great work in this aspect) more options about bracketing, etc.
So, I was very close to switch from Canon to Sony when appeared the NEX 7, and when appeared the Oly OM DEM 5, and when appeared the Fuji X Pro 1, etc. But I am waiting maybe the following generation: better IQ, better AF, better lenses system (here Fuji is working hard) and those features I own with my DSLR ff.
I could consider pay a proportional price to those features: I understand that -if it´s possible building that gear- I have to pay a premium for a camera that works like a DSLR but in a very-very meaningful smaller and lighter body.
Don
3 months ago |I decided not to wait for the NEX7 Replacement when I heard the NEX FF would definitely arrive in 2014, I decided to keep using my DSLR system for a while longer. But it seems SONY wants to stretch its NEX9 to $4,000, and I just think most of us want a NEX FF body under $3,000. The current survey numbers reflect this. Sony refers to the $2,800 RX1 with its 2.0 Zeiss lens. True no EVF, which will be a must for the NEX9. SONY has a real market for this new FF, but it needs to remedy previous NEX drawbacks. SONY should get this FF right with an attractive price point, image stabilization, a fast NEX6 Hybrid type AF, hopefully, some significant degree of water resistance, and some FF compatible E Zeiss glass at less than $1,500 for primes. We’re waiting SONY!
Tony Le
3 months ago |I like NEX9FF able to use with leica M lens without adapter.
Phil
2 months ago |What I want to see is a camcorder like the cx series with a full frame sensor. Thevg900 has a great sensor but misses many features found in cx camcorders like smooth slow record, balanced optical steady shot, 10 times optical zoom. I don’t want to lose these great features when I get a better sensor. Slow motion/high frame is particularly important
Geert L
2 months ago |I would like NEX9FF able to use with leica R(!) lenses with(!) adapter, similar to Leica M…
Gryoung
2 months ago |Full frame w/ w/a & 90mm would be very desirable in a small package. Must have build quality though.
Sanyi
4 weeks ago |My wishlist:
> 24 Mp
Easy focus peaking for manual Leica R lenses.
Faster than 1/4000 plus Bulb with remote & delay timers
Low ISO of 50 or 100.
High ISO clean enough to use > 12,000.
Useable Jpegs of good colour.
Max
2 weeks ago |When Sony releases the FF NEX9 for $3000 – I will run out to my nearest Sony store the morning of the release and wait in line to show them the Nikon 800e I bought the night before.
Memografico
2 weeks ago |If sony is really serious in competing against Canon and Nikon in the DSLR arena, then they should deliver a camera like this:
1. Full Frame.
2. 40 Mpix
3. ISO 50-25000
4. 64 Focusing Points with at least 10 cross-type
5. 15 FPS (it has to be blazing, scorching fast for sports)
6. Ultrafast accurate focusing.
7. A 50mm 1.2, 85 mm 1.2, 35 mm 1.4, 14mm 2.8, 28-300mm 5.5 lenses, preferably coming from Zeiss.
8. Magnesium body. No plastic feel at all.
9. Hybrid VF (optical for 100% accuaracy + digital info (E.C, ISO, etc)
All in a package as big as a NEX 7.
In that way, I will sell my Leica M9-P, My Canon EOS 1DX and I’ll call it even steven. Otherwise, let others play along with subpar cameras.