(SR5) The revolution is coming: NEX adapter with built-in translucent mirror!

Image on top shows an adpater with built-in mirror from Leica (something similar is coming from Sony now!)
Is this the end of DSLR-SLT cameras? That is the first sentence that came into my mind when I read the following rumor: According to my very best sources Sony is ready to launch a special Alpha to E-mount adapter with built-in translucent mirror and phase detection AF system!!! This means you can transform every NEX camera in a perfect A-mount compatible system! Something similar has been made by Leica with the Visoflex (Click here to see that adapter on eBay). The electronic viewfinder is not included on the adapter (you can attach it separately on the hotshoe). I don’t know the price yet, but it will definitely be much more expensive than the current simple Sony Alpha LAEA1 Alpha to E-mount adapter.
This could be the first step of major revolution that will make the classic DSLR (or SLT) obsolete. In a couple of years there might be mirrorless cameras only on the market. Going a huge step forwared (with my imagination) Sony could also develop adapters with built-in Optical viewfinder system! Wouldn’t that be cool? So you could have three cameras in one, Mirrorless (NEX), SLT (with EVF) and DSLR (with OVF). Ok ok, I know I am dreaming for now, but in my opinion that’s the way to go Sony!!!
But let’s make a step back, I know for sure that Sony will make SLT cameras for the next years (A77, A99 and so on). So those of you that still do prefer the “classic” camera design should not worry.
But I want to hear what you think about that “rumor”:
Useful links:
The Leica Visoflex on eBay (Click here).
The current A to E mount adapter at Amazon, B&H, Adorama, J&R, eBay.
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SR1=probably fake rumor
SR2=rumor from unknown sources
SR3=50% chance it is correct
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Frosti7
2 years ago |According to the poll:
50% of users buy SLT
50% buy NEX
Thats a good sign for sony
Anonymous
2 years ago |I agree with everything you’ve just said.
Alot of people here can only see this adapter being used on the current NEX-3/5/3C cameras. What people don’t realize is that I think Sony will have two tiers of NEX. Once entry level (NEX3/5/3C) and an enthusiast level (manual controls, two dials etc). This adapter will work best with the enthusiast level NEX. So there goes the ergonomics issue.
I don’t understand why people say they’d rather just get an a33/a55 level camera. It’s huge (in comparison to NEX) and you’re stuck with it. whereas with this concept, you can take off the a-mount adapter and stick an e-mount primes on it and you have a small compact mirrorless camera. What’s the point of buying a NEX and an a33/a55? Unless of course the adapter is MORE expensive than the a33/a55 body, which I doubt it would be.
Anonymous
2 years ago |I don’t think the NEX-7 will come with IBIS because of the simple fact that Sony includes IS in their e-mount lenses (current 18-55 kit lens and upcoming 40/2 prime). Really disappointing. Maybe they can put IS in this adapter? Just joking lol.
Andrew
2 years ago |This rumor made me feel so worried, why is sony prioritizing the nex system?? Come on the alpha line is getting left behind, sony should concentrate on improving their line of lenses instead of making point and shoot cameras with ginormous lenses. And another thing why did sony make and e-mount if they planned to put alpha lenses on it, sony just doesnt make sense anymore. If they dont step up there A game on the alpha lens i’ll probably switch to canon or nikon like the rest of the world. If they’re gonna cater most of their cameras to beginners i’ll just sell all of my alpha cameras and lenses. To be more strait forward sony is commiting a sucide on there alpha line.
Matt
2 years ago |Oh god, like with any true innovation no one seems to get it at first, because they can only see the here and now. So allow me to address why this will make a huge impact on the shape of things to come.
Ergonomics: If you think that this adapter is designed to go with the current crop of NEX cameras, then you probably aren’t getting the point. First of all the EVF side of things, this is completely unrelated to this lens mount adapter, just because it has a mirror in it doesn’t mean that is where you get the image from in the EVF, they two are not linked physically or for operation. SLTs get their EVF image from the main sensor – just because the mirror is directing light to where the EVF is located on that particular design has nothing to do with it’s operation, they are in no way linked. It is also no possible (or at least likely) for their to be an OVF as part of this design, too little light would be shone through the OVF. Secondly you are assuming this is designed to mount to the current NEX cameras such as the 3,C3 and 5 – while it theoretically could be made to work (and I would love it if it did) it isn’t it’s purpose as such. This is for new models of camera that we have yet to see. The a55 for example has this already buit in to the body and I would exactly call that camera an ergonomic nightmare, sure it is small but there will be other examples. The fact is that section of the camera DOES NOT have to be moulded in to the plastic body of the camera and certainly doesn’t have to be to handle well. All they are doing is creating a disconnection point to detach the front section of the camera, one that not only enables you to remove the front section, but be able to attach different elements in it’s place. Thus creating a properly modular design. Imagine being able to buy an a22 with e-mount so that you have a compact camera for travel, family snaps etc. Then you add on the front section, add on an additional hand grip with control dials (to augment the ones on the back of the body), add on a high resolution EVF and you have yourself a proper SLT. Bolt that front end onto your FS100 or VG10 and you have PDAF on your video camera. Or being able to chuck on a PL mount, M-Mount or whatever you like to a fuller body than the NEX provides, want the EVF? Stick that on too… or leave it at home – the choice is yours.
Personally I would love this, I have an a55 that I recently bought but as I was chaging systems I bought a NEX3 as well for legacy glass. Now I always have to chose which camera I am going to take, or take both. I also have conundrums as to whether to buy more e-mount stuff as it comes out (when it comes out!) or buy a-mount glass instead, knowing that I will be limited in which cameras I can use it with, especially e-mount stuff. This way I wouldn’t have to choose, I would buy lenses based on which mode I will use that particular lens in more and feel much more at ease with buying e-mount glass. If I had the coice of having the pros of both cameras in the one design I would go that route any day of the week.
The current CDAF in the NEX is pretty decent, I and many others would say it is fairly similar to entry level DSLRs, the biggest problem is the a-Mount lenses aren’t exactly well sorted for CDAF, which means they are incredibly slow when on the current a-mount adapter, this will recitfy that. Making the AF system in camera faster will likely not help anywhere near what having PDAF in the adapter will be able to do. Further to this it might be possible in this design for the PDAF to augment the CDAF offing the speed of PD with the accuracy of CD.
As far as I am concerned, Sony are the only manufacturer making a proper ‘System’ of cameras. Panasonic are a close second, however they are missing the high end and will forever do so as their lenses and mount aren’t designed for Full Frame – Sony’s are. A camera that is fully compatible with both mounts, deisgned around using both mounts (not hard to do) and give you the best of both worlds sounds pretty revolutionary to me. But not just Sony mounts, Sony are embracing their users using all sorts of weird and wonderful glass on their cameras – why not extand that to their entire line of cameras?
Sony are bringing the best of mirrorless and SLR/T together and making it easy for you to choose – have both!
Why anyone would sook and stamp their feet about this rumor is absolutely beyond me!
efe-zero
2 years ago |here some photos of NEX + Visoflex…
ieR
2 years ago |wow, 2 button SLT~ yay?
please be remind, its only works with A mount, and its a lot more expensive then the LAEA1. people would just save the money and get a DSLT instead (and more buttons)
Adam
2 years ago |Would I be better off just buying a new lens for my a55, or should I wait to see what this is?
Greg
2 years ago |This would be very exciting if Sony can pull this off and still maintain the fast AF of the a-mount lenses on the newer a-mount cameras, if its even a little slower I would still buy SLT’s over NEX. Also, the NEX needs to achieve all the other features of an SLT, larger body design (hand grip), flash control with the Minolta smartshoe (especially wireless flash control that all Alpha SLT/DSLR’s have), battery grip. The NEX is great, but it needs to be more than a “pocket” mirrorless to truly replace an SLT. If the NEX-7 is a real camera then it might just be what I am looking for. They also need the NEX models to go down to ISO100, the sensor is capable and there are times where the difference matters enough that I want to be able to shoot as ISO100.
Dan
2 years ago |Nikon (at least, maybe others) also made these adapters in the glory days of rangefinders (1950s and early 1960s). They allowed the use of long lenses on RF bodies – you occasionally see a 500 mm in Leica M or Nikon S (+ adapter) mount on eBay or wherever. I believe that what drove them off the market is that nobody ever got one to meter through the lens (of course, you could use a meter that didn’t go through the lens, but that’s very hard to aim with a long lens.
shade
2 years ago |Yeah, that’s true…..
maybe it’s one of those things that people will buy, use twice and then but it in the closet to all the other toys
john
2 years ago |That rumor is almost as fake as this one
http://nikonrumors.com/2011/06/02/reality-or-fiction-nikon-d4-d4x-d400-d400x-d800-d800x-d9000-specs.aspx/
Miroslav
2 years ago |“You seem to imply to get two camera and lens systems.”
No, but NEX need bigger bodies as well to balance better with bigger lenses. Ever seen NEX-5 with 18-200 lens? Sony has to make full range of bodies, like Panasonic does: from GF3 to GH2.
emarsh
2 years ago |That’s “A – Mount Lenses” not amanount.
Dan
2 years ago |Walt, get off it. Sony has no lens or system sales to loose as they are coming from zero position. Their priority is to establish themselves as a respected photo brand. If/when they achieve it, they can start worrying about how to protect their system sales. Surely, you did not miss the fact that Nikon and Canon are not in the mirrorless category exactly so that they do not canibalise their SLR sales.
Gabriel
2 years ago |You missed to post this article on Twitter… I was reading the sequel and was so confused, because I missed this one… Just to let you know! ; )
Walt
2 years ago |The NEX is one of Sony’s big errors. Yep they sell some cameras, but look at how many lens sales they loose when folks just adapt other brands of lenses. It shows cybershot thinking on the management’s fault, they don’t understand how much money is to be made in selling a complete system rather than just selling another low cost camera body being all that they make money off of.
As one who’s used a visoflex I can say it’s ergonomics lost out long long ago to the SLR design. Even when it was around it was not a big sellor. Very antique way of doing things.
Bugger
2 years ago |As a NEX user who is contemplating a migration to the SLR/SLT system, this is pretty big news.
One of my grips of the NEX is the lack of glass and control. I actually sold my a550 to get the NEX due to its size and convenience when I wasn’t really familiar with SLRs, but now that I’m getting the hang of it, I was seriously considering moving back again because of:
- More lens choices
- Price of lenses (ie. a-mount 18-250 much cheaper than E-mount 18-200)
- More direct control
But I really liked the NEX for its
- Size
- Convenience
With this adapter, I have the option of moving between control+versatility and size+convenience, depending on whether I’m doing a simple to moderate walk/trek or doing a proper, dirty hike.
I’m just concerned with interoperatibility of lenses. Like maybe, with the adapter on, the AF isn’t as fast, etc.
Then again, that probably explains why almost all the new A lenses have the SAM in-built. Helps bridge compatibility between both mounts eh?
I feel that they should address another one of their major flaws tho – the lack of weather proof solutions.
Matt
2 years ago |Some of us, myself included, will never own a smartphone. We have a burner Tracfone/Net10 phone for emergencies, and that’s the way it’s been for years and that’s the way it always will be. I can’t get myself or the wife to even use more than 50 minutes of our 300 minute/60 day allocation. Drives me mad, but that’s the way it is. One phone we had was sitting at 2500 carryover minutes before a better (free) phone came along – and, those carryover minutes were essentially free.
There is a life, you know, beyond your smartphone, twitter, and facebook. To that end, I and the rest of my family are non-members of all online social networks. We have a life, unlike the rest of the idiots wasting time on farmville.
Milos Janata
2 years ago |Yeah, Thanks Andrea for tomorrow’s revolutionary A77 and A99 rumors.
Bill
2 years ago |Agreed. The lack of lenses for the forseeable (to me) future had me pass by the Nex that I really wanted and buy a G2 and a 20mm f/1.7 lens and manfrotto tripod for under $600. Now I am saving up for more fast glass that exists today.
Please do not think I am trolling. I watch this forum daily as I can still eBay my relatively small investment and buy a Nex if they have *native* fast glass.
Peace,
Bill
Irfan
2 years ago |7D is a DSLR with lenses optimized for PDAF. It’s stupid to compare that with mirrorless.
Bruce Ramage
2 years ago |NEXaflex. It’s a good tradename, I like it.
mugen
2 years ago |+ 5
Me
2 years ago |Considering we don’t have any further details of what Sony might release along with this, it definetely created a lot of buzz.
Any other rumours? How about this one from today: http://photorumors.com/2011/07/18/some-sony-alpha-a99-rumors/
Raul S.
2 years ago |The best use I can give to this new adapter could be on NEX-VG10, NEX-VG20 and NEX-FS100…Those cameras need fast AF lenses for fast action, continuous AF footage…for the NEX-3/5/C3/7, mmm maybe that could be excellent for big telephoto lenses (when mounted on a tripod) because anything bigger than SAL35F18 and SAL50F18 lenses it’s unbalanced to use on the current NEX-series cameras.
I’m wondering if the adapter have screw-AF compatibility with old lenses and if now it’s possible to AF with Sigma/Tamron lenses…I will buy it instantly since I’m a NEX-5 user that wanted the 50-500mm bigma to work fully =D
GH
2 years ago |This could really lead to a completely modular camera system. Imagine NEX bodies of various sizes with switchable grips (like the EP-3.) One could use this new adapter with a large handgrip and other accessories when shooting in the studio with a-mount lenses, and then remove the adapter and hand grips to make a small camera for street shooting later on. This really opens up a lot of possibilities.
kalpurush :)
2 years ago |+4
Thanks Andrea
Dennis
2 years ago |I’m fully aware of the 2-adapter thing. I know it sucks to buy two of them, but I then have a NEX and a A77! (If A77 ~ NEX7+adapter)
(And you’re not raining on my parade. In the end, I’ll probably still buy the A77, due to ergonomics. But it’s the first time I’m actually considering the NEX7.)
Rob
2 years ago |This only makes sense if the adapter is a complete package that has the same ergonomics as a large DSLR. I’m attached to all my buttons and wheels, and like the ergonomics of a large body. If the adapter had the form factor of a larger body, and all the functionality, then the NEX cameras would be like interchangeale components – so when the next big change in resolution or iso comes along the Sony user could just buy the NEX body, and substitute for the old – and keep using all the same external hardward. I think Ricoh has a similar model now….
Din
2 years ago |When an image sensor can adjust the exposure for each pixel independently, we will reach the DR of the human eye.
john
2 years ago |I totally agree. Sony’s CDAF can/should be much improved.
Here is a vid comparing the auto focus speed of the EP3 compared to the Canon 7D.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeUNGYmmqXo
As you can see the EP3 is lightning fast at focusing on shoes sitting in a shoe rack.
BUT…
how does it do for moving subjects, low light or low contrast?
And if and object is not moving….
do you EVEN NEED auto focus?
Chad
2 years ago |Huge fallacy Geert. The NEX is an incredibly fast camera to control.
With adapted lenses you have full physical controls for aperture and shutter speed and no shutter lag.
For AF lenses, you may not have two separate physical controls for either aperture and shutter but you can toggle between them with one push of a button that rests directly on the Jog wheel – So if you want to shoot in manual mode, simply adjust your aperture with the physical jog wheel, press down at the bottom of the wheel and then spin again to adjust shutter – fast, efficient and easy. The fact that your finger never moves off the Jog control makes operation very quick – definitely faster than my X100. And if you are shooting Av or Tv and want to use exposure compensation, the controls work exactly the same.
albin
2 years ago |The possibilities are amazing!
Two words: digital back
Mayby sony is working on some sort of modular camera. Nex is ideal for this. You have all the space needed to mount something in between.
Once more one can only dream
emarsh
2 years ago |I don’t think that this adapter will do away with larger ‘A’ mount cameras, adapters are nice, and it sounds like they are going to make a great one for the NEX, but if you like larger cameras then, the NEX won’t do it for you, as for now they are too small for a lot of people. However, if they make a full sized NEX, then you could satisfy this group of people who want the NeX mount flexibility, all the old manual lenses of various brands can be used, plus all the old minolta maxxum lenses can be used, then hey, this would be great. Try that on a Canon or Nikon, you can’t do it.(But you could use their lenses on you NEX).
monster bash
2 years ago |Nice, but I will probably be satisfied with just the NEX-7. What do youo make of this A99 rumor on the Photorumors site? I don’t expect all those items on the wish list, but is it possible to obtain shutter speeds higher than 1/8000 sec with electronic shutters? Why would anyone need such a fast shutter speed as 1/24000?
Don Cox
2 years ago |It will certainly have limited appeal, but that applies to all specialised accessories. Put the accessories together and you have a system rather than just a camera.
Are there any figures for total sales of NEX cameras? I guess if one NEX user in 500 buys one of these adaptors, they will sell enough to be worth while.
Don Cox
2 years ago |“The only reason to buy a NEX over a traditional DSLR is size”
Not size as such but thinness. The reason to buy a NEX is that it is thin enough to accept adaptors for all kinds of lenses and macro gear which cannot be used with a DSLR.
Milos Janata
2 years ago |+3
Rachnaroch
2 years ago |Why go back to designs of 50 years ago? What we need is more level of customization, I want all the buttons in a camera, all, to be configurable, not just one or two Fn buttons. I want to decide what every wheel will be used for in every mode. It’s only software after all. I wish they came with something like apps where you can store a few configuration apps in the camera and even share them with photographers.
You can have a wheel do one stop shutter speed increments if that’s what you like (or 1/2 or 1/3 increments, or all, you decide) while I would prefer that same wheel to let me choose between a few pre-configured to my taste image or camera modes, or combinations of both. It’s only software. I’d like to see which will be the first manufacturer to offer us full control over their cameras. It’s about time.
DD
2 years ago |The performance of the human eye? Heh, not as good as you might think…
Harpo
2 years ago |++2
yurilee
2 years ago |F3.5, Dynamic Range~14 db, has HDR…can automatically balance exposure levels
Rachnaroch
2 years ago |I see this adapter as a rather useless gimmick, but it makes the Sony system more interesting as a whole. Sometimes is not what you need or want to buy but what you know you can buy in the future if needed (which is a reason why Canon or Nikon systems have been so popular, because they give you the most choices even if yo don’t need them at a given moment, but make you feel more confident about the system).
Which BTW also makes more frustrating the lack of NEX lenses.
john
2 years ago |“But with NEX+adapter, I do get the option to
1) remove the extra sheet of glass and take low-light shots”
Only if you buy BOTH adapters.
Or do you currently have E-mount lenses?.
Or will Sony allow removal of mirror from the new adapter?
I kinda doubt it.
I’m not trying to rain on your parade just trying to point out possible problems.
Eric
2 years ago |This is a really cool idea, and it’s something Olympus should be doing to keep their classic 4/3′s users happy since they’ve all but ceased 4/3′s production, but Sony needs native E-Mount lenses for NEX system, not a fancy A-Mount adapter. I have zero desire to use large lenses on a small camera. The only reason to buy a NEX over a traditional DSLR is size, and this adapter will take that advantage away.
Perhaps this adapter will convince some people worried about the death of the DSLR to keep on purchasing A-Mount glass, but as a current NEX user I have no interest. Give us lenses please! How hard is that to understand? A camera system can’t be a system until it has glass. If I do buy a NEX-7 I still have no idea what lenses I will use on it.
Daemonius
2 years ago |NEXaflex? Amazing.. That can be solution to most problems.
Heh they could even do it with regular mirror, NEX with OVF, that would be something.
Now, what about full-frame NEX with this?
El Aura
2 years ago |@Rkieux
Sure, no problem, just wait another ten years for contrast detect to have caught with PD-AF for really low DOF lenses (85 mm f/1.4, 200 mm f/2.8). And you might be able to increase the sensor readout rate by orders of magnitude, but increasing the speed of moving large and heavy lens elements cannot be increased by the same factor (energy-density of motors simply does not increase that much).
greyhat
2 years ago |Why remove IBIS from NEX-7?
If Sony add IBIS to NEX-7 it will sell more cameras, even if disengage when a E-mount lens is attached.
@admin: any news if NEX-7 may have IBIS?
They have the technology and the parts. What could be wrong on making an IBIS APS-C mirrorless camera with the best sensor available?
And if the answer is battery life, a better grip makes space for a bigger battery.
Dee2Vee
2 years ago |+1 Clifton..
john
2 years ago |Maybe there is a reason DSLR’s are big.
http://photojojo.com/store/awesomeness/iphone-slr-mount/
When on sensor PDAF arrives,lose the mirror but not the size.
Go mirrorless A-mount.
Dennis
2 years ago |Yeah, if you put it like that. The loss of ergonomics is a good point, but that will depend on the adapter and the NEX7.
I don’t care too much about the loss of light in situations and the ghosting in situations where I want fast PDAF. There, I usually find okayish lighting conditions. But with NEX+adapter, I do get the option to
1) remove the extra sheet of glass and take low-light shots
2) take a small camera with me on hiking trips
3) use all kinds of old manual lenses and other brand’s lenses with a cheap adapter.
That’s why I think that I get the best of both worlds. Not at the same time, but I can chose any time which ‘world’ I want.
emarsh
2 years ago |Well, isn’t that an advantage? If you don’t want to use a manount lenses, then don’t buy this adapter. Then you have a nex just like you had before this adapter, no skin off anyone’s back.
john
2 years ago |Unless future adapter adapters could be made to support AF in other mounts.
spada
2 years ago |Umm, why would this make DSLR/DSLT obsolete? And what would make that any different than having an A55.
DSLT’s will not be obsolete, NEX cameras are still going to always be APS-C. Don’t get too far ahead of yourself. Sure, it sounds like a real cool gadget to have, but you are acting like the NEX is already the most perfect camera system ever made, and everyone should just stop making cameras forever.
CRYO
2 years ago |Agreed PDAF on sensor is the future, believe SONY’s R&D does going this way, but this tech takes time to refine, so SLT is the transit, eventually both A and E mount will be mirrorless, in sensor PDAF, live viewed, and with optional EVF.
A mount is limited by heritage, but with E mount, they can try many new things out of the box.
Vladimiros
2 years ago |Heretical, redundant, obsolete and, wow, modular. But before being modular, it`s still heretical: the NEX cameras, lacking a built-in viewfinder, are display-centred (as you can see from ergonomics and controls). A viewfinder-centred camera must offer blind-operated controls. And NEX are obviously lacking such controls. So, the electronic viewfinder is feature-esque, and the translucent mirror adapter is redundant and made obsolete by the cheaper Alpha to E-mount existing one. If you want a fast focusing mirror-less camera, buy a Pen-3. Or hope Sony will wake up.
Piriya33
2 years ago |One thing about the poll.
I’ve long since ditched my Minolta Dynax 7D for Sony’s a700
I’ll soon be replacing that with the a77
But I’ve also got a NEX-5 (which I carry everywhere with me, with a Pextax 50mm f1.4 glass)
So I’ll probably be getting NEX-7 when that comes out too.
Not to mention that I also own a NEX-VG10 (though I’m not planning to get the VG-20 anytime soon)
So, yeah, I’d have gotten all of it anyways.. I guess.
But, then again, bow that I have the NEX-5, I found myself using the alpha less and less.
HS
2 years ago |Does that mean we will finally get a Sony DSLR without stabilisation?
Pay much more for much less? What a great step back and really like a revolution! And a new market: NEX Accessory Backpacks
I would prefer an incamera stabilisation (steady shot?) and fast contrastfocus and an electronic adapter for at lest A-Mount (and, if I can dream, for F-Mount and Canon-Mount etc.)
And some really good NEX-lenses.
john
2 years ago |“advantages of NEX:
– compact size
– no extra glass
– tons of cheap adapters available, due to small flange distance
6) Summarizing: NEX7 + adapter = A77 ??”
Add the extra glass to the NEX7 and remove ergonomics and IBIS (maybe battery life)from A77
Sounds like lose/lose to me.
Frosti7
2 years ago |because CDAF cant provide continuse AF as PDAF can, and now u can use both on nEX
zstan
2 years ago |Really lol at all the haters. This product has not even hit the shelves yet and everybody is already condemning it. Same thing like the DSLT issue last time.
I will reserve my comments for now but converter this does sound interesting.
Adi
2 years ago |Cool gadget, with use for some people. Don’t see myself using one (hate adapters). NEX was out of my list because it needed an external flash. Like other said why by a small camera (the only advantage of NEX over Alfa) if you start using adapters after that. But for somebody with a large collection of A lenses which decides to switch to NEX (or use NEX as a backup camera) it may make sense. Sorry but I don’t see at all the SLR/SLT becoming obsolete as I don’t see to many people preffering this solution over a standard camera (ergonomics/size).
However, as sensor evolves and will do in sensor AF I can see future mirorless Alfa cameras ( will take another 1 or 2 generations however, to get there).
Dulaney Ward
2 years ago |A lesns-designer friend of mine has said that he has been working on something like this for one or more major camera companies. He added that he expected that Canon & Nikon in the future will be lens makers, not camera makers.
Sony is quite entirely mindful of photographers at all levels in the cameras it makes, like Canon & Nikon. But unlike them Sony is blazing the trail to the future.
Rkieux
2 years ago |Why not just work on the CDAF technology to increase AF speed like the EP3? Then give us small lenses instead. Isn’t that the more logical future for the NEX?
Mportillo
2 years ago |Price prediction?
CRYO
2 years ago |So now all previous rumors makes sense, if they all refer to the same camera: NEX PRO / 7
Nex 7 will ask for $1200 with kit lens, and it will also bundle with new SLT A-E adapter, which makes it the 3rd alpha camera comes together with a65 and a77, that have A mount, NEX styled and looks alike the V3.
Good job Sony. I’ll buy it, IF it does have SSS in body
JOSÉ MARIA
2 years ago |In no time the overwhelming majority of us, frenzied followers of the SAR, make critical Andrea.
This site is the best site for rumors among all brands.
Our joys and frustrations are directed at Sony and it would not be possible if the information were not given the efficiency of the SAR.
Congratulations for the excellent work and personal dedication you give to this site.
I’m sure that Sony is following to see the sense of his followers, who give valuable opinions on the direction the company takes.
Erational
2 years ago |I keep asking if ANY of these brave new world offerings offer in-body stabilization. The silence is deafening. Do not know about you guys, but a strong reason I bought into the Sony system was because of SSS on ANY lens, not just zooms. With this adapter, the Next 7, and the mirrorless A-mount cam leaked here- I am hearing NOTHING about SSS. Does no-one like having their primes stabilized out there any more ? Do not know why Sony why would want to throw-away their killer app that they and Minolta poured so much money into. Olympus has in-body stabilization in its mirrorless cams, yet Sony has thrown it’s SSS advantage into the fire- seemingly for the slight advantage of a few mm slimmer bodies than the competition.
john
2 years ago |Slt mirror in its current state is too big to lock upright.
Mirror protrudes outside of lens mount.
It is larger than standard SLR mirror with more acute angle and was designed that way to minimize reflections on sensor as much as possible
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ndnuRsm5FQ
Could this be solved in the future? Probably with increased cost and size of camera.
In the mean time the mirror is easily removed for single shot without AF.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDhVkmxaHzw
Nico
2 years ago |+1
Dennis
2 years ago |Too sad that there’s so much bad temper in this forum right now. If I were you, Andrea, I wouldn’t advertise future rumors anymore from now on – that will always keep people disappointed and they will go nuts speculating about insane features or specs, even if you write “Do not expect a picture or detailed specs.” Now you have furious readers that didn’t sleep the whole weekend and blame you for the bulkiness of the new adapter, because they see a picture of an adapter from the last century (without having ANY idea of how the new adapter will look like). And no one of them will appreciate your work, which is a pity.
Hence, let me thank you for your good work and the nice rumor. I personally don’t think that it would break anyones back, neither do I think this would be advantageous for us in the future. But I still think it’s a very interesting thing that might move more people to E-Mount.
I myself am waiting for the A77, but it is bugging me immensely that this piece of glass will eat away light and ‘compensate’ for that by adding ghosting (and Nikon will have better scores with the same sensor). NEX wasn’t an alternative to me up to now, because I want fast PDAF for my lenses. But there’s three advantages of NEX:
- compact size
- no extra glass
- tons of cheap adapters available, due to small flange distance
This adapter is the key element that finally makes NEX really interesting for me. It would allow us (or at least me) to take advantage of the best things from both worlds. However, the usefulness of the adapter will depend on the following things:
1) How many AF points? AF performance?
2) What about screw-driven lenses? Maybe NEX7 is coming with motor?
3) Price
4) Seamless integration into NEX camera handling.
5) Other ergonomics (and also style)
6) Summarizing: NEX7 + adapter = A77 ??
Therefore, it’d be great if you could get any further specs about it!
Cheers,
Dennis
meh
2 years ago |Yeah, this didn’t need to by hyped on Friday. Still no offense meant.
The revolution is the mirrorless system. The translucent mirror is just a lifeline to the dying DSLR.
As sensors get better the lower light gathering ability of E mount lenses becomes less of an issue. As the camera market overall shifts towards smartphones, the compact market is disappearing and the DSLR is going to increasingly mark the person who carries it as a camera geek.
Why lug all that weight? most people will say.
The NEX is the revolutionary camera.
NEXfive
2 years ago |…best comment so far
Geert
2 years ago |A professional camera should have decent and easily accessible controls. That currently lacks in de NEX-bodies.
I don’t even think on buying one untill it has both individual aperture and shutterspeed controls for shooting in Manual setting.
JOSÉ MARIA
2 years ago |I am extremely concerned about the future of DSLR / DSLT Sony. I think the amazing technological development on mirrolers cameras. Sony will dominate the market in this area. And the idea of using A-mount lens is great. But to think the system will replace the DSLT Nex is a destructive thinking for Sony.
This adapter NEX need the A-mount lenses. And Sony would continue to develop cutting-edge lens with Carl-Zeiss, for example, if the market isonly for mirrorlers? Sony professional photographers imagine coming to a wedding or event with a Nex, attaching a lens adapter and a CZ 24-70to work? The image that can demonstrate a professional with animprovised equipment, not a cutting-edge equipment.
It seems that Sony is shutting down the legacy Minolta to create technology in the field of photography.
Photographers want efficient cameras to take pictures!
This is the goal of Nikon and Canon. Evolve its equipment to make thembetter and better … to take pictures!
This adapter only shows that Sony is on the wrong track regarding DSLT!The NEX was born mirrorless camera and are creating a piece for herwork as a DSLT. Just getting uglier than a DSLT original.
Sony: Work in the evolution of its sensors – Nikon uses them better than you!
Do not let your users DSLT left – remember: a Canon or Nikon user know can always count on them.
Nico
2 years ago |I forgot to mention that I’d like a FF Nex body TOO !!!
El Aura
2 years ago |@Steve Jones:
Good point about the A-mount NEX rumour (which had considered completely non-sensical on its own without this added twist). And I fully agree with your five points, except the CF card one. I don’t think the speed and capacity vs. price advantage of CF cards really warrant the extra space required in a compact camera like the NEX. If we consider buying completely new cameras (if not camera systems), the cost of replacing ones CF cards with SD cards is likely to be a minor one (annoying yes but hardly worth arguing about).
Clifton
2 years ago |…ok..great….now some more A77 news…please
Alex
2 years ago |I want more small high quality lenses for the Nex, not more lens adapter for my big big A-mount-lenses
El Aura
2 years ago |That assumes that:
(a) upgrading both NEX camera and PD-AF module together will be more expensive than upgrading your all-in-one SLT camera (possible but not guaranteed)
(b) being able to upgrade AF and sensor at different intervals will not have benefits for the users (upgrade only what you care about most)
Steve Jones
2 years ago |In principle, it’s a very good idea to have an enhanced A-Mount adapter for NEX series cameras, especially if it supports screw-drive lenses (in fact I would view that as essential). The NEX would then, in effect, be the base of a modular camera system.
However, whether such a thing could be made to work seamlessly with existing NEX systems is another question. The NEX base system would have to understand the PAF system and the data interface to the new adapter would have to incorporate all the appropriate control interfaces.
Also, to make this a viable alternative to an A-Mount camera, any new NEX cameras would require in-body stabilisation and, hopefully, the potential for FF (reputedly possible with the E mount throat size). Clearly any such NEX would have to have a more substantial body than the current ones and include a built-in EVF.
Personally I think such a camera won’t be appearing soon, but it does give some slight credence to the idea of an A-Mount NEX that was rumoured a couple of weeks ago. My list of the requirements for such a camera would include :-
1) Native E-Mount
2) Enhanced A-Mount adapter with PAF & SLT
3) Body should include an EVF
4) An optional grip to optimise ergonomics when used in “A-Mount” mode
5) In body stabilisation
6) Support for CF card
Why buy this rather than a native A-Mount? Primarily to provide a more compact travel option with smaller lenses whilst still being able to exploit my collection of A-Mount lenses.
El Aura
2 years ago |Why do you compare a FF camera with a cropped one? And why do you compare an (adapted) SLT camera with an optical viewfinder one? And where do you get the periscope idea from?
The Leica module had a periscope to provide a through-the-lens viewfinder. No liveview capable camera needs a this optical viewfinder aspect for this this, nor does the referred to SLT cameras use the mirror for any viewfinder purposes.
The picture is there to show that somebody already did create a mirror-containing module for a mirrorless camera in the past (for the purpose of focus and framing). With SLT it would by definition not be for framing, only for focus, which means there would be by definition no ‘periscope’. But people see the picture and cannot abstract from it, in their mind this module will look like the picture and be as bulky.
john
2 years ago |Will this be the end to DSLR’s?
http://cdn.photojojo.net/store/awesomeness/productImages/iphone-slr-mount-e14c_600.0000001309999543.jpg
El Aura
2 years ago |So, you already have seen a G3 with such an adaptor to know that it is big, looks ugly, chunky, incompatible with accessories, poor ergonomics, poor balance with lenses?
Did you ever see a camera with a TC+lens? Did it look big, ugly, chunky and had poor ergonomics and poor balance?
Such a module by definition has the depth of existing mount adaptors. And nobody forces them to make the mirror cover fully the frame, it can be much smaller if it covers only the area that current (D)SLR PD systems cover.
You seem to imply that using a lens such the Olympus 43 35-100 mm f/2 on, eg, a Panasonic G3 (with adaptor) is always going to be so inferior to using it with an, eg, Olympus E3 that anybody wanting to use low DOF lenses (ie, largish lenses that really benefit from PD-AF) will never be happy with a smallish body like a G3, adaptor or no adaptor, and will anyway get a DSLR (or maybe SLT). In short that nobody will ever use a large lens on a small body and thus such adaptors are pointless.
And what does Full Frame have to do with this? Do you mean that any product that is not FF is useless anyway?
Nico
2 years ago |It’s just tell us that there won’t be a “Nex body” with A-mount as previous rumor said….
And it means that Sony believe in their Nex camera and they are right !
A lot of people still buy SLR because they think the bulky body design (and big lenses…) make them look more “professional” !! ah ah…
The Lotus Eater
2 years ago |Would you like it to make your dinner too?
dd
2 years ago |The first real révolution will be when human eye performances will be reached…
Well, somebody nows the technical specification of an eye (aperture, sensibility, HDR, …) ?
MrMJS
2 years ago |Sounds like an ergonomic nightmare to me
sholky
2 years ago |So if this would make DSLR/SLT obsolete, it would mean having a camera with crappy ergonomics, poor battery life and no image stabilisation, and I’m supposed to do something serious with it? Come on…
Helena
2 years ago |Uff, no revolutionary as I thinked. Sony, make E-mount lenses: 50mm f1.8, 30 mm f2.0, 60 mm macro, a “cheap” “no optimized for video” 18-200 mm… ¿another gadget? bah.
Red
2 years ago |non-fullframe? NEX’s loser forever :-j
john
2 years ago |And it will lose IBIS! on NEX bodies on all A-mount lenses compared to Alpha cameras.
This is not revolutionary.
Not even progress just a sideways move.
Add a mirror to a mirrorless camera and lose IBIS
Will NEX7 have IBIS…maybe but…
This just fills the gaping hole in the E-mount lineup and buys Sony time to either bring out dedicated E-mount lenses so they don’t lose ground to MFT or implement on sensor PDAF
Still waiting….
El Aura
2 years ago |“In the end, it probably makes more sense to buy a-mount camera instead of NEX with those 2 add-ons”
And in the end it might make more sense to buy a Panasonic G3 instead of a GF-X plus a viewfinder. Conclusion: there is no point in Panasonic offering a viewfinder for the GF-x cameras.
(That is following your logic.)
El Aura
2 years ago |The depth is given by the flange difference between the A and E-mount. It cannot be of any other depth, it will be exactly as deep as existing A to E-mount adaptors. Its diameter (or height and width) might not be compact but the length is given.
Rob
2 years ago |Sorry, the whole thing leaves me cold.
El Aura
2 years ago |“other than the fact that now u can use both A-mount and E-mount lenses on the same camera”
Which is the whole point, you don’t need to buy and carry two cameras.
tipper
2 years ago |I don’t understand the hype about SLT Sony is making.
For me the SLT technologie is just a bridge technologie to total mirroless designs. Contrast autofocus will be as fast as SLT focus and other solution will come for phase dectection focus without mirror.
The only interesting thing about the adapter might be an integrated AF Motor for the A-Mount Lenses that’s all.
Sky_walker
2 years ago |It all depends on a part of the world. Even: country. I used to think Nikon rules the europe as in my City I almost never seen any Canon SLR. When however I went to my first vacations with SLR I noticed that everyone use Canon cameras – there were only 2 Nikons through all my time spent, and it was barely 200km away from my city.
So… the fact you haven’t seen this doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
Letten
2 years ago |This might make my buying decision easier. I’m looking at Panasonic G3, Nex and SLT.
I’m a P&S upgrader. Used to have a SLR many years ago but uncertain if it grows into serious hobby.
I don’t have legacy glass and I might just buy two lenses to start with, but this would mean a Nex could grow into a more serious camera if the need arises.
El Aura
2 years ago |I don’t think an optical viewfinder would work, look at the position of the focussing screen on existing 43 DLSRs compared to the sensor. If you were to supplant the optical viewfinder system of these cameras onto a m43 camera, it would protrude very much into the camera.
Said differently, superimpose a 43 optical path onto a m43 optical path and you will see that the m43 mount sits square where the 43 mirror sits. And if you wanted to add a mirror on front of the m43 mount it would require the mount to be further pushed out towards the lens, ie, you would a completely new set of lenses again.
Sony is in a better position because the E-mount is, particularly in relative terms, much closer to the sensor.
Sky_walker
2 years ago |“Maybe Sony want to retire A-mount system and concentrate on E-mount business?” – Nope, they don’t. Why would they anyway? Leading 2 systems is in their best interest income-wise. Plus: they can lure clients on pro-users of the A-mount system.
aperture-arts.de
2 years ago |No need for such a device! I thought for something revolutionary like a new SLT FF with enormous Mpx or ultra high ISO, new sensor technology, new lenses ….
Sky_walker
2 years ago |“A-mount and all the SLR’s are dead” – they are as much dead as PCs were in 2008. LOL
Sky_walker
2 years ago |“Why buy a SLT over a Panasonic G3-type of camera which includes such a PD module?” – ergonomics, full support for A-mount accessories, proper balance of body+lens set. There’s no reason to buy G3+adapter really – big, looks ugly, chunky, incompatible with accessories, poor ergonomics, poor balance with lenses, lack of Full Frame option… list goes on.
El Aura
2 years ago |That is of course the critical question: will a NEX with this adaptor be noticeably inferior in handling to a SLT camera? This seems like a reasonable concern but if it does not add more bulk than a TC would add on a SLT/SLR, this downside could be very minimal.
(If this adaptor will work with existing NEX cameras, the second part of your analogy – skating shoes without the skates – would not be any worse than a pure NEX.)
Amateur Sony Shooter
2 years ago |I have another concern. Maybe Sony want to retire A-mount system and concentrate on E-mount business? They have so much going for E-mount: its their own standard optimized for still AND MOTION pictures. Sony have repeatedly said they see future as still & motion pictures converge together in single platform. Through this SLT AF adapter, all the SAM/SSM lenses are no longer orphan any more, for those with screw drive lenses owner, well, that’s too bad. They are the victim of Sony’s own evolution.
hanugro
2 years ago |I would rather buy an a-mount camera that provide 3 shooting modes. fast fps dSLT, slow fps/single shoot dSLR (translucent mirror flip), and manual focus mirrorless mode (with the translucent mirror lock up).
imjohnsmith
2 years ago |Is this the end of DSLR-SLT cameras?
No. This is the end of Alpha cameras.
El Aura
2 years ago |What if you want a small package with wide-angle and standard zooms and primes but also fast AF with tele lenses?
You seem to imply to get two camera and lens systems. This feels a bit like saying that if you for some occasions want a camera without a battery grip and for others one with a grip, you should best get two cameras (instead of a camera with a removable grip).
Of course, the ergonomics of a camera with a built-in grip are better as will be the ones of a SLT camera but are they better enough to warrant the purchase of a second camera (+ overlapping lenses)?
john
2 years ago |YUP
Mirrorless is the future.
Sony already have mirrorless offerings..NEX line.
So why would ADDING a mirror to a mirrorless system be considered progress?
Vastly improved CDAF or PDAF on sensor is the way to go.
SLT is great but just a stop gap solution.
emopunk
2 years ago |Moreover, this maneuver looks quite suicidal in a marketing meaning. This would make Sony lose the few pros they have in the System, and definitively make Canikon quiet ’cause they don’t have any competition from Sony in pro photography market. They should instead have been separating further NEX and alpha system. First more consumer oriented, the latter more professional with a network of services for pro users and image quality as first goal. This way I imagine lots of people won’t invest any further in Alpha system and they’ll start to look around..
Anon
2 years ago |LAME!!!
Amateur Sony Shooter
2 years ago |On second thought, there are few issues remain: supose this “modular” approach is a good idea, the cost of NEX body is not much lower than SLT body, while each generation NEX has better image sensor but that SLT AF adapter is not going to be as good as newer SLT camera (more AF points, cross & double cross points). So Sony will have to make new SLT AF adapter again. This will add significant cost to buyers, not to mention compromised handling.
The idea is very fresh and I give Sony full credit for thinking outside of box, but in practical I see limited apearl in market place. PDAF on sensor is the only way to retire old mirror system.
emopunk
2 years ago |I really don’t understand such an enthusiasm. Do you think that shoting with a small body (nex-5 for example), this kind of periscope adapter and Sony 70-200 f2.8 should be a better experience than shooting with an A900 + same 70-200? Am I the only one seeing insanity in all of this?
emopunk
2 years ago |EDIT
El Aura
2 years ago |And what is the equivalent of the SLT cameras? R or M?
Digital sensors and electronic viewfinders really do change the game. Why buy a SLT nowadays over a mirrorless in the Panasonic G3 form factor? PD AF + legacy lenses.
Why buy a SLT over a Panasonic G3-type of camera which includes such a PD module?
Alexandre
2 years ago |yep, i was afraid my 70-400 SSM would die with A-mount, now it will live forever muahahah
redfern
2 years ago |It has always seemed to me that the SLTs were a stopgap on the road to a future mirrorless A-mount camera with PDAF on sensor. But since that camera is not ready yet, the SLTs were the best they could do.
Now, with this adapter, Sony seems like it’s getting closer to creating a mirrorless A-mount camera but is concerned about alienating the E-mount users. So if and when that magical mirrorless A-mount arrives, they have to offer a way for the E-mount users to transition easily to A-mount lenses. Hence this becomes another stopgap.
My concern is that when they finally do create a mirrorless A-mount, they will merge systems and orphan the E-mount line. It feels a lot like they are rethinking the idea of creating a different mount and are trying to find a way to easily backpedal from it.
Tanglefoot
2 years ago |I see quite a few Nex cameras about but have NEVER seen one without either of the kit lenses attached….
On online forums there may be a few who use adapted lenses, but out in the real world it will be a tiny percentage – hands up who has seen a NEX with a non E-mount lens out & about (other than in your own hands!)…
SLTPro
2 years ago |Great to see things moving forward! But to be honest as a pro I’m only interested in NEX as a second camera and I’m sure they will make awesome portable second cameras! For me personally the Alpha game changer will be a full frame mirrorless alpha mount pro camera with on sensor phase detection, sealed body, 26 Mpix (More than enough!!) a shit hot focusing system High ISO performance to beat at least the 5DII an preferably approaching D3s territory.
I love my A900 but I just wish I could cram that FF sensor inside my A55, and fix the buffer overflow issue as I just love everything about that sweet little SLT! If I need to settle for an A77 for now I might just do that…
00aeiou00
2 years ago |This is great news!!!! The killer app is for the VG-10 and FS100!! With this, we could have constant fast focusing for our videos!
J
Carl
2 years ago |The sensor needs to be further away. It needs to be equal to 18mm from the back of the adaptor.
Wirralpix
2 years ago |It has to be deep enough to house a translucent mirror so it won’t be compact.
Falcon75
2 years ago |ehhh??? Is this all???
What’s the point anyway?
For us who want to good SLR/SLT camera… what’s this for???
For me, I want a fast camera, with fast AF, with multi frames/sec, with high image quality in high ISOs, with a good hand grip confortable for shooting several hours, with confortable and intuitive buttons so I don’t need to take my eye out of the OVF/EVF….
NEX is nothing to me… except (if I had the money) I could buy a small NEX to take family pics on free time…
I don’t see the big deal on this thing… Pretty useless in my point of view!
Once again, I think Sony is going on opposite way…
And I still see nothing good coming out of the A77 to replace my A700…. And delays and more delays and the totally lack on news….let’s hope I’m wrong…
And in the end, there are some good rumors, and lots of speculation about high Iso image quality… but honestly, I’m affraid we might all be disapointed in the end… you know, when the expectations are too high, nothing is good enough!
Let’s see…
About this Rumor… Totally useless, in my opinion!
If I want a big camera, I can buy one… not a small one with a huge accessory!
Carl
2 years ago |Sony Visoflex. I’m only really interested if it’s paving the way towards a full frame NEX.
Tanglefoot
2 years ago |Pretty condemning but kind of where my line of thought is going – great for the FS100 & VG10 users – they can have speedy AF with a decent range of lenses. Interesting for A-mount only owners as they can buy a NEX as a pocket camera yet use it properly with their A-mount lenses when the need arises.
Much of a market or future beyond that….? I doubt it.
Looking at it from the other direction – people upgrading to NEX from P&S or have downsized from their entry level DSLR with kit lens (which i imagine is the vast majority of NEX users) – I really dont see any of them going for this. IF they do buy another lens it will perhaps be an upgraded zoom, perhaps a macro or even an old lens for novelty value.
If they are thinking of getting more serious with their photography they will buy an SLR/T if only for the LOOK of it – imagine turning up for a pro photoshoot with a little NEX & adaptor – you would probably be told to stuff off, even if it is capable of getting the shot. Image is everything!
I’d imagine you could quite effectively design websites with a £300 laptop from Argos with some beefed up internals – can you imagine wanting a new website & turning up to meet your guy & he has this weedy looking 13″ laptop…
Alexandre
2 years ago |A-mount and all the SLR’s are dead (we just dont know when the funeral is), SLT’s are a transition model, and when the in sensor PDAF arrives SLT’s will follow the SLR’s to the graveyard, the future will be E-mount, and if they offer me the possibility of taking full advantage of my A-mount lenses in the future that has to be good news!
Frosti7
2 years ago |btw, i’ve made this mock-up a week ago
http://i54.tinypic.com/2liapaf.jpg
Sky_walker
2 years ago |“i.e. the imaginary flip-up mode is not possible” – it is possible. Both physically and technically. Ba! there’s more: Flip-up mode was in original patent describing SLT technology, so Sony have thought about that too.
Why we don’t see it now can have few reasons. One of them being a need of leaving some features for next generations of cameras (yes, you never put all gimmicks into your first camera), another being rumored issues with current mirror being too fragile for constant flip-up, even if it’d be available only in single-shot mode. As things progress I’m sure we gonna see it implemented at some point (probably the full frame camera in next year… or at least: I hope so).
Mihai
2 years ago |If this adapter is the first step towards a modular system them it really is a revolution coming. I would love to see something(a NEX) that you can transform it in an Alpha camera with full grip and all else, and then transform it into a video camera or a small rage finder as it best suites you. Just think how nice would be to be able to change just your sensor module or just your auto focus module and so on. It would really be a revolution coming.
Frosti7
2 years ago |one of the best rumors ever.
Finally i can get only the NEX-7 and attach PDAF lens if i need to shoot action/sport during the day, and then in the evening when im going out i’ll just snap a pancake on – and i have a slim/small unoticable camera for social events
Thats basically a multi-functional body, can be either small or big whenevr you choose
john
2 years ago |“SLT does not allow shooting without the transluscent mirror (i.e. the imaginary flip-up mode is not possible). So, there will always be the loss of 1/3 stop of light and ghosting issues, making photography in some situations un favorable.
But with this new adapter and NEX… you can enjoy the power of SLT, and whenever any situation demands, you can switch back to the current adapter, and use NEX like like an SLT in flip-up mode.”
So you would have to buy BOTH adapters to take advantage of AF or no light loss with A-mount lenses.
Sounds Great………for Sony.
Sky_walker
2 years ago |“a third group are the hobbyists that have other glass and use it with a adapter – but that is a minority” – it is a minority in systems like m4/3 or NX. In Sony E system I dare to say that it’s about half of users if not more. Sony has too small offer to lure people only on current lenses, but they lure them with largest amount of possible adapters, including adapters to other mirrorless systems, like m4/3 itself.
It’s a great thing never the less, as it plays huge role in educating people in photography and many folks do manual focusing first time in their life with NEX & lenses through adapters.
Jacky
2 years ago |It is better to have on sensor PDAF or a super fast CDAF.
Adding the translucent mirror will reduce light to the sensor.
Amgis
2 years ago |http://sonyalphanex.blogspot.com/2011/03/sony-nex-dslr-via-leica-visoflex.html
john
2 years ago |Yes for those with a huge collection of A-mount lenses they can buy a NEX7 ,mirrorless camera, and ADD a mirror.
Paul W
2 years ago |Assuming this gives full AF on all A-mount lenses then why not – I’m all for a wider range of system accessories for Sony’s range. Is there a possibility I wonder whether this might also offer mirror lock up on an SLT?
This also sounds like confirmation that there is an accessory EVF coming for the NEX range that is hot shoe mountable (3MP OLED ???)
Jennzhen
2 years ago |Adapter with translucent mirror inside will be more expensive than the current A to E-mount Adapter.
Then you may also want to buy the add-on EVF, which means more $$ to spend.
In the end, it probably makes more sense to buy a-mount camera instead of NEX with those 2 add-ons.
If you just want NEX as backup, but does not want to carry additional NEX lenses in addition to a-mount lenses … then why not buy the smallest and lightest a-mount camera as backup?
Don’t get me wrong, I’m a NEX user … and yet the idea of getting a-mount adapter never appeal to me.
If Sony does not release better lenses for NEX, then I will just buy A77/something. Then NEX + kit lens will become the backup.
saiman
2 years ago |I must add… Another huge benefit over SLT.
SLT does not allow shooting without the transluscent mirror (i.e. the imaginary flip-up mode is not possible). So, there will always be the loss of 1/3 stop of light and ghosting issues, making photography in some situations un favorable.
But with this new adapter and NEX… you can enjoy the power of SLT, and whenever any situation demands, you can switch back to the current adapter, and use NEX like like an SLT in flip-up mode.
Again… just adding more pro like choice.
And, to all the people worrying about ergonomics and ease of use, I see many people carrying two dslrs for ease of use and not go through the hassel of changing lenses. Whereas, the poor enthusiasts like me live with one camera, and will also never carry two cameras for portability.
Similarly, some will carry a an SLT and a NEX for ease of use. And, some will carry just the NEX and the adapter. That’s how I see it.
FullFrame NEX (24x36)!
2 years ago |I shoot a Nikon D700 and have been using my Sony NEX primarily for Leica/Voigtlander lenses and some legacy lenses I have from other manufacturers.
Sony is getting ready to release (for FullFrame) a new 50mm 1.4, a new 50mm 1.2.
The rumor was reported here on SAR:
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/hot-patent-discloses-a-new-sony-50mm-f1-2-and-f1-4-fast-lens/
(I read somewhere that one or both of the upcoming 50mm’s from Sony are going to feature the concave front element design similar to the old Zeiss Contaflex lenses.)
I love shooting 50mm’s on a FullFrame format. This adapter is great, I’ll definitely be adding new Alpha lenses to my lens collection.
Alexandre
2 years ago |this is very, very good news, it means A-mount wont die tomorrow and if the Nex-7 became to be a more professional, bigger and ergonómic camera, those who have a huge coleccion of A-mount lens (like me) can take full advantage of this! an
INSTANT SLT AND PHASE DETECTION AF, just by mounting an adapter, lt looks like a future modular system!
thank you Sony, finally you got one right! this is a realy game changer with fantastic possibilities
deniz
2 years ago |this is what olympus should do. a phase detect 4/3 adapter with optical viewfinder. with just one adapter they can save the 4/3 lens line and expand m4/3 to a whole new concept.
but im not sure why sony would do this. maybe they want to move nex users to a mount by adapting a mount lenses?
Steve
2 years ago |+1
Yet another bit of stuff to expand the e-mount system, when in fact it doesn’t – it just turns it into an slt a-mount. And if I had wanted an slt, I would have bought one and not the nex.
Besides anything else, it’s likely that an NEX + slt converter will weigh more than an slt so it won’t steal sales from slt or mean the death of slt at all. And people ho buy NEX do so for the size, so they won’t want this either.
This is about as revolutionary as 0.45x wide angle lens converters = CRAP no-one uses.
I really hope this rumor proves false.
shade
2 years ago |As a 14 year old boy I was excited about a new generation of inline skates that could detach the wheels to use as normal shoes.
I ordered them and by the time I put them on my feet, I felt a rush of disappointment. Too bulky as inline-skates (compared to normal ones), too bulky as shoes (compared to normal ones), the usefulness was there, but they were as far from sexy as anyone can imagine. And it was not the quality, the build quality was fine.
Bottom line, I returned them. I have never again seen someone use them.
Right now I got the same feeling for this “practical addition” to SLTs. It’s lacking so much elegance that consumers/enthusiasts will never use it, and Pros will prefer to buy/carry 2 bodies if they need the utility of both worlds.
Ah-ha
2 years ago |I guess this is Sony making it easier on themselves by not releasing new NEX lenses but making a huge library available? Easy solution that would take years to solve otherwise. Everyone here is knocking it but it really is a nice way to have the option to use a-mount when you don’t need the compactness (like at home) and take it off when you have to put it in your man purse on your way to yoga class. Can’t do that with an SLT. Revolutionary? According to the dictionary, perhaps. According to SAR readers expecting some fullframe or a77/N7 specs? Nope.
Myst
2 years ago |well, considering that olympus made a killer contrast AF system, i would say that’s a more convenient way to go, you have a very fast AF, no translucent mirror to block light, and no mirror to add vibration. Besides contrast AF is more accurate than Phase detect, their only problem is the sensor itself, not really up to Sony’s sensors.
snrvl2
2 years ago |Leica started making the Visoflex in 1934 and stopped doing so in 1964 (they had a decent slr by that time). Obviously they realized that either for macro or long lens telephotography a dedicated SLR was far more useful then a RF with some form of adapter.
i do not see any reason for Sony to more or less copy the idea. both macro and long tele is not where you buy a NEX for. and if you still want to use it that way you are better of with a tripod and some hood for the LCD panel to be able to focus accurately.
the whole idea of a body that can accept a lot of different glass through adapters is more or less a marketing gimmick suitable to lure owners of legacy equipment into buying a NEX – i wonder how many of them in the long term will use legacy glass.
NEX is a system that stands on it’s own, aimed at two distinct groups of people: those that want to move up from a simple P&S and people who bought a dslr and are not having the success with it that they thought. a third group are the hobbyists that have other glass and use it with a adapter – but that is a minority that is willing and able to live with the restrictions the use of a adapter brings about.
Sky_walker
2 years ago |“I think this is the very first and concrete step that will make DSLR cameras obsolete.” – hehehe, no way it’d ever happen. You know the history of cameras? You know the history of these adapters, their purpose?
They didn’t made anything to big cameras in past, even though at the time small cameras used same size of sensor as their big brothers. Now the small cameras are lagging even more behind the big one than just ergonomics – these days they are limited to the small sensor.
Many people here foreseeing the immediate death of traditional cameras have no slightest idea on what’s going on.
I have first-hand info that Sony doesn’t plan to remove Alpha mount not change it’s role in regard to E-mount, and your recent confirmation that the NEX-7 will be “X100 alike” only reassured me in that. NEX will remain as system in-between compact cameras and SLRs (whatever they would be SLT or DSLR) offering DSLR sensors in small package and smaller lenses. Adapter you see will help the A-mount photographers when they cannot take large camera (weight limitations) but need to use A-mount lenses, as well as – most importantly – it’ll be a solution for FS100 & VG10 shooters to the huge lack in lenses offer. (simple: It’s easier to make adapter than new lenses)
It’s in now way a product with the “big future behind“. It’s a solution for huge lacks in Sony offer currently.
Definitely it won’t “break the camel’s back” – maybe it will hurt the sales of Canon and Nikon mirrorless system a bit, but in now way gonna do any harm to them beyond that.
Valdemar
2 years ago |I am interested in the NEX system because of its small size and image quality. Seems Sony is doing everything they can to add weight to their bodies: this adapter, the bulky upcoming lenses, the existing A mount adapter, etc.
They seem unaware about the “always with you” potential the NEX would have with Leica M size glass.
john
2 years ago |I can’t believe I shaved my legs for this.
Milan
2 years ago |Would it also work with the Nex FS-100?
Miroslav
2 years ago |Way to go Sony! A revolution indeed. They should have made that in the first place instead of SLT line.
Is this the end of DSLR-SLT cameras?
Yes. If that thing make lenses work as well as A55, then why would anyone buy a SLT or DSLR? Ergonomically, NEX need bigger bodies to make that combo look normal.
I hope other manufacturers follow with their adapters.
@Andrea – when will that adapter be available?
Tanglefoot
2 years ago |REALLY!!! Go to sleep & wake up in a few years if you want that kind of revolutionary jump…
P.s. some of those will NEVER happen so it may be a very long sleep…
NEX5
2 years ago |The more I think about it, the worst it sounds. It could be interesting for those who allready have A-mount or old Minolta glass, but that’s it.
This will make NEX big and bulky, it will raise the cost, it will remove 1/3 F-stop of light, it will be anoter place that will collect dust to be seen on pictures…
I was hoping Sony will anounce PDAF on sensor or very fast CDAF and global shutter. Now that wolud be revolution! To get away from mirrors and all mechanical parts of camera. It would reduce cost and make the camera smaller and lighter.
Who wants to buy NEX and make it big with adaptor and A-lenses?
Who wants to buy NEX and make it behave like SLT or SLR? Then just buy pure SLT or SLR?
NEX users need native lenses, especially pancakes. Mirror is gonna dissapear sooner or later, and I don’t want to buy A-lenses. When I want to play with lenses there are numerous adapters for old manual lenses and they cost next to nothing on ebay.
Totalreader
2 years ago |summary price and size of NEX plus adaptor is not interesting in comparison with SLR/SLT
saiman
2 years ago |Btw… this reminds me about FS100 !!! O.M.G. ..and how it can be transformed into an SLT!!! that is just WOW!!!
Again… i’m adding… this is an amazing news!! … The key part here is modularization of our digital camera…. Buying any E-mount camera will now be like buying a sensor and a processor. Then, you make your custom camera out of it that matches with particular needs of a shoot. Brilliant!
Amateur Sony Shooter
2 years ago |If the adapter is only little bigger (thicker) than LA-EA, and provide SLT level of AF performance, I still think many people will buy into NEX system. It’s like have 2 cameras in one package. Of course, if you prefer good handling with A-mount lenses, SLT is the better choice.
Canikon killer? Don’t think so.
FullFrame NEX (24x36)!
2 years ago |Kick butt, Sony!!!
Sony is really innovating, Nikon and Canon need to watch out!
Please give us a FullFrame NEX!
A FullFrame NEX combined with this adapter will really put Sony light years ahead of the competition!
Thanks for the post, Andrea!
Bernd
2 years ago |Funny how almost every camera specific invention of the last 70+ years seems to be re-invented now and sold to the public as a great step forward. Maybe next week Sony is going to offer a large black cloth to put over camera and photographer’s head as the perfect way to make the display picture clearly visible even in bright sunlight
Tanglefoot
2 years ago |But this makes NEX an attractive option as a backup – though maybe not quite as intuitive, it CAN do all the things my main camera can do & when i’m traveling light i can strip it down to take with me. Saves me having to buy two cameras to do two different jobs
For the first time i am interested in the NEX line – i will have to see how it works in reality of course, but a no brainer for Sony IMHO
Sky_walker
2 years ago |“Alpha cameras and the NEX cameras are very much like the Leica R and Leica M ranges which serviced very different needs.” – Exactly. So: Alpha-doombringers – forget about it.
Mike
2 years ago |I should have written: “any significant number of persons” instead of “people”
admin
2 years ago |No Anticlimax. I told you the rumor is small. What’s big is the future behind that new product! I think this is the very first and concrete step that will make DSLR cameras obsolete. Of course all it is a long path and there will be future improvements to make.
So please don’t focus on the adapter onky. See the change that will come in future!
Sky_walker
2 years ago |“in some way, this make the NEX a bit like GXR” – not really. It makes it a camera with ’60s adapter.
“Of course, the advantage is not to have to buy a new sensor every time!!” – I think you misunderstood the rumor. Adapter won’t have sensor in it. Also it won’t make E-bayonet suddenly full-frame compatible.
“being a leica-killer for classic lens user” – Leica users won’t even consider it. That’s totally different target. Miles away from NEX or even: NEX with adapter from previous epoch.
saiman
2 years ago |I fully agree with the admin here…. that IS the way to go! The key is here providing more choice. How can that be anti-climax? It’s an awesome news, Andrea!
However, I will still buy an SLT, and let the NEX system grow more matured before I buy.
But Sony is surely set on the right path, and I can see very bright future ahead.
Btw, admin, do you know if this adapter will support the screwdrive AF? Or, are we still talking about SAM and SSM only?
Lastly, given the ongoing Japan crisis, I think it is understandable the delay in releasing new NEX lenses. I hope people of the NEX camp would be patient, and enjoy the A-mount and the third party lenses for a while.
Mike
2 years ago |Didn’t Sony reps state like 90% of all DSLR buyers never even buy additional lenses? I guess that number more or less also applies to NEX users. Then how are they expecting any significant number of people buying such obscure adapters?
Without mass-production and any competition, the price will stay high which makes it also little attractive for power users.
Tanglefoot
2 years ago |Good point!
john
2 years ago |Not the end of A-mount by any means but should help shake up the mirrorless market.
Except for the what, 3! E-mount lenses now both camera lines lose 1/3 of a stop.
Sure will plug the gaping hole in E-mount lens lineup though.
This could be revolutionary IF they make similar adapters for Canon/Nikon/Pentax/Leica so they too auto focus.
I’d much rather have PDAF on sensor OR much improved CDAF and do away with all mirrors.
Totalreader
2 years ago |If sony has told goodbye to Bayer and hello Global Shutter is there would be a revolution.
And so – next gadget, no more
Timbah
2 years ago |If they do this with different mounts (Nikon, Pentax and all the Medium Formats are possible, Canons are not really) then they could gain a lot new users who don’t want to give up their existing system but would like a secondary camera… or Nex as primary but to be able to use existing lenses from other systems.
Very weak
2 years ago |This is a very very very weak rumor…
I have expected some TRULY mindblowing technical revolution like:
- serious increase in dinamic range (from 10-12 stop to above 20 without HDR trick)
- higher + noise free iso, like 100K (102400), 200K, 400K, 800K, 1600K
- new mindblowing CMOS Foveon like sensor with global shutter, made from black silicon (see http://www.tomshardware.com/news/black-silicon-photography,6485.html)
- ultra new lenses with zero distortion, zero cromatic aberration, and constant sharpness in the full zoom range, also from f/1.0 to f/22
- 4k or 8k raw video with maximum 240 fps
So this news… this NEX adapter… is nothing. It wasn’t worth waiting in the past few days.
Wake me up when something brilliant new technology will be in the rumors.
Chris Lewis
2 years ago |It wouldn’t replace a FF SLT or DSLR for me unless there was a FF NEX. That said, I still think the Alpha cameras and the NEX cameras are very much like the Leica R and Leica M ranges which serviced very different needs.
santela
2 years ago |Honestly though, if they make something like this how is it gonna be more compact than a SLR camera? I don’t see any advantage in this thing other than the fact that now u can use both A-mount and E-mount lenses on the same camera.
Don Cox
2 years ago |It is easy to imagine people using such an adaptor. Wildlife films are an obvious application, especially of smaller creatures.
I see no reason why independent makers cannot bring out versions for Nikon or Canon lenses. There are no moving parts or electronics involved. They just need a source of semi-reflecting mirrors.
On the other hand, for many jobs the new viewfinder or live view may be better.
Tanglefoot
2 years ago |Not really – No. 3 is for people who are buying a NEX as their main camera anyway. No. 1 is for people who were going to buy an SLR/T but this makes NEX a viable alternative so now may be preferable.
kchchow
2 years ago |second thought. the advantage of this over the previous LAEA1 adapter is only AF speed?
Then, I am not sure. Surely as technology advances, AF speed for NEX will improve to a point that the difference is not worth forging out for this.
If the purpose is for an OVF, then why not just get a normal DSLR?
Sky_walker
2 years ago |“this is obviously going to be useful to those who own both types of Sony camera.” – yep, exactly. And that’s where it’s usefulness ends.
Wirralpix
2 years ago |Why would you buy a NEX and then want it to behave like an SLT?
Marc
2 years ago |There is definitely a market for that adapter. And I think it’s a good thing that Sony is trying out new things and thinking outside of the box.
Nevertheless I’m still going to buy an SLT camera, either the A65 or the A35 (Andrea, more rumors about the specs and price of the A65 please).
There will be more and more new SLT models coming out than SLR models. And the trend is moving to completely mirrorless cameras. But the SLT/SLR cameras will be around for many years, don’t worry about a dying system.
I’m not worried about buying an SLT model in the next months and the newer, mirrorless technology flooding the market. I’m staying with my A-mount lenses and I prefer an SLT/SLR camera built for those lenses to a nice-looking and slim NEX with a bulky attached adapter.
Sky_walker
2 years ago |Revolutionary? Bleah…. boring. I’m disappointed. Hoped it’d be something… revolutionary, or at least: something that would apply also to the SLRs.
Chris Lewis
2 years ago |Anti-climax, yes but in a good way. I had fears that Sony were up to something we would all live to regret.
This is a small, but beautifully formed, concept which if it works well would make a very nice addition to my NEX experience and would enable people like me who like candid work to make better use of my longer Alpha lenses.
I hope it isn’t expensive and I hope we don’t have to wait for a year or two to get our hands on one.
Stewe
2 years ago |Useless piece of shit. It’s not revolutionary, it’s really stupid. It’s like crutches. Just buy a77/65/35/33 if you want slt.
Tanglefoot
2 years ago |P.S. Andrea – what about an option of purchasing a NEX AS WELL as an SLT on the survey?
I doubt i’ll be moving away fom my big chunky cameras for purely handling & feel purposes &, although NEX is nice, i’ve never been that taken with it because of lens selection with AF issues so have not wanted to buy one prior to this.
This makes NEX a much more versitile & usable backup option – pretty pocketable with an E-mount lens for light travel but fully usable as a backup to your main A-mount camera – 2 cameras in one to save the pennies
P.S. Keep up the great work!
MajorTom123
2 years ago |Will it have screw drive? Or SSM/SAM only?
Don Cox
2 years ago |I’m not sure the revival of a 50-year old gadget is a revolution, but this is obviously going to be useful to those who own both types of Sony camera.
A plain ground glass screen with a magnifying finder (looking downward) would probably be most useful in practice – better than an electronic finder. Grid lines on the screen (or easily changeable screens) would help.
C
2 years ago |lol. Maybe my 50mm f/1.8 will take less then 7 seconds to focus.
As much as I want this I think I’ll have to pass. On the VG10 the kit lens works perfect for when I need AF, otherwise pulling focus is good enough.
Edgars
2 years ago |I’m not sure it makes SLT cameras obsolete. Ergonomics, two card slots, larger battery etc. is advantages of SLT/DSLR.
santela
2 years ago |As a NEX shooter this does not excite me.
However, this may mean that we will possibly see full frame NEX cameras? (AKA Leica M9 killer?) Now that’s revolutionary!
And I think Sony is behind on developing lenses for E-mount, so instead of actually coming out with any good native NEX lenses, they are just gonna give us a goofy looking huge ass adapter, and tell us to go buy their A-mount crap. GREAT.
mugen
2 years ago |If it can work with screw driven lenses will be great, Someone know that ?
kchchow
2 years ago |I always say that unlike N and C, Sony has no baggage from its DSLR heritage. And hence, mirrorless is always the killer form for Sony to knock others off the perch.
in some way, this make the NEX a bit like GXR, with the NEX body being the main body and this adapter a mid-module. Of course, the advantage is not to have to buy a new sensor every time!!
also, now w/ this adaptor in place, NEX can go FF more readily. A NEX-FF will serve the existing A900 fans as well as being a leica-killer for classic lens user.
But then, the big question is: how much would the whole setup cost?
NEX5
2 years ago |Yeah, nice idea, but it’s not what i expected… I have a NEX and I don’t see a reason to buzy something like this. We’d be happier if they concentrated on making more native E-mount lenses and creating PDAF.
My December
2 years ago |Isn’t option #1 and #3 in the poll is the same?
Brendon
2 years ago |So we get a sleek, slim NEX camera with a big bulky adapter and an even bigger bulkier lens attached to it ? Sounds like an ergonomic nightmare !
I suppose it will be useful to some people though I wish Sony would concentrate on strengthening the Sony NEX lens line up instead.
SonyA77
2 years ago |I’m with mf, anti-climax…
Mike
2 years ago |No revolution. Do you really imagine people taking pictures using a NEX camera and such an adapter, particularly if it looks like the one on the screenshot?
Tanglefoot
2 years ago |Gah!! I was close
Sounds cool – rather obvious line to be going down really
Leo
2 years ago |Interesting. Please be compatible with NEX-7!
mf
2 years ago |Anti Climax! hahaha
but I do like the idea though!