The Full Frame mirrorless prototypes still being tested. Camera on market in mid 2014.
Short update about the Sony Full Frame Mirrorless development. I had some chat with sources and they all do confirm that the final decision about the specs hasn’t been taken. The main challenge is to understand how big the market for such a camera could be and what features are requested to make a breakthrough. I have been told there are some prototypes being tested now and they have some very new tech not seen in any of the current NEX or SLT yet. Most of the source believe Sony is going to use an updated 24 FF megapixel sensor. Updated means that it has faster Phase Detection AF (thanks to new Phase Detection Pixels) and an increased dynamic range.
Sony now scheduled the release on market for mid 2014 while announcement should be made in very early 2014. Zeiss is definitely on board and as I told you weeks ago they will make three primes for June 2014. I will let you know when Sony decided the final camera details. So stay tuned!
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Zeiss alreayd made some nice Full Frame lenses for the “Full Frame” ZM analog camera:
Distagon T* 2,8/15 ZM (Click here to see price on eBay).
Distagon T* 4/18 ZM (Click here to see price on eBay).
Biogon T* 2,8/21 ZM (Click here to see price on eBay).
C Biogon T* 4,5/21 ZM (Click here to see price on eBay).
Biogon T* 2,8/25 ZM (Click here to see price on eBay).
Biogon T* 2,8/28 ZM (Click here to see price on eBay).
Biogon T* 2/35 ZM (Click here to see price on eBay).
C Biogon T* 2,8/35 ZM (Click here to see price on eBay).
C Sonnar T* 1,5/50 ZM (Click here to see price on eBay).
Planar T* 2/50 ZM (Click here to see price on eBay).
Sonnar T* 2/85 ZM (Click here to see price on eBay).
Tele-Tessar T* 4/85 ZM (Click here to see price on eBay).
Carl
4 months ago |If the FF NEX is coming 2014, does that mean the next large sensor A-mount camera is coming 2015 at the earliest? Not very happy news if true.
LensIsAll
4 months ago |o_O uh? How did you came out with that maths?
Carl
4 months ago |Sony has paused development on full frame A mount cameras until they’ve released their full frame NEX, according to Andrea’s sources. If said FF NEX is coming mid-’14, I sure can’t see them getting something ready for market with six months.
Frank
4 months ago |Of course that assumes Sony are intending to release another full frame A-mount. The A99 price killed it, the lower specification D600 grabbed all the media too. I’m not too sure that Sony will be in a rush to release an A-mount full frame if the NEX full frame gets all the press.
Mno
4 months ago |Do you have access to Sony’s sales target for the a99? Do you also have access to accurate actual sales figures?
I’d be interested to see them….
Frank
4 months ago |I don’t need access to sales figures to judge how much press the A99 gets vs. other brands of full frame.
I don’t need sales figures to tell me that I don’t see the A99 in ANY camera store.
I don’t need sales figures to show that I don’t see the A99 at ANY sporting event or in the hands of ANY press tog or ANY local wedding tog.
Rurik
4 months ago |Thanks, very nice evaluation, Frank.
I’m very curious, how much you’ve seen A900/A850 in stores / on events? How high was alpha FF penetration among professional photographers?
Beachrider
4 months ago |Frank is inventing his facts. It is not as though Sony has engendered a positive expectation, though.
SonyCyberPunk
4 months ago |Frank is absolutely right. Sony has failed to translate the old Minolta SLR into a viable DSLR aka Alpha. Alpha is dead.
WTH
4 months ago |Guys, it doesn’t take a genius to figure out that Sony has screwed the customer base who wants a FF Camera for photography.
An indirect way of telling everyone to buy the A99, take it or leave it…
Carl
4 months ago |And leave it I did. Thankfully my 900 still takes just as good photos today as when I bought it.
Frank
4 months ago |Beachrider, they are facts based on observation. If you pulled your head out of the sand you’d observe the same.
If my observations are wrong, then please do point out the massive numbers of press togs, sports togs and wedding togs shooting Sony. Point me to the pages and pages of Sony coverage in the news and magazines.
It’s wall to wall CaNikon. Sony consistently fail with A-mount and will drop it like a hot brick in favour of E-mount as soon as the mirror is no longer required.
Beachrider
4 months ago |Anecdotes are NOT the same as facts. Look at what you wrote. If you are a PURE photg that cannot handle EVF, then you can keep your a900 or a850 for years (I kept my 9xi for 6 years). Nearly ALL that try a77 or a99 EVF for even a week are won over by it. EVF haters just refuse on principle, mostly.
CTPhotographX.com
4 months ago |Wouldn’t be so bad if the EVF actually lived up to fullest potential of cheaper price, even larger view than a900, deeper eye relief, and considerably larger optical viewfinder, without suffering the lower battery life, and of course, a complete shambles of a flash system.
It’s not about “hating” EVF. It’s about Sony abandoning some basic foundational needs of their most prominent evangelists, and not taking it all the way. The a99 EVF should by all means have an enormous viewfinder the size of medium format cameras, and an super high precision optical magnifier with extreme eye relief to view it with… like a Leica S2.
http://www.letsgodigital.org/images/artikelen/25/leica-s2-camera.jpg
That alone would send CaNikon fans running over in droves, until of course they discovered the flash system is flushed down the toilet all for the sake of a microphone.
SonyCyberPunk
4 months ago |Let’s keep it simple, shall we?
Sony sucks compared to Canon and Nikon regarding full frame.
CTPhotographX.com
4 months ago |Actually, comparatively a900 smashes the reliability rating of CaNikon best.
http://www.dyxum.com/dforum/a900-reliability-smashes-canikons-best_topic95837.html
Frank
4 months ago |Beachrider you are talking symantecs. It is clearly demonstrable through the examples that I have provided that Sony have failed to make a dent in the CaNikon full frame market.
Beachrider
4 months ago |By the same measure, Minolta completely FAILED to unseat Nikon or prevent the ascendancy of Canon for fullframe. Both sat segments demagogue the issue. Sony has made it SO clear that they are going after photo video convergence. N-word and C-word are nowhere near that enablement. Sony has disappointed many of us, at times. Yet, if you went to the N-word and C-word forums like this, there would be a VERY similar amount of bitching. Bitching is just something that one sees a LOT of in forums like this…
James
4 months ago |My feature requests, if Sony are still deciding:
- Weather sealing please!
- Clean ISO/lower MP rather than too much resolution, please (think D700 not D800).
- A more accurate EVF (more dynamic range, less contrast and saturation, i.e. more natural looking)
- Decent video with minimal rolling shutter/moire and 4:2:2 HDMI-out with decent bitrate.
- Audio-in.
- Please try to keep the size small and light- this is why I switched from DSLR to NEX.
- Tri-navi and a simple, coherent, menu system which I don’t have to access too often (dedicated buttons, please)
- Cutsom user modes.
- Good lenses.
- Keep all the features we love on NEX (e.g. focus peaking, etc.)
Thanks!
anon
4 months ago |I think D800 can match D700 in ISO department, especially if downsized to 12mp.
aaaa
4 months ago |but d600 is better than d800. Using same generation technology, lower pixel is better for low light.
Right
4 months ago |No it’s not. They D800 and D600 equal for any given output size and both better than the D700.
Denis
4 months ago |It’s not better in high ISO. It’s just as good at best.
Poki
4 months ago |Some weeks ago there was an article on the luminous landscape saying that ‘more MP DON’T increase noise”! The only reason why the D600 is better in this department is that it got a sensor that’s just a tiny little bit better here.
Spoon
4 months ago |The D600 sensor isn’t really better at high ISO to begin with. I’m not sure where people get this from (look at the graphs… really).
mict
4 months ago |all that +
4k video
global shutter
highly modular (viewfinders, flashes, clip-on displays, XLR)
Zeiss Compact Primes
Zeiss ZA with adapters (with pelice mirror or without)
Zeiss NEX compact lenses
Price same as Canon 1Dx
SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!
Can Sony be as innovative as they once were?
mict
4 months ago |also it can look as Hasselblad HxD. we wont complain about size as a pro tool.
maybe Sony should make two cameras. One leica like nex FF and Hasselblad like modular a-mount camera.
just thinking about how to make more pros to join our party.
Joe
4 months ago |Canon EOS-1D C has 4K not the 1Dx.
gallino
4 months ago |In Tokyo there is an a99 body on display at almost every camera and electronics store.
WK
4 months ago |Sony is entirely focused on the Japanese Market. This new camera will cater to that market with what that market wants in features. The rest of the world will either like Japanese or be out of luck.
Frank
4 months ago |^^This^^
WTH
4 months ago |All japanese people must have tiny hands, since they like the Nex so much…
Scott Druck
4 months ago |…and my local camera store (part of the now biggest UK camera chain now that Jessops has gone) tells me they’re selling 2 or 3 A99s each week and they’re really happy with the sales figures. Lots of upgraders, not sure how many new-to-Sony customers. These numbers might sound low, but it’s a slightly out of the way store in a smallish though affluent town, so I can’t see them selling many FF Nikon or Canon each week either. And they don’t discount much so people are paying full whack.
So feel free to add my completely worthless minute sample size wild speculation to your mass of meaningless data points
Frank
4 months ago |Amazon electronics sales ranking.
Nikon D800 = 1,342
Nikon D600 = 1,635
Sony A99 = 37,467
Clearly the Sony A99 is flying off the shelves in conmparison to its rivals.
grant torres
4 months ago |lol! that’s mean man!
Funny
4 months ago |Only online sales figure from one website doesn’t proof anything, clearly I did not buy my A99 at amazon. I bought it from a local store.
However, I would figure A99 has less sales since so many ppl bought in to canikon system already but that doesn’t mean A99 is a bad camera.
Good for canikon users as canikon is sticking at their old school technologies with no innovation for years to come.
Joe
4 months ago |what about on the video front, sony released the VG series before the FS, are they going to introduce a professional version of the VG900?
Neo NiGHTS ®
4 months ago |I think the question should be “how big is the market at WHAT price?”. Because if Sony charges a premium amount like the RX1 or the A99, then I don’t think many people will be willing to buy it.
If it’s about $2k, I think it’ll be ok.
Also Sony doesn’t need to do a huge research to know what people want. If they give a good look here or at DPReview, they’ll find PLENTY of suggestions that people have been asking for a LONG time. It doesn’t need to bring any “breakthrough” thing. If they do the basics right like tethered shooting, better flash control, better menu system and so on, people wil be more than happy.
And, oh yeah, make it PHOTOGRAPHY ORIENTED. Drop that “photo + video hybrid” thing. It won’t excel at any of them and will disappoint both publics.
LensIsAll
4 months ago |OF COURSE that they will charge premium. What did you thought?! A compact being more expensive than system camera with same sensor? That’s not gonna happen. My bet goes for NEX-FF being more expensive than A99 and RX1. But a notable percent.
I also don’t think Sony sees any point in releasing purely photo-oriented NEX, if you want that – go for Fujifilm.
dan
4 months ago |a FF NEX body will not be more expensive than an RX1. RX1 is body + Zeiss optic.
LensIsAll
4 months ago |RX1 is COMPACT. NEX-FF is mirrorless. And mirrorless cameras always are overpriced to what they are. How do you expect that to be changed?
dan
4 months ago |the only constant are changes.
Denis
4 months ago |Fujifilm are basically posers. Being oldschool doesn’t mean being photography oriented. I need tilt screen, I need touch sensor, I don’t need optic paralax issued useless cr@p that only costs me additional money. And I don’t need that X-Trans nonsense: I like to process my raws and with bayer filter I can achieve better results.
John Maverick
4 months ago |+1. And they inflate their ISOs. The cameras are built around SONY components like the sensor (with custom x-trans filter) and EVFs. Dreadful AF, and only a handful of lenses. And worst of all they are essentially jpeg only because of the crap support for RAWs!.
anon
4 months ago |Given the current Sony pricing policy, I guess the price won’t be less than USD2800(FF sensor,built-in EVF,miniaturization).
Regarding the video oriented features, I don’t think it’s necessarily a bad thing. If anything, Sony should offer the best video features over the competing models,higher bitrate for example. Still and video can coexist without sacrificing neither strength. What is good for video also good for still, global shutter for example.
John Maverick
4 months ago |> It doesn’t need to bring any “breakthrough” thing. If they do the basics right like tethered shooting, better flash control, better menu system and so on, people wil be more than happy.
They desperately need to make the sensor work with the best lenses that are already available.
James
4 months ago |+1
ArtoS
4 months ago |Any news about FF-SAL lenses, 70-200 II or 70-400 II?
Launching 20.2? Really?
Slingers
4 months ago |I hope for weather sealing also and for it to be the size of the a900 but in NEX-7 styling with tri navi buttons. Also be good to have a battery grip and a mount menu.
Christian
4 months ago |Yes, also very interested in the FF-SAL 70-200 II…
Read a test in a photo magazin recently about A99 and SAL70200. Conclusion was this lens is really outdated compared with new Canon and new Tamron lens. The new optical designs are much sharper wide open than that of the Sony…
mict
4 months ago |weather sealed high-quality zoom to save me when my zeiss primes can be harmed – is also essential!
James
4 months ago |There’s no point at all in a weather sealed body without weather sealed lenses. We need both.
DiBok
4 months ago |Weather sealing will be applied for sure.
As somebody was able to read in the FW the 70400G2 was mentioned without change in optical formula compared to its predecessor.
If that is true, and Sony would do the same with the 70200G2 it would be a slap into our faces…
LensIsAll
4 months ago |Do I know, it still would be a welcome upgrade. Yes, we could really use an improved optics, especially wide-open, at least to catch up with current Canon equivalent, but even if not – it’d still be nice lens, no doubt about that.
Archer66
4 months ago |OT:
Any info about A58 ?
shamb
4 months ago |For stills
Wireless flash capability.
Better JPEGs
Alpha mount compatible connector as an included accessory.
For video
Clean HDMI out. If we get that, it doesnt matter what the internal AVCHD bitrate is.
Ability to turn automatic volume gain off.
And (this one is important) ability to use ISOs lower than 100 in video (negates the need for ND filters).
We’d probably lose the autofocus-in-video stuff that alpha has (or at least, it would be less accurate), so thats the differentiator between the NEX FF and SLT FF.
Using focusing pixels would probably reduce something else (high ISO sensitivity?), so this has to be controlled.
mict
4 months ago |think about an adapter with FF translucent mirror. it could be awesome looking thing.
Pablo
4 months ago |If it has IBIS, I will buy it.
If it doesn’t have IBIS, my 5N with the Metabones adapter is enough :>
ArtoS
4 months ago |+1
If it has IBIS, I will buy it.
If it doesn’t have IBIS, my A99 is enough
anon
4 months ago |Don’t hold your breath for an IBIS, they drop it even for APS-C NEX.
But who knows, right? People were skeptical about FF A-mount IBIS too, but Sony was able to put it on A900/A850.
nic_os
4 months ago |One should note that a FF NEX most possibly would not be natively E mount.
And a request: In the case of an FF NEX, please reserve some space for a sensor shift stabilizer.
Vladimir
4 months ago |I’m waiting for FUJI X FF – for photographers. Sona – for girls.
shamb
4 months ago |So stick with Sony. Sounds like you need a few more girls in your life.
Slingers
4 months ago |Haha. Very good reply to the troll.
john
4 months ago |His girls have an auto inflate feature
Vladimir
4 months ago |I’m a photographer for 45 years. You cheap amateur.
LensIsAll
4 months ago |And yet still calling “Sona” ? huh?
startowa13
4 months ago |Vladimir, I’ve met photographers shooting for 45 + years, with disposable or point & shoot cameras… I think you should be very proud of yourself!
Rolleiflex
4 months ago |As if you wasted 45 years of your life being narrow-minded would help your case. A good photographer would know which camera would fit his demand. Fuji and its inability to have a good RAW converter is a no go for me. Only recently, C1 just came out with a “good” enough profile for the Tran-X. I shoot landscape and portrait, so the water color problem is not welