The 2013 prediction by Impress Japan magazine (NEX FF)
Every year the Japanese magazine “Impress Japan” interviews company managers form the photographic industry and after that writes down their 2013 product forecast. These are the three main new things they expect from Sony:
1) Full Frame NEX
2) Further miniaturization of lenses (pancakes)
3) New improvements in hybrid AF performance
None of the three points is a real surprise for us. I am working on the NEX-FF rumor any day know. It’s difficult to share some SR5 news because Sony is righ know evaluating the product specs and release strategy. So please be patient. I am on this rumor every day!
I also got the image of the interview with a Sony manager. But it’s in Japanese and I will need the help of our Japanese SAR readers to know if there is some interesting info. Click on the image to see the large version:
Thanks for your help!
ingo
5 months ago |“2) Further miniaturization of lenses (pancakes)
3) New improvements in hybrid AF performance”
W00t! I hope this new improvements are done by a firmware update. And i’m looking forward to a complete list of pancake primes! 16, 24, 35 and 50 would be nice! A 16 with normal size would also be a seller if the image quality gets a boost!
Stefan
5 months ago |Instead of creating more pancake lenses, they should release a good tele zoom lens, like the Panasonic 100-300
The snaffler
5 months ago |3) New improvements in hybrid AF performance
It says and also .. support for A-mount lenses.
Beachrider
5 months ago |If smaller lenses aren’t important, why wouldn’t you simply do Alpha lenses with LA-EA1 or LA-EA2. The former preserves all the light and enables enhanced on-sensor AF. The latter bridges function from Minolta & Sony screw-drive lenses.
Vlad
5 months ago |Between pancakes and what you are suggesting there is a size that fits the NEX very well.
Stefan
5 months ago |The reason is, you don’t have any stabilization on the tele zoom lens.
GreenLens
5 months ago |I guess these are not pancakes but compact E-mount full-frame lenses.
Jake
5 months ago |I don’t have time to read the whole thing right now, but the headline of the interview with the manager says:
“I would like to release a full-frame NEX if the time comes when we are able to do so with confidence.”
Maxwell
5 months ago |FF NEX hurray hurray!
As long Sony also release these primes with the new FF NEX:
24mm, 35mm and a 85mm, all F2.8 or faster and not to big or heavy.
Beachrider
5 months ago |If speed is the criteris, LA-EA1 with the plastic-fantastic Alpha lenses does hold-the-fort…
Robert Bell
5 months ago |pancake primes please!
Claire Dupuis
5 months ago |I love (and now use exclusively) the NEX series but even the AF is lame compared to m4/3. Sony HAS to work on decent, useful, fast AF. AT this point I’ve given up AF entirely and rely on MF with Peaking, which is fantastic. I’d also buy an FF NEX, unless it’s outrageously expensive. We need 1) much improved AF, 2) user settings (come on Sony, that can’t be that hard to implement), a good 2.8 standard zoom at around 500$. Oh yeah, while we’re at it, can we have 1:1 in camera ratio ???
If they can’t figure out good AF on the NEX, I’d be happy with a corner EVF, RF styled small SLT body, why not… Anyway as of today Sony is THE camera company that is pushing the boundaries in every direction, and kudos for that (NEVER thought I’d write that, when they bought Minolta and started the Alpha line a couple of years ago I gave them zero credibility, I was totally WRONG).
John Maverick
5 months ago |Have you tried the new NEX 6, with it’s phase detect AF sensor? It’s supposed to be pretty snappy with the 16-50 zoom, although a lot of lenses aren’t supported yet.
I personally think manual focus is pretty good. Hyperfocal and zone focus as well. And it opens up the possibility of using the best glass available.
Vivek
5 months ago |A NEX-C3 upgrade with built in EVF. Yes, they can do it.
Please stop making lenses for NEX. Not worth the cash you want for them.
Vladimir
5 months ago |1) Full Frame NEX
Thank God. Only design FUJI X-E1.
JustSoldMySLT
5 months ago |i really wonder if everyone is serious with what they are saying.
given the the nex 7 is US$1250.
a full frame nex 9 body would be like at least $2500~$3000 (REMEMBER NO LENS INCLUDED).
would you people seriously still buy the full frame nex at that price?
or are you guys just kidding around and talking big?
Vivek
5 months ago |1. NEX-7 price is dropping every other day.
2. Sure, if it is priced on par or less than the A99, they will sell. I will buy one for sure.
Remember that even the P&S Rx1 is selling at its current price.
bas076
5 months ago |For 2.5K may be not, but for 2-2.2K$ yes. Why not? It can be better solution then D600 or 6D almost in everything.
Dirk
5 months ago |I just talk for myself. And I’m above average in salary p.o.v.
For sure some guys will just talk big, but when thinking about my friends and some premium customers I regularly meet during some events around my reseller, I can confirm that many people are committed to high quality (and expensive) equipment. So i guess that there will be a good market chance for a FF NEX.
I own A900, A99, Nex7 and RX100 and also a line-up of high end lenses (Zeiss and G).
Yes, for sure I’ll buy a FF NEX. As I assume that it will only be a question of time for its release, I’ll not buy the RX1 (although I’m highly interested in).
I’d consider a similar price range for a FF NEX than you do. And it would be a reasonable price range compared to class equivalent equipment.
As one of my Sales colleagues one day said: “If you’d like to drive a Mercedes S-Class, you won’t get it for an A-Class price…”
I guess this is the point.
Steve
5 months ago |I’m happy to spend $3,000+ for a camera body every few years and $2,000+ per lens IF the optics are very good.
But right now I don’t think the NEX lens are a good investment till Sony figures out how FF works on the NEX system
SoulNibbler
5 months ago |Honestly I would buy a full frame emount camera for 3k, but I’d really like it to have SSS at that price. I was eagerly waiting for reviews of the VG900 and its simply not a stills camera. I’d go buy an A99 today but I happily sold my A900 gear and switched to nex+MF because I hate the feel of AF lenses and I feel even more helpless when AF is just a little off. If a FF (e-mount) alternative doesn’t come out next year I’ll probably end up with an A99 and all the samyang lenses because they look fun. I’d really rather not though as I like my M-mount lenses (I don’t have much wider than 35mm so the corner smearing isn’t that big a deal to me) and I like being able to browse my used dealer and buy any lens and know that I CAN adapt it to my camera.
I understand that sony doesn’t make money off of lenses when I do that, but I’m honestly tired of waiting for the reintroduction of a FF 35mm f2, a 28f2, a 200mm f2.8, a 135mm f2.8, a 50mm f2, or any TS lens. Sony dropped the ball with lenses in both lines (e and alpha), there are great lenses to be had but only if you want exactly what they are offering. I hope they are making money on the bodies though as really I’m completely happy to upgrade every year or two as the sensors improve.
Steve
5 months ago |As someone who purchased the NEX-7 right after it came to market, no I would not buy one right now as its to old.
If you must buy a NEX get the NEX-6 and eBay it later and get the 7 replacement.
Wayne Summers
5 months ago |I don’t know about them but I know for just the body I would not expect anything less than a bout 3,000. Some people still think the RX1 should be a couple hundred so…..
Vlad
5 months ago |I seriously doubt the price tag you put. It’ll certainly be cheaper than the A99.
Bengt Nyman
5 months ago |I am trying not to be a pessimist but my suspicions are growing. I would love to have a mirrorless, FF NEX 9. I wouldn’t mind a 36 MP image sensor without AA.
So why isn’t it happening?
I think we are being teased and tortured.
Sony’s image sensors contracts with Nikon and others might prohibit this from happening ,, ever ..
flangad
5 months ago |is it possible to expect collapible prime lense? Is it technicaly possible without compromising Image quality?
This could help to get very compact tele prime (maybe not panacke but near-pancake).
Sean Lancaster
5 months ago |I sure hope that Sony isn’t working on making the smallest lenses possible for a FF NEX camera at the expense of quality. Even larger lenses like the Zeiss 24/1.8 still create a relatively small overall package with my NEX 5N. I’d much rather err on the side of quality than size because it’s still going to be MUCH smaller than other FF cameras and lens combos.
ben
5 months ago |Do you have the rest of the article? It is cut off right when things start to get interesting.
It is an interview with a Mr. Nagata who apparently is in charge of the A-mount and E-mount divisions.
The start of the interview is boring questions about the RX1 development, but near the end there are questions about a full-size NEX:
Q: Sony has put a full-frame sensor in the E-mount Handycam (VG-900). Does that mean that it’s possible to make a full-frame camera using current NEX E-mount bodies?
A: Well that question came out of the blue (laughs)
Q: But Sony has been giving us a lot of signs that it would be. Will we see a full-frame NEX camera in the near future?
A: As general manager Ishizuka has said, we want to put out the product only when we are satisfied with the size, etc.
Q: But by “satisfied with size” you mean that it will fit inside current NEX bodies, right?
A: That’s proving to be difficult from a physics standpoint.
The interview is cut off there. Mr Nagata seems to be evading giving specifics, but I’d like to see what the rest of the article says.
Sahaja
5 months ago |The whole article is here:
https://www.impressjapan.jp/pr/monitor/1113_dcm/271301_free.pdf
p.16 of the PDF file
John Maverick
5 months ago |Very interesting. One might expect that because SONY released the tiny RX1, this was a mostly solved problem. But I see several reasons why there might be size problems in adapting fullframe sensor to a NEX like product.
The RX1 succeeds because it uses a leaf shutter. In comparison a NEX needs a full focal plane shutter. The front of the VG900 is actually quite large because it has to house this extra component.
Alternatively perhaps SONY want to include IBIS into the body as well. I don’t really believe IBIS is necessary, but such a feature would surely be an incredible reason to use a SONY over the Leica ‘M’ for M lenses.
A third possibility is that the e-mount although having a largish throat diameter, is stepped back more toward the sensor than other short-flange mounts. And this could cause light ray interference with a full image-circle.
Anyway thanks for the translation.
JustSoldMySLT
5 months ago |I understand that there are honest people here who would actual buy what they say.
But think about it, a FF NEX with the price of RX1 or more with tons of issues to fix.
Which would only end up with people saying it will be crap and not buying it in the end?
Isn’t that indirectly just keeping your hopes up and throwing stones at it in the end?
List of issues NEX has to iron out that i could think of:
1. No E-mount FF lens, maybe they will come with a default 50mm kit lens with it… and then what? wait few years for lens? Aint there more than enough people bit*hing about it already?
2. Adapter issues, yes yes you guys would probably shout there were adapters for all kinds of lens aint there? But people who really spent the money on them would know how terrible slow AF it is and end up MANUAL FOCUSING, which defeats the whole purpose? Also there is no stablization and aperture.
3. Body will become bigger to fit the FF sensor, so long small size would you guys still be impressed with it and its weight? I would also guess to reduce weight and size, out goes weather sealing…
4. Weak built-in flash, even external F20 and no built-in wireless… or if u find one huge F43 to fit on your nex it would be… imbalance… same as the lens.
5. Menu System… enough said, unless they use RX series menus might help or some custom buttons and please please please have better triple dials…
6. AF… bangs the wall with my head… too many oof shots… compared to my SLT.
7. Video button & Over heating in video issues…
8. Without battery grip would the camera last 300 shots with all that power being drained…
9. Only usable ISO up to 1600 would makes me cry for such an expensive camera…
10. irritating playback for both photos and videos.
11. Gotta improve auto bracketing!!!!
Got tired typing… there are so many more…
Side note, anyone notice that most E-mount lens have serious distortion and ca issues? Even tho there will be in camera lens correction it only works for e-mount lens, lens via adapters does not work.
You guys sure you want to continue wanting pancakes that comes with zoom?
Or rather even more e-mount lens and even future FF e-mount lens?
I can only shiver in cold sweat when i think of it…
Enough of the downside, i do hope Sony do come out with something amazing to proof me wrong.
Almazar80
5 months ago |Thank you for your litany of gripes. With these shortcomings, it’s amazing that so many people are able to create great work with the flawed NEX system.
Joel Richards
5 months ago |You’re not looking at the whole picture here:
1. Lens: yes, a problem. Sortof. I think most people here desperate for an e-mount camera will be fine with MF lenses like those from Leica, CV, and Zeiss. Or look at the Fuji X-series. They announced three great primes and reviewers were much kinder on their limited lens selection then they ever were with Sony. There is a good chance the ‘G’ zoom for the NEX has been delayed because Sony wants the option to release it as a full-frame option to allay the “lack of lenses” fear. A telephoto zoom will never be anything but large so just use a LA-Ex type adapter.
