(SR5) Some good news rumors :)
I got a bunch of new info from top sources:
1) Some of them (my sources) saw that you were concerned about the 500 shot autonomy of the A77. They wanted me to tell you that you are limited with 500 shots only when shooting in LCD mode! If you use the built-in viewfinder you will be able to take many more pictures!
2) On the A65 and A77 you can enable or disable the automatic lens correction (Vignetting, Chromatic Aberration and more).
3) It has AF fine tuning! Over 30 lenses can be “stored”.
4) With multiframe you can go up to 25.600 ISO
5) The new external viewfinder for the NEX-5n is “flexible” (don’t know if that means something more than tiltable)
6) Time lag to take a picture is only 0,02 sec!
7) All sources do repeat to me the AF is extremely fast and more accurate than Nikon and Canon cameras. They cannot give me data yet but they made some testing that do confirm that!
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BMan
10 months ago |ISO in the “hundreds of thousands”
*cough* *cough*
Nikon will still rule the high ISO it seems.
RDoe
10 months ago |Oww well, do not mind that. Didn’t even believe it in the first place. I rather see good image quality and dynamic range and the beautiful colors of Sony in stead of the pale photos of Nikon.
I would love to see these rumors be extrapolated to a new A900! I will run to the bank if that happens!
Atmo-Sphere
10 months ago |Nikon indeed still rules the high ISO …..at FOUR times the price and At HALF the resolution!!….and FullFrame.
If sony would make a camera with these specs and enormously high price….they would probably kick NIKON’s ass.
In fact…wait for the A99 for a more fair comparison.
z
10 months ago |If you’re talking about D3s alone which indeed you are, then yes it is.
But Nikon in general with the same price range deliver better ISO performance most of the time or more like all the time. But ISO performance is not everything. That’s why Nikon always came behind Canon which has worse ISO performance.
And while Sony lose on ISO, we still have a lot more to offer. Look at flickr see if pros ever goes out of ISO 50-100-200. The DR and color depth are always the best at that range.
Sky_walker
10 months ago |As far as I agree with anything else: “Look at flickr see if pros ever goes out of ISO 50-100-200.” – PROs (like in The Legend of Truly Professional Photographer and the Dragon) use the sensitivity they need to make good photos. If they shoot in dark places and can’t use flash – they will use much higher ISO, if conditions allow they will use lower one.
There isn’t such rule that Pros don’t ever go for higher sensitivities. Especially if the pros we talk about are wedding photographers 
Carl
10 months ago |If we can truly call the people who shoot weddings “photographers”.
Whoops, now I’ve said it!!
Sky_walker
10 months ago |Hehehe, yea, I know that every time I call wedding-shooters a photographers one great photo gets spoiled somewhere in the world, but… they still earn money from photography.
Carl
10 months ago |The ones who shoot 40+ weddings a year earn far, far more than I do. And good on them for it, too.
Lofote
10 months ago |Why do wedding photographers need ISO > 16.000? I shoot concerts in dark rooms with minimal light shows and I rarely need more than ISO 3200 getting 1/60-1/100 shutter speed. Even when you want more depth of field (i.e. close the aperture more) you still can do more than enough with ISO 6.400 in my opinion.
Carl
10 months ago |It depends on how and where you shoot of course.
If you’re shooting something moving with a short telephoto (say 135mm for arguement’s sake) you’d need at least 1/250, probably more, to get a clear photo with good dependability. Of course, image stabilisation will screw that up and let you get away with 1/80 or something. At base ISO and f2.8, you’d need at least 8 EV of light to pull that off, which is less than you’re going to find in a dark church. If someone’s personal style involves longer focal lengths, greater depth of field, more movement, or the interior is especially dark, it’s perfectly conceivable to sometimes need seven stops more light in extreme cases.
Most people would simply use a flash, though.
Raghav
10 months ago |Its not just about how high ISO somebody will use. Basically, when the rumors were going around that the A77 can take the ISOs in the Hundreds of Thousands, the real hidden excitement was that we can probably get clean results even upto ISO6400 maybe even clean ISO12800.
In reality I don’t think anyone would ever use ISO102400, but the fact that the sensor supports such sensitivities would probably mean cleaner lower ISOs. And that was the real attraction.
As of now, Sensitivity upped from 12800 (A580) to 16000 isn’t much of a gain even though the resolution has gone up from 16MP to 24MP. I would personally have loved a 16MP sensor with much better high ISO performance and another 24MP sensor for Studio & Good Light use. I am willing to bet that the 16MP sensor with better ISO performance would have sold much more in the market.
Steve Jones
10 months ago |“see if pros ever go out of iso 50-200″
I suggest you do a bit of photography at a music gig or other indoor venue where flash isn’t allowed. Or maybe sports photography in other than optimal light or indoors.
Edgars
10 months ago |It would be nice if in concert would be possible to use 1/500 and f/8.
Gabriel
10 months ago |By definition, “profesional” photographer is someone who derives his income from photography… Anyone with little or suffice knowledge on photography could earn money out of it, so that mediocre person could perfectly be a “professional” photographer.
Real pro’s, masters of photography, or whatever you want to call them, don’t do wedding photography, they make art and they prefer to have some sort of control over the quality and quantity of light they are using to sculpt an envisioned image… Therefore, they don’t use high ISO, because they won’t compromise the quality of their work by adding unwanted grain or noise to their master pieces…
So no, High ISO performance is not necessary at all, at least not for a real photographer. Although enthusiasts, “pro’s” and regular users in general, may consider high ISO performance as a plus.
z
10 months ago |Considering ISO is always a result of 50x2x2x2x2x2… The first number with 16 in it is 1,638,400 okay I’ll stop..
Steve Jones
10 months ago |I make that 15 stops from base, not one.
Scott
10 months ago |I guess Kodak portra 160 did not exist? Or Kodachrome 64? Stops are based on the square root of 2, not 50. ISO can be any number you want it to be, if designed correctly.
Steve Jones
10 months ago |you are quite right – that’s 30 stops. It’s because the amount of light is down to the area of the aperture and the f stop is the aperture diameter divided by the focal length.
It I’m going to make a pun, then I ought at least get it right. In any case, none of this particular sub-thread was meant seriously at all…
Atmo-Sphere
10 months ago |I’m indeed talking about the d3S..because that’s the one Nikon rules the ISO world with.
Ok..they do a good job of ‘pulling’ every last drop of performance out of the (mostly) Sony sensors….but….AFTER Sony has invested the time and money to develop the base-technology. They just spend a few of the bucks they saved doing so in improving on the peripheral hardware and software to make better use of basically the same sensor….smart…but also a little lame…because they never boldly introduce really NEW and daring approaches. That has always been the ‘task’ of Minolta and after that Sony. I even think that is why Minolta has ‘failed’ commercially; TOO daring and TOO innovative for the pretty conservative (and backwards compatibility demanding) professionals.
I must admit that i like the (semi-)pro Nikon’s as well. I have used the Nikon D200 and 300(s) once..and they just have a very good…ehrr…feel about them. The D7000 (for example) is also a terrific camera for its money.
About the high ISO performance: i DO think it is a very big deal…because most of the ‘moody’ ‘romantic’ pictures with an impressive Atmo-Sphere (hehe) are taken with basically a crappy little bit of light…and many times not too much colour variation and /or dynamic range.
DR however is also a GREAT interest to me. That’s why i use HDR so much. It would be great if the A77 also performs very good in that field. I hope they not only have improved the DR of the sensor..but also make bracketing with many exposures and great intervals possible. I can hardly wait!!!
Atmo-Sphere
10 months ago |True…the reason most pro’s (and other people that take great photos) avoid the higher ISO’s is: ……because they come with such a great PRICE to pay (yah..noise noise noise)
I think that D3s owners probably use higer iso’s all the time…
Cant we investigate that?
Sergei
10 months ago |Pros don’t mind any ISO, once good lighting is achieved and the exposure is spot on, even a850 works at 4000 – 5000 with clean results. Nikon is good at exposure – pretty obvious. I use full range of iso on my a850 when I have to with this in mind – that’s it:)
Carl
10 months ago |You must be a master to get usable ISO 5000 shots. The highest I’ve personally ever had a usable result out of was 2500, and that was by the skin of its teeth.
David
10 months ago |Carl, it depends what you mean by “useable”
How are you “using” these photos. Are you viewing them at 100%? Or making enormous prints? If you resize that huge 24mp image, the noise reduces a lot. You can reduce the image to 50% and still have a large 12mp image. You could easily print a great quality A3 size print from an a850/900 at an ISO higher than 2500!
I find 6400 on my a850 to be noisy, but there is still a LOT of detail. And with a bit of noise reduction and resizing the image, you get rid of most of it and leave a ton of detail.
Carl
10 months ago |Well, it’s subjective of course. To me “useable” simply means something I like looking at. I tend to make that decision by looking at them digitally at around 33%. Prints are less noisy, but I don’t print stuff that doesn’t pass my standards, so it’s catch 22.
Lofote
10 months ago |There are situations where you can’t avoid higher ISO unless you want a non-sharp image due to to long shutter speed or rather don’t shoot a picture at all. Of course in a studio you will never need ISOs even beyond ISO 200, but on-location shootings with available light often force you to use a higher ISO… That does not have anything to do with “pros” or “non-pros”.
Atmo-Sphere
10 months ago |@Gabriel: what we are looking for is: being able to use higher ISO WITHOUT compromising the quality of the image….by development of sensor technology with extreme sensitivity, combined with virtually no electric base-noise (because it’s amplified as well when we switch to higher ISO’s)….so….we DO need high ISO performance…so we CAN up the ISO without losing the picture. Flash and tripod are NOT the answer to everything…especially when atmosphere and/or movement is involved.
Kalpurush :)
10 months ago |So waht? “They” won’t be able to match the IQ of Sony IMHO
fotowolf61
10 months ago |I guess the automatic ISO range is 100-6400, with manual extension to 50 and 12800 + 25600 multiframe. Or like with the A70/A850/A900 models automatic ISO between 100-1600 and manual ISO 50 + up to 12800 including 25600 multiframe. Would be ok for me
.
I still dont believe the ISO 16000 as upper range. Makes no sense and seems to be a misunderstanding to me.
Lofote
10 months ago |Why is ISO 16000 unbelievable? Why need high ISO be one of full aperture steps? It’s simply ISO 12.800 + 1/3 step. Totally logical.
Myst
10 months ago |i though it was multi shot, and taht iso would go to at least 25.600, but 16000 is fine as long as the sensor is 24mp and iso 100 will be nice and clean.
TheHacker
10 months ago |Yes, was the most anticipated feature for me.
DalaaBacho
10 months ago |Nikon and Canon have been in the game for a while… there is something to say for Sony sensors when these power houses in the camera industry calls on Sony for their technology… This is honestly the first REAL effort that Sony has made to challenge the likes of Canon and Nikon. Sony has nothing to loose in this because they are expected to be #3 having been in the DSLR market only since 2005/6 so if thier product is still 2nd or 3d to Canon and Nikon they dont loose at all… to be able to challenge these Giants at all… is inpressive.
I like Sony as a company their innovation and ability to think outside the box is unmatched… sometimes it doesnt payoff but more often than not their products are revolutionary….
john
10 months ago |An interesting read:
http://luminous-landscape.com/essays/quality-vs-value.shtml
Anyone who thinks the price difference between the Nikon D3X and the Sony A900 is justified are crazy.
“Nikon fans were both excited and depressed when the D3x was announced. It appeared to be an exciting new flagship for the company, breaking Canon’s nearly eight-year-long dominance of high resolution pro-level camera bodies, but at over $8,000 the price seemed a bridge too far, as I called it at the time.
Why? Because of two things. The D3 camera, which is absolutely identical to the D3x other than for its sensor, costs $4,000. This means that the sensor alone in the D3x is costing us a cool $4 grand. But the Sony A900 also has a 25 Megapixel sensor and sells for under $3,000 – less than the cost of the Nikon sensor alone! What’s with that, especially since it is now known that these two camera’s sensors share the same underlying Sony fabricated silicon, so chip yield can’t be a significant factor?”
To join “The Club” you have to become Nikon’s Prison Bitch
Club benefits include:
Brand security
Bigger Lens Inventory
Pro Support
David
10 months ago |This is an APS-C camera
And the a580 already equals the best Nikon APS-C camera from any other manufacturer, since they all use the same sensor.
And it is likely that the a77 will be better than the a580, so really Sony rules the high ISO for APS-C and Nikon rules it for full frame.
Jon
10 months ago |No one gives a crap about nikon’s high iso performance, not many people even uses 3200 iso for fucks sake, using high iso gives you an image with lost of detail and high noise levels, if you are going to take a picture on a dark environment use a flash, thats what flash are made of.
SLTPro
10 months ago |Sounds brilliant…damn I can’t wait to get my hands on this little monster!
Raul S.
10 months ago |Sony: “AF fine tuning for the people..!”
[ the crowd stands up praising the feature =D ]
matgay
10 months ago |this means the camera does the fine tuning then stores each lens profile??? if so would save a ton of time tedious to do manually. why they take this long to add such micro tuning automatic feature?
Kalpurush :)
10 months ago |Shouldn’t you be thankful now?!
fotowolf61
10 months ago |It is the same feature like for the A850/A900, which is practically sufficient. Still there is room for improvements with tele lenses.
I am glad to see an automated lens correction feature. Does that mean the lens quality gets more worth?
Pascal645
10 months ago |Thanks! Any comments on image quality at base ISO?
Does anyone know what AA filter is used? Strong, weak, none at all ;o) ?
Carl
10 months ago |I can’t see a situation where it has no AA filter and no one mentions it, so it almost certainly has one.
Given the pixel density of a 24MP APS sensor, and the correspondingly high Nyquist limit, it would be normal to have a fairly weak filter. But then, the A900 has a stronger filter than is needed for its resolution, so that’s no guarantee. Hopefully Sony has learnt that lesson.
matgay
10 months ago |a850/900 is sadly not auto tune. it only stores profile for manual tuning. please let it be auto
Wishmaster
10 months ago |5) That’s not good news
Rest of those news are very good news indeed
Kizu
10 months ago |thats great news! AF speed on NEX 7 is also improved?
happy_bird
10 months ago |I just have one question: nex-7 not coming, is not it?
xenical
10 months ago |What I would be interested in knowing is does the A77 retain in camera HDR processing and the sweep panorama feature?
Robby Ticknor
10 months ago |I hope that it can do a HDR function when shooting raw… My a550 forces me back in to jpg mode if i want to use the auto HDR feature.
also, and word on bracketing? can i manually set the number of brackets (3/5/7) and manually set the ev distance? My a550, for some stupid reason, has limited bracketing to a useless maximum ev distance of .07 ev… i want 2ev for good hdr…
Aaron
10 months ago |It probably will have bracketing up to 2EV, I only say this because the a700 has the ability to set up a bracket mode with a specific interval other than the .2 and .7ev which I agree is not what I wanted when I had my a100. Since this is the a700 replacement, i’ll assume that functionality carried through.
knurd
10 months ago |Not surprised at the 500 shot battery. With the EVF I was assuming the old rumor of 1000 shots to be with the battery grip. I still think 500 is pretty good. If you need more than that then buy the grip, more batteries or learn how to take good pictures instead of a lot of pictures. Pros will have multiple bodies anyways so I’m sure this would not be a problem if this is a backup cam.
Kalpurush :)
10 months ago |Love the 2nd feature – so happy!
Many thanks Andrea – you made my day!! And you – Sony, too!!!
crim
10 months ago |+1
..if it also corrects lens distortion.
Ngee Key
10 months ago |I have been following this rumors site for a long time. Each time there is a new rumor on A77, my heartbeat beats faster. 2 more weeks to the announcement. I have been waiting to get rid of my old Canon camera so that I can concentrate on getting awesome pictures with this A77. Hope there is no more delay. Everyday is good news and really look forward
Carl
10 months ago |20ms shutter lag is certainly an improvement, though still a ways off the 6ms set by the canon EOS-1n RS. Hopefully the flash lag will also get a significant upgrade.
I’d be keen for more than 30 different entires for AF tuning in future cameras. If you’re the type to play around with alt lenses (M42 or whatever), and use one adaptor per lens, it’s not unusual to end up with more than 30.
SonyA77
10 months ago |I think you’d have to be very unusual to want AF tuning on 30 lenses!
Carl
10 months ago |Manual focus lenses can use the focus confirmation dot. You can also improve the focus accuracy of them using AF tuning.
Without live-view, the dot is the only way I can reliably focus my slower screw mount lenses on my A900.
Jennzhen
10 months ago |I’m not worried. It will take me years (if ever) to collect 30 lenses. By then Sony would have improved it into higher number.
Steve Jones
10 months ago |There is not be a DSLR available which can get near 20ms. The Nikon D3 manages 41ms and the EOS-1D Mark IV is 40-55ms.
A figure of 20ms is a mighty performance for what is an enthusiast’s model – the equivalent Canon models are around the 60ms region. However, the real test will be if the EVF allows for accurate tracking during high speed bursts.
Carl
10 months ago |No one else makes digital reflex cameras with a fixed pellicle mirror, so that’s only natural. Moving mirrors takes time.
I actually expected Canon to make a pellicle variant not long after the original 1D (as they did in the film era), but to date my expectations have been confounded. I guess if you already have 50+% market share there’s little reason to think outside the box, though.
john
10 months ago |Yup Canon are fat and lazy.
Taki
10 months ago |In A55/A33, using evf takes more battery then using LCD, but in A77 it is reversed? real or typo here? Thanks if admin can clarify.
Terryfried
10 months ago |as i said earlyer oled are more power eficent so evf does not drain much power.
Taki
10 months ago |I see. Thank you for your reply.
fotowolf61
10 months ago |@Admin Andrea:
Do you have any SR5 rumors about the sensor? Is it a Bayer type filter pattern or something different like in the Sony F65 4HD video cam?
Ollder
10 months ago |After earlier rumors I really expected at least 25.600 ISO and it doubled to 50200 by multiframing. But actually the numbers are not important but the final quality of image. And some 16.000/25.600 is more than enough if usable! I still have my money waiting for A77
(Hopefully even some of my Minolta Dynax 600si equipment are still suitable…)
john
10 months ago |No camera now has a native(non boosted) ISO above 12800
Not APS-C Not Full Frame and certainly not Medium Format.
Here is the ISO settings from the current raining ISO champ
Nikon D3s:
ISO 200, 400, 800, 1600, 3200, 6400, 12800 (100-102400 with boost)
IMHO Mulitframe NR may be more usable than boosted hi ISO
emopunk
10 months ago |I hope people keep in mind that multi frames NR is useless for action / concerts / weddings and all these kind of low light situations. It makes sense only when you shoot landscapes, and hopefully you have some kind of tripod (if you want to make the best out of it).
Don Cox
10 months ago |I think the maximum ISO is of less interest than the base ISO. This decides what shutter speeds and apertures can be used at full quality.
The higher ISOs are like pushing underexposed film. How far you can go depends on how much loss of quality you can tolerate.
Maxwell
10 months ago |Has any earlier Sony camera had in camera vignetting or chromatic aberration correction? Can’t remember that so maybe that is also new features?
But if included, it should be possible to disable also.
Any news about support for 14 bit RAW files?
What I am really waiting to get an answer on is if the dynamic range is
better than A580/D7000/D5100/K5 (also A55) or equal. If it is less I might
think about waiting… well I am not sure and time will tell.
vulgatron
10 months ago |This camera seems to be better everyday!
Im afraid the final price will be to high for me though,
but if not maybe I’ll sell my gh2 + lenses…
What’s the size of the cam, similar to the a55? smaller than canons?
SonyA77
10 months ago |Look at the dimensions of the Sony A700, it’ll be similar to that. It’s a “proper” sized camera, not a toy sized one.
Max Kimmich
10 months ago |I think it will be a tad biggerm, if not the same size as the A700
Hellven
10 months ago |why are 14 bit RAW files importante, are they better then the 12 bit?
SonyA77
10 months ago |Marketing. Nikon do 14 so Sony have to.
brizmako
10 months ago |Holy smokes, more great news! 8-D This is going to be a Jesus-camera for sure (miraculous)…
@Admin – anything about tethering yet?
@vulgatron – the consensus seems to be that it’s same size as A700, good size.
Pacman
10 months ago |start singing LOVE LOVE LOVE… by Jason Mraz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM6b_8yp9MM&ob=av3e
how about intervalometer feature?
Pacman
10 months ago |sorry that’s hope feat. jason m.
physica
10 months ago |the only good news , are the NEX-7 will announce tomorrow
Kizu
10 months ago |i thougt it will be announced along with the a77, lenses and so on..?
SonyA77
10 months ago |Anybody else thinking that the A77 specification is too good to be true? As the announcement gets closer, the more nervous I get.
Kalpurush :)
10 months ago |I am now worried about the $$$ !!!
Pacman
10 months ago |forget about the price tag…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMxX-QOV9tI&feature=related
Duarte Bruno
10 months ago |LOL. Wasn’t expecting that but it’s great anyway!
Thanks!
Simon_P
10 months ago |Difficult to make up my mind, whether Nex 7 or a77…
Kizu
10 months ago |same here!
Jennzhen
10 months ago |I never thought I would regret buying NEX-5 … I thought it would remain the best of mirorless for at least another year or two. Dang Sony for making such a huge progress within a year. Can’t believe the improvement on NEX-7.
I really want one!
Yet I also want A77 … choices choices choices …
emopunk
10 months ago |I guess they’re aimed at different kind of photographers..
Kiril
10 months ago |Andrea,
any clue if A77 or NEX-7 or hopefully both will work in studio?
meaning that the EVF and/or the display can display picture without trying to mimic the exposure settings
Pacman
10 months ago |Adrea, let me answer this.
As long as you have battery power a studio set-up is not a problem.
Hope I might be able to answer your cravings.
SonyA77
10 months ago |Pacman, I don’t think you have understood the question.
Kiril is asking about the bug that the A3x/A5x have where the EVF goes dark when using manual and studio flash.
I think that because the A77 has a flash sync socket, they will have fixed this problem.
Pacman
10 months ago |SonyA77, haven’t you read my answer? It’s not a problem anymore! [period]
SonyA77
10 months ago |Pacman. The A3x/A5x series do not work with studio flash, you get a dark EVF.
I am not interested in any workaround and haven’t a clue what you mean by “As long as you have battery power a studio set-up is not a problem.” That makes no sense to me at all.
Out of the box, without any workarounds, the A3x/5x series EVF does not work with studio flash.
The concern is, has this been fixed on the A77.
Robby Ticknor
10 months ago |I agree, this has not answered anything.
i want to make sure the a77′s evf does not always try to replicate the exposure it’s seeing… because when using studio strobes in a dark studio (low key lighting), before the strobes fire, the exposure is pitch black. In this case, i want the evf to ignore trying to ‘display’ what the exposure would be, and rather,kick in maximum light amplification so i can compose my shots.
Scott
10 months ago |I think what Pacman is saying, is if you have batery power to operate the EVF, you should be able to see via the view finder, regardless of exposure settings and ambient light level. While not an answer, it is an allusion to an answer. however, I must question the source of this information , if it is infact what is trying to be said, as i have not seen this answered one way or another.
Birarri
10 months ago |Does anyone want to buy a A33?? haha…. gaaah, i want this awesome camera :O it will kick some canikon asses!!
Terryfried
10 months ago |Andrea
“automatic lens correction” reminded me of somthing. Has sony been in tooch with Adobe about the A77, nex-7 etc being inc in the next update of LR and ACR ?
Please
10 months ago |Is there any information about the A77 and tethering? Would love to be able to take complete control with my lap top, would be the nail in the coffin for me and would be some nikon gear going to my kids!
SonyA77
10 months ago |The A700 does tethering in terms of using the PC to take a shot and then reviewing on the PC monitor. You can not see the live-view image displayed on the monitor before the shot since the A700 does not have live-view.
lulu
10 months ago |“5) The new external viewfinder for the NEX-5n is “flexible” (don’t know if that means something more than tiltable)”
Did I miss something or it’s the first time this is mentionned?
john
10 months ago |touch screen?
pancanikonpus
10 months ago |Ho… Ho… HO…..
today is 11th August, 13 days to go orange777 annoucement!!!
today is 11th August, 13 days to go orange777 annoucement!!!
today is 11th August, 13 days to go orange777 annoucement!!!
Jennzhen
10 months ago |so now it’s 777 …
Carl
10 months ago |Must be inflation.
pancanikonpus
10 months ago |orange7 + orange77 = orange777
Jennzhen
10 months ago |correction: silver7 + orange77 = ???
john
10 months ago |Should be Cinnabar7
Correct color and even sounds better.
Jennzhen
10 months ago |I’ve said this before …
China what?
btw the color of alpha logo for NEX is not cinnabar
john
10 months ago |.
SRL
10 months ago |As nice as the a77 looks, I can’ wait to see the a900 replacement
That’s the camera I’m waiting for to replace my a850′s
sonyboy68
10 months ago |A99 will be available with London’s Olympic games in 2012 !
choreo
10 months ago |I think I can live with 30 lens slots for the adjustment scheme. Honestly – this is the most desirable feature for me. I believe it will have the largest impact on actual photgraphy and number of keepers.
Vlad
10 months ago |Ok, even my lat concern got addressed – battery life. That is awesome!!
David
10 months ago |Wow, sounding better and better every day
It’s all these little features like AF micro-adjust, lens corrections etc which really add a lot of quality to the camera.
The a580 is great for what it does. You have great image quality but in a body with not a lot of extra features. That’s one of the reasons why Nikon can charge so much more for the same image quality in the D7000.
I really hope the a77 becomes the camera that finally makes other photographers sit up and pay attention.
SonyA77
10 months ago |They will sit up and pay attention, but only buy it when Sony has a complete lens range.
Sky_walker
10 months ago |And since when it hasn’t?
Oh wait… no, I don’t want to start the discussion.
;]
Carl
10 months ago |Rather than discussing it, you’d rather be out shooting landscapes with your 14mm and birding with your 600mm. Perfectly understandable.
SonyA77
10 months ago |Until Sony has a complete line-up to rival Canikon, the reviewers (who will already shoot Canikon) will continue to mention a lack of lenses. It’s that simple.
David
10 months ago |Meh. We have all the essentials covered with fantastic lenses. 16-35, 24-70, 70-200 zooms of amazing quality. Just as good as L lenses, if not slightly better. And primes – 25, 35, 85, 135 fast primes all exist too.
That covers the majority of bases. Plus there are lots of affordable but great lenses (like 35 1.8, 50 1.4, 85 2.8) to use too.
I think the “lack of lenses” excuse is getting a bit silly now. A huge majority of photographers could survive just fine on what we have right now. It really shouldn’t stop any new shooters from buying into the Sony lineup.
SRL
10 months ago |Sony just needs to clean-up is full-frame lens lineup.
Sony doesn’t need the same amount of FF lenses that Canon or Nikon has just 15 or so of the most popular and important. Basically the product is there it just needs to be modernized a little.
The Zeiss lenses are great; just need a few basic updates to coatings and motors and some weather sealing. A few of the are getting a bit old.
16-35/f2.8
24-70/2.8
24/f2.0
85/f1.4
135/f1.8
Add several to the Zeiss ZA line-up to fill some basic holes
35/f1.4
50/f1.4
100/f2.0 Micro
The same story with the Sony “G” line of lenses
SSM motors, modern coatings and weather sealing, etc.
I think that the “G” line should comprise of just telephotos, so put that 35m lenses elsewhere in the catalog and Sony please decide on one finish, Black or Minolta white …………….
No funky silver finish like that on the 70-400!
70-200/f2.8
70-400/f.4.5
300/f2.8
And ship that 500mm
Now, I’m sure everyone has a favorite that I left out or this list, but my point in this is, yes Sony already does have a decent full-frame product line, it just needs to add a few basic lenses and modernize maybe 10 of them and doing that will make them equal to the best that Canon and Nikon has in its catalog and equal to the grest new cameras come out soon.
David
10 months ago |Point taken, but why do the 16-35, 24-70 need updating? They are great build quality, new designs and have SSM focusing.
I just bought a 16-35 and it is fantastic. And most review sites rate it higher than the canon L equivalent.
SRL
10 months ago |it would be nice to see a little weather sealing on the 16-25 and 24-70 and a fix the the problem of the hood falling off.
Raghav
10 months ago |@David
He is probably talking about weather sealing… As of now, there are no Sony lenses that are weather sealed. At least officially.
Pacman
10 months ago |Do I really need a truck of lenses to provide or create a quality image? Think again.
SonyA77
10 months ago |You are missing the point. Sony is “known” all over the web and magazines for a lack of lenses and this hits sales of Sony bodies.
Until Sony produce a range of lenses that have a Sony badge on them (not Minolta, not Sigma, not Tamron, not Tokina etc) then potential buyers will go for the “safe” choice of Canon and Nikon.
Yes we all know that certain ranges are covered by Minolta and third-party brands, but your average potential buyer goes off what they read and they read all over the place that Sony doesn’t have lenses.
SRL
10 months ago |Yes, thank you
Kalpurush :)
10 months ago |It will change soon IMO. After August24, Sony will be on track to have a greater market share in dSLR camera world. And by 2012, Sony will be at the top in terms of sales IMHO
Kalpurush :)
10 months ago |It will it will it will
emopunk
10 months ago |I agree that in body lens correction adds a lot of value to this camera and makes Sony eventually more trusted inbetween serious users.
Erational
10 months ago |Can’t believe more ppl are not excited by the Auto Correction feature. I was depressed that DxO would take 4-8 months to get to the correction modules for Primes. Now it’s in-camera?!! It’s like Christmas Morning to me now. I can use the sharp Sony 35mm F/1.8 and not have worry about field curvature? Oh, mi ….
extra|ordinary
10 months ago |Unfortunately, field curvature is not something that can be remedied in software. Field curvature is the result of the focal plane being physically curved and non-planar. That being the case, when you encounter issues with field curvature, what you are encountering is the lens physically not being able to focus on particular areas of the desired focal plane…and what is not in focus is simply that: not in focus. Unfortunately, there is nothing software can do to solve this.
The only things you can do to cope with field curvature is to, first and foremost, simply take the care to ensure was you want in focus is in focus. From there, your only other option would be to stop down the aperture to increase total depth of field. A larger depth of field will help hide any field curvature present.
There are more advanced tricks you can use as well, but for the sake of time and simplicity, I will leave those for another discussion.
Pacman
10 months ago |PACMAN eat all mexican! LOL
Rushmore
10 months ago |“Time lag to take a picture is only 0,02 sec!”
That surely is an impressive number.
but IF it had Optical Viewfinder.
With Electronic Vewfinder it is kind of point less.
cause it is highly likely that EVF lag will be more than 0.02 sec.
If EVF lag is less than 0.02,
I’ll be the first one to purchase a77
Pacman
10 months ago |I don’t care! It’s your choice GO RUN and get NIKON! LOL
dac38
10 months ago |I asked my magic mirror and it told me that the lag is 0.01995 seconds. It also said that technically you cant be the first one to purchase the A77.
Pacman
10 months ago |I totally agree! LOL
SonyA77
10 months ago |Rushmore makes a valid point. There is noticeable lag on the A3x/A5x series EVF which, if the same on the A77, kind-of makes the small shutter lag claim pointless as you will always be shooting in the past due to EVF lag.
However the post actually says “Time lag to take a picture is only 0,02 sec!” it doesn’t say shutter lag. Perhaps this time includes the EVF lag and is the TOTAL lag (EVF+shutter)?
Robby Ticknor
10 months ago |+1 I hope you are correct and that .02 is the TOTAL lag (EVF+shutter)
Rushmore
10 months ago |If the total of EVF + Shutter lag is 0.02
then that would be an incredible camera!
coolpixer
10 months ago |That’s a big Q for me w/this camera. It’s hard to believe, though, that Sony would leave their semi-pro A700 replacement w/anywhere near last-gen EVF lag.
If they did, it could in no way be considered suitable for shooting action (of most Any sort). So I’ll bet they have eliminated most -if not practically all- of the EVF delay from the equation. Otherwise, pro’s & pro-sumers will not accept the EVF as a fully suitable replacement for the OVF, and SOny has made it’s future intentions clear on the EVF score.
eg, Panasonic G1 lag is Long.
coolpixer
10 months ago |.02 sec lag is FAST.
For comparison, a film Leica M3 lag is about .016 sec
Leica M9 about .08 sec
Minoltian
10 months ago |all amazing cameras will be launced… but probably will end up buying nex-3 + 16/2.8 LOL
zstan
10 months ago |Sigh. Keeping secret sucks. Damn you. You know who you are.
pancanikonpus
10 months ago |omg, new nikon camera can do similar thing… price wise?
•World’s first 24.3 MP APS-C sensor (FIY: Nikon D7000 has a normal ISO range of 100-6400)
•ISO range of 100-16000 (expandable to ISO 50)
•The sensor will offer AVCHD progressive (ver.2.0) full HD video recording at 60p which is also world’s first
•A 24p frame rate option will also be available.
baldy
10 months ago |Yeah i hope the studio issue is aalready solved.
Almazar80
10 months ago |Does the EVF and/or LCD screen still black out when taking a picture?
Bill98
10 months ago |I’m very impressed with the camera features. Now with all the gloomy news on U.S. economy and stock market roller coaster ride, the only show stopper I can see now is the price. I may have a hard time convincing my wife to shell out another $1,300 for the A77 body. The A65 is so stripped down if for $150 less.
Wheelus
10 months ago |Has anyone ever taken the time to evaluate any of the old Minolta MC/MD lenses to see how they perform on any of the new Sony cameras? I know they will only work in manual modes. But when you consider the fact that $$$$$$ Leica is selling cameras that work only in manual focus mode, I would think that this would be a great alternative if those lenses can perform somewhat decently?
Steve Jones
10 months ago |I can’t think that putting an SR mount lens (via an adapter) on an A-Mount DSLR is a good idea, as any such adapter requires optical elements due to the register difference in order to allow focussing to infinity. Such a combination is bound to degrade performance.
However, the NEX is a different matter – there are adapters out there, so presumably people do it, but I’ve not seen any tests. Certainly if you have the lenses it’s a cheap thing to do, but with E mount there’s a whole world of different legacy mounts to adopt.
Carl
10 months ago |SR mount lenses need the mount to be swapped out to use on an A mount camera, as the flange distance is shorter. Manual lenses work fine on Sony’s if you put a chip on them, you can use aperture priority, get focus confirmation with anything faster than about f6.3, and get image stabilisation.
The latter Rokkor lenses pair up excellently with the early “beercan generation” Minolta AF lenses, as they were designed by the same people, so are colour matched, have similar looking bokeh, etc.
Steve Jones
10 months ago |So effectively modifying an SR mount lens to an A mount if I’m reading that right.
Carl
10 months ago |That’s right.
Generally it’s quite an involved process (though not the kind of self torture that Konica AR and Canon FD lenses are), but there are a few Rokkors like the 58/1.2 that are fairly simple internally that can be done without being a maestro.
explorer76
10 months ago |Thats a good set of news! However I remain skeptical of very general claims like “AF is extremely fast and more accurate than Nikon and Canon cameras”. These types of claims raise a number of questions: What canon/Nikon bodies are they comparing to ? 60D/d7000 class or 7D/d300 class or 1DIV/ D3s class? under what conditions? and single shot versus tracking Af? center point versus outer point? etc.
I don’t think Sony bodies lag in single shot AF even now. My A580 focuses fast even when using a relatively slow focusing 50mm macro lens. Having used bodies all the way from canon 350d to canon 40D to canon 1DsII, i would say that in single shot mode and in good light all of these cameras are so fast that it is hard to argue for one being significantly better than other. So the real question is whether the tracking AF is in the same league or better than say the 7D / D300s class bodies. Obviously the full-time PDAf can give the A77 an advantage in theory, but we have to see what happens in reality. And in nay case for A77 the performance of the EVF is even more critical in its usability for tracking.
Wheelus
10 months ago |Excellent points that you make! And remember, Canon and Nikon are waiting in the wings to announce their next generation of cameras. In fact Nikon is also on August 24th.
john
10 months ago |http://nikonrumors.com/2011/08/10/two-weeks-till-the-official-nikon-announcement-and-we-are-still-clueless.aspx/
Wheelus
10 months ago |Looks like SAR rules when it comes to leaks!
Edgars
10 months ago |It is easy to compare camera AF in dim light. Then difference is tremendous. Of course obviously they tested AF manly with 16-50mm f/2.8 lens which should be fast. With lenses, such as 70-300mm at 300mm with max aperture f/5.6 always is completely different story. Anyway I’m very optimistic because Sony makes significant AF improvements with each new generation of cameras.
Andrew
10 months ago |Note to those people who says Nikon will still rule when it comes to high ISO performance, who gives a shit?? Majority of all photographers don’t even go past 1600 iso since its going to give them a very degraded image (eg lost of detail, noise level goes up significantly.) If your going to take a picture on a very dark environment use an external flash.
Robby Ticknor
10 months ago |We don’t get past iso 1600 because anything above 1600 is unusable (I have seen some nikon shots taken at iso 6400 that look better then my a550 images at iso 1600).
try shooting a concert where you CAN’T use flash and the performers are very active. Even at f/2.8, you can’t get 250/sec with anything less then 1600/3200 iso.
ISO performance and dynamic range of the a77 are my most important features (could care less about fps > 6 and movie mode). I am just hoping that the a77 at iso 6400 will be at as good as my a550 at iso 1600
simone
10 months ago |I definitely agree with you
emopunk
10 months ago |That would be a dream.. And enough for a lot of people to fly to the shops and buy it!
Spoon
10 months ago |Nikon fullframe maybe, the aps-c cameras perform the same when using the same sensor.
And btw, with the right processing I can get high resolution good results from my A500 too (think ISO 6400).
Steve Jones
10 months ago |Clearly you’ve never photographed at an indoor event such as a concert, play, indoor sports event or similar where flash isn’t allowed and there is movement to contend with.
emopunk
10 months ago |Indeed you read a lot of sad replies here on SAR. Lots of them not worth answering..
Maxwell
10 months ago |ISO performance can look very good or very bad from the same camera. If you under expose it looks bad, if you over expose it looks good. DXO sensor test show there is little difference among the best APS-C cameras today.
As a primary landscape shooter I use as low ISO as possible. Because you got best dynamic range and low noise. Dynamic range get less and less when you increase ISO. At ISO 6400 you got very bad/little dynamic range.
It is maybe not possible to make a top “landscape camera” and “sport/high ISO performance camera” in one camera? These shooters got different needs. Well, the best APS-C cameras are all good for both today. And so will the A77 be I hope. But I am a bit sceptical about the 24 MP sensor, but I can be wrong again. The 16 MP APS-C Sony sensor is a great performer, I thought 12 MP was the ultimate MP’s for APS-C sensor. Time will tell.
José Magalhães
10 months ago |Shared also here
http://atributos-1.blogspot.com/2011/08/sony-a77-esta-para-chegar.html
Thank you
PaulW
10 months ago |Admin: Is there any word on whether the A77 will have switchable PAL NTSC video like some competitive DSLR comeptitors?
morgul
10 months ago |Rumor (4), that you can go to ISO 25600 with multi-frame, is not good news. Actually I am very disappointed, after all those earlier “SR5″ rumors about amazing high ISO in the “Hundreds of Thousands”, that ISO is capped at 16000. Don’t expect to see any extra-ordinary high ISO on this camera.
coolpixer
10 months ago |Admin, here’s my #1 question (> EVF lag):
EVF Size. is it’s magnification going to be significantly increased? I sure hope so.
I’m pretty tired of undersized finders, and the EVF -esp one w/ double the res to work with- has no excuse to not be pretty near the size of a good old Nikon F2.
It would be a shame if Sony disappoints here, just to make the same EVF w/larger magn optic in the A900 successor look that much bigger.
MF Lens
10 months ago |Any news for MF (manual focus, non af) lens? Focus indication like Nikon & Pentax? How about lens adjustment and lens recognition for MF lens?
Carl
10 months ago |You can already get focus indication with current Sonys if you lens is chipped, which is a worthwhile investment as it’ll also give you stabilisation.
MF Lens
10 months ago |The chipped adapters does not give correct lens info unless one uses the new chip. Perhaps Sony can come up with something new and better then the built in focus indication for example, how much out of focus indication.
Also using Sony/Minolta own STF lens, does not have focus indication.
Walt
10 months ago |Still no news on the EVF Lag. Which probably means it’s not improved and nothing to brag about. Shutter lag (the time to take a photo after you pressed the shutter button) is not the same thing. If the EVF is showing a view sometime in the past superfast shutter lag won’t improve keeping up with action, keeping it realtime.
EVF lag is what’s critical if forced to switch to EVF from optical. Optical viewfinders have virtually no lag.