2. Adapters: again, you’re missing the big picture. Some people (like me) buy adapters FOR the manual focus. Yes, Sony is missing a full-frame SLT adapter for the VG900/FF NEX but the LA-E2 is pretty great. Plus is the PDAF on sensor improves an updated LA-E3 might prove very competent. Yes, it would be great if there were better Nikon and Canon adapters but that’s Nikon and Canon’s fault not Sony’s.
3. Size: bigger, yes. However no need to be bigger than the XE-1/Leica M and people still love and buy those. I think the Sony would retain the NEX 5/7 grip and that will be a big draw.
… well, the same for the rest. I’ve got to get to work. Good points but you’re overlooking some key points i think. Please research and re-evaluate.
Dulaney Ward
5 months ago |They already have come out with many amazing cameras that prove you wrong–and wrong-headed.
John Maverick
5 months ago |The best fullframe lenses at these price levels are already out there. They are made by Leica, Zeiss, Voigtlander and others. What doesn’t exist is a modern-design short-flange digital camera to use with them.
That this market exists, is a big asset to SONY, since it is a way to support sales as the new system is rolled out. Consider that historically SONY didn’t just produce a new camera system of it’s own design, but instead purchased rights to the Minolta system/mount/lenses to gain access to end users.
It’s arguable that this market already drove a lot of the early adoption of existing NEX cameras when it was supported with only two lenses (18-55 and the pancake prime). SONY can repeat this play for a fullframe NEX.
We already know that third party manufactuers will support the system with their own AF options – Zeiss, Sigma and Tamron.
A decade from now fullframe mirrorless will likely dominate high-end cameras due to its inherent advantages. What remains to be determined is which mounts and systems will be the winners.
JustSoldMySLT
5 months ago |Like i am saying since lens are done by others, what if those vendors came out with their own mirrorless full frame?
Where would sony stand then?
Yes, there were alot of early adoption, but have you notice the amount of people leaving and selling the whole NEX “system”?
Do you think these people would fall for the same trick twice?
Third party manufacturers for a-mount plenty yes, e-mount fewer than few…
So its only safe to buy sony NEX system a decade from now eh?
When they finally get their act together.
Vlad
5 months ago |I haven’t noticed any “amount of people leaving and selling the whole NEX “system”". Care to point to them?
I do see however Sony leading the market share in half the world and being second in the other.
John Maverick
5 months ago |> Like i am saying since lens are done by others, what if those vendors came out with their own mirrorless full frame?
You mean like Canon with it’s EOS-M? They’re about 3 years behind. Or Nikon who don’t even have an APS-C sensor. And at the moment the other makers are beholden to SONY because SONY make their sensors.
> Yes, there were alot of early adoption, but have you notice the amount of people leaving and selling the whole NEX “system”?
Stop trying to inject your own presuppositions in the form of questions. Noone is leaving the NEX system.
JustSoldMySLT
5 months ago |Vlad:
“I do see however Sony leading the market share in half the world and being second in the other.”
Like i said, can i know which part of the world are you talking about?
DSLR? Canikon is the leader.
Mirrorless? Oly is top, and 2nd position is split between sony and panasonic.
So where’s your half the world?
John Maverick:
>You mean like Canon with it’s EOS-M? They’re about 3 years behind. Or Nikon who don’t even have an APS-C sensor. And at the moment the other makers are beholden to SONY because SONY make their sensors.
As far as i know, sony only does sensors for nikon. Never did i hear every other makers are bound to sony.
Regardless, next year or 2 could well be a year of mirrorless.
Who knows sony might just go under due to their financial issues?
> Stop trying to inject your own presuppositions in the form of questions. Noone is leaving the NEX system.
I look at B&S section in my country daily, 70% of the items are NEX items being sold.
That including the new 5/6/7 series, lens, flash, remote, batteries.
Some are even going at 50% off.
But yes, you might be correct that that might not be happening in your country for all i know.
Vlad
5 months ago |“Like i said, can i know which part of the world are you talking about?”
What you said is that an important amount of people is leaving the NEX. Nothing else. And you still haven’t provided any info supporting that.
Given that you were talking about NEX, I am too, what do DSLRs have to see here?
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sony-is-leading-the-mirrorless-worldwide-market/
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-07/canon-clinging-to-mirrors-means-opportunity-for-sony-cameras.html
Vlad
5 months ago |So, you are questioning other people’s resolve to buy a camera by creating specs out of thin air?
1. They will just make e-mount FF lenses. Yes, it will take time, same like it took time for the current APS-C ones, same like it takes time for Fuji right now, same like it took time m43 for theirs.
2. Those who use adapters use them for one of two reasons: they have great old glass that stays unused or they want cheap old glass. None of them cares much about point 1. anyway.
3. Body will become bigger? How big is a D600 compared to an A77? How big is the RX1? It might be a bit bigger to accommodate a bigger battery and some more sophisticated controls and that’s it.
4. “Weak built-in flash, even external F20 and no built-in wireless…”
You assume Sony will make exactly the same as the current NEX.
5. “Menu System…”
You assume Sony will make exactly the same as the current NEX.
6. “AF…”
You assume Sony will make exactly the same as the current NEX.
7. The video button has already been fixed in the NEX6. Overheating is arguably an issue.
8. I doubt there will be any problem with battery life. The NEX-7 is already rated at well above 300.
9. “Only usable ISO up to 1600 would makes me cry for such an expensive camera…”
???
10. Yes, the playback is irritating.
11. NEX-7′s bracketing has been improved.
You assume that they will just make a NEX-7, shove an FF sensor inside, price it at 3000 and call it a day.
JustSoldMySLT
5 months ago |Vlad
>So, you are questioning other people’s resolve to buy a camera by creating specs out of thin air?
In a way like all the rest of the other people. Look at what people are expecting in the other thread on RX1 and the crazy zoom lens they want on it.
Are they being practical or should i even say sane?
It cost Sony money to make stuff people say, and people just say what they want and does not buy it in the end.
It actually hurts Sony more than ever.
1. e-Mount. Buying a camera means buying a system, at the way it is going. FF NEX system will only be viable in earliest 3 years time if not more.
2. Lens. Old glasses do wear and tear, spoil, grow fungus, gets out of date. Given a choice would you rather stick to your old pre-sam lens then have SSM? WHAT??? you mean everybody just needs one lens or old lens? i doubt most people would just be satisfied with one lens. how could camera makers make money??????????????
3. Body. Well proper expectation would be probably bigger than RX1 but abit. But i would rather it be bigger to fit in more buttons and dials.
4. Flash. Sony did not make any announcement, why cant i assume there would not be any? like i said, i do hope sony would fix this before they release.
5. “Menu System…” Like above, should i DREAM something out of thin air for sony which might not come true instead?
6. “AF…” Like above.
7. Video. As is please fix them.
8. Battery life. Well it would not be a NEX-7 isnt it? Its FF and should drain more battery.
9. ISO. I’m talking about IQ so far is only usable up to 1600, given that it is a FF, it should easily pass that. Please do not disappoint me sony.
10. Playback. As is.
11. Auto-bracketing. still .3 and .7 increment with 3 shots….. more please sony?
>You assume that they will just make a NEX-7, shove an FF sensor inside, price it at 3000 and call it a day.
Didn’t sony do that for a99? use a77 and slap a FF sensor inside and sell it at FF price?
Well almost didn’t they, i’m not denying there are changes but in a business view sense they should be doing it that way to gain a quick buck.
Just look at RX series, its a sony test camera that they did not even expect to float.
Lastly, i do hope what they did for RX series do get implemented into the new NEX.
Carl
5 months ago |This was a real bugger to translate as both of them liked to use pain in the arse kanji (and the fact that 疑 isn’t in my kanji dictionary for some reason didn’t help) so I’ll leave it at this for tonight. I’d image someone who is fluent in the language would have an easier time at it. Comments in square brackets are my own.
—While this year hasn’t really been Sony’s on the digital camera front, there’s been a impressive number of new products from them
Nagata: [That is, Yasuyuki Nagata, the Deputy Senior General Manager of Sony's Imaging Division] Thank you very much.
—Among them, the camera that really attracted the attention of me personally was the RX1. Lots of camera makers were shocked when then learned about the existence of that one, like “I didn’t know you could sell a camera like that at that price point”
Nagata: In all honesty, in the beginning, I didn’t think so either.
—What did you think when you heard it’d really be selling for 2,500,000 Yen?
Nagata: The way I looked at it was that we’d be selling something like Mr Leica’s [Don't you mean Leitz?] high end cameras, where they’re so good at what they do that conventional ideas of value no longer apply and it’d be alright.
—Was there any internal opposition during the planning stages?
Nagata: I’m not sure if you could call it opposition, but there were certainly people who were raised questions about it.
—Was there any part of making the camera that was especially difficult?
Nagata: No well, the lens was the hardest part. Beyond that, it really just required waiting for technology to advance far enough, then getting our engineers stuck in.
—And what were you aiming for, with that camera
I think it was a great big challenge for Sony’s camera makers. But I’m not best person to ask that, as I’m currently responsible for lens design and A and E mount cameras.
Tetsuwan Adam
5 months ago |Carl,
It’s typical for company employees to refer to other companies, specifically competitors as XXX-san. So he’s talking about Leica the company, not Leica a/the person despite the use of the honorific -san.
Carl
5 months ago |Yeah, that much I know. I was just making a joke as the name Leica is a contraction of the name of a real person (Ernst Leitz Camera).
Haugstad
5 months ago |I tried this: http://maggie.ocrgrid.org/nhocr/ and then google translate, but still almost unreadable.
Joel Richards
5 months ago |I think the real key to the FF NEX and lens mating is a way to work back in symmetrical(-ish) optical designs. If Sony can develop a more forgiving sensor they could develop more compact lenses. The 5 & 3 series are good with symmetrical design on crop mode (sucks for 7s and older NEXs like mine) so they would be backwards compatible.
Sahaja
5 months ago |If it is really difficult – or entails real compromises – to put a full frame sensor behind an E-mount I’d actually rather Sony introduce a different mount for the full frame NEX – but I guess they will keep the E-mount since they already have a FF NEX video camera.
Who wants “pancake” lenses on this camera? – If you are going for full frame, you want the very best IQ – and pancake lenses generally involve optical compromises. A full frame NEX is inevitably going to be quite expensive and so are the lenses.
BTW the same magazine seems to be predicting a full frame Fuji, full frame cameras from Pentax / Ricoh, a full frame foveon camera, and yet another full frame DSLR from Nikon.
JustSoldMySLT
5 months ago |I agree with you.
But putting up a new mount would only be slapping their own face for creating e-mount.
But the masses doesn’t, they are still insisting on their pancake lens…
which defeats the whole purpose of full frame…. or the money spent…
IQ is what matters on FF and for your money too
while people are still thinking they are getting/making great works when they should have been getting better or more out of it.
The lens will be expensive, but the masses expect super duper cheap lens you could buy at a convenience store. (just treat as a joke)
John Maverick
5 months ago |E-mount was clearly designed to support fullframe capability. And small lenses can often be higher quality than larger lenses which are a compromise design in order to provide SLR mirror clearance (so called retro-focals). Look at the Zeiss 35/2 on the front of the RX1 which has edge to edge sharpness. Or consider Leica and Zeiss RF lenses. E-mount also has the advantage of allowing existing E-mount lenses to be used in crop-mode which could be a handy option.
JustSoldMySLT
5 months ago |Support and optimized use have huge difference.
For a full frame, I would rather have the lens optimized for it rather than supported.
e-mount lenses can have higher IQ then a-mount lenses?
Please show me proof, i have yet seen any and given that e-mount AF is so slow even on RX1 compared to Olympus E-PM2.
Even the Zeiss 35/2 on RX1 quality might be stunning when you compare it to small sized aspc.
But if you compare it to actual FF dslr, there’s some slight corner softness when wide-open, a little barrel distortion and chromatic aberration can be observed too, particularly soft purple and green fringes in out-of-focus areas.
Of cause you would say in camera lens correction again, but that only works for JPG, Full frame we WANT to shoot RAW!
Its a pain to tweak every single photo you shoot.
Lastly, full frame!!!! why crop!?!? if you want crop save your dollars and buy a crop!!!
Vlad
5 months ago |“e-mount lenses can have higher IQ then a-mount lenses?
Please show me proof, i have yet seen any and given that e-mount AF is so slow even on RX1 compared to Olympus E-PM2.”
How did you equate IQ and AF here? And, yes, e-mount lenses can have higher IQ. The SEL10-18 from what I see is better than the SAL11-18. The SEL50 is better than the SAL50/1.4.
“Even the Zeiss 35/2 on RX1 quality might be stunning when you compare it to small sized aspc.
But if you compare it to actual FF dslr,”…
…it is actually as stunning, judging by all the tests done.
Stailick
5 months ago |The FF-NEX I talked about a year ago…
The release strategy will be simple. The mount is not an issue.
Like they did with VG900. A native e-mount to accommodate legacy glass. An A to E to adapt to FF amount glass. The only difference with VG900 is that now they have to include SLT in the A-to-E adapter, so called LA-EA4.
No native e-mount FF lineup? No worries. By the time they ll have a rather complete(more like premium) line of A-mount lens that will do PDAF through LA-EA4 on the FF-NEX.
Zeiss 16-35, 24, 50, 85, 135, 24-70. G 70-200,70-300,70-400.
RMB native E-mount would focus slow anyways.
Right now I bet Sony is working on minimizing the body as well as the A To E adapter, and unifying the combo’s user experience.
Wayne Summers
5 months ago |If they can make it just a tiny bit bigger than the nex-7 and fit the battery for the A-mount then that would be awesome.
JustSoldMySLT
5 months ago |Almazar80:
God bless those people with their skills and technique.
Joel Richards:
1. So not available yet. No competition here.
2. So not available yet either. No competition here.
3. Its all guess work now until it has been released. But i would guess it would definately be bigger than XE-1/Leica M given all that circuitry.
Dulaney Ward:
Look at the amazing NEX 5 which came out in 11 May 2010.
Do you feel that is has AMAZING difference with NEX 6/7 released 2 years later?
Other than the features that should already be in the camera (flash etc)
Did they fix the major flaws since NEX 5?
Hell, they came out with the amazing a55 2 years back and they did well with the a77 and a99 2 years later, so dun you feel something is missing here?
nex_fan
5 months ago |If Sony can solve all the problems of FF Nex in the near future, they wouldn’t have released RX1. I think they will have it ready when the price of the new Leica M (240) drop to around $4000. That is 2 to 3 years from now.
Alpha Only
5 months ago |Forget Full-frame Nex… They don’t have the lenses to support this move, And if they did it would take forever for Sony to actually produce lenses in a decent timeline. You guys are dreaming if you think this will be a smart, fast, and affordable move to go with Nex over Alpha Bodies just because you own a nex now.
Full Frame ALPHA Bodies or nothing…
JustSoldMySLT
5 months ago |+1
joe1946
5 months ago |That would be great since it would give me an even larger lens choice for my NEX-VG900 FF camcorder.
Twaddler Belafonte
5 months ago |Those NEXxies would be really great if only there were some goddamn native lenses for them. Has Sony even seen the great offerings that m43 has? Why is it taking them so long to provide lenses for this system? Who thought it was a good idea to launch a camera system with practically no lenses, and, 2 years later, to continue to have a mostly crap selection. WTF
davidlam
5 months ago |If Sony produce FF NEX and position it against M9, I think there is a niche market.
But Sony need to sign exclusive agreement with Zeiss to re-design the ZM lenses with AF and perhaps leaf shutter.
If Sony can keep the price of the body below USD2000 and the average price for lens around USD1000 (28/2, 35/2, 50/1.8, 60/2.8 Makro, 85/2, 135/2.8) USD2000 (21/2.8, 24/2, 50/1.2, 85/1.4, 100/2 Makro, 135/1.8, 200/2.8) etc.
John Maverick
5 months ago |This guy claims to have done a translation,
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3114493#forum-post-40112263
So far, I’ve read several translations and they all say different things!
JustSoldMySLT
5 months ago |From what i gather from that translation.
1. Price increase.
2. FF NEX might be more expensive, may even be more than current a99 prices.
3. Goodbye OVF
4. SLT will continue their huge size due to flash
5. New batteries…
Carl
5 months ago |That’s a translation of last year’s (2011) Impress interview. The translation itself is fine based on what I can remember from twelve months ago.
John Maverick
5 months ago |You would think I could have checked the date!. Thanks for the clarification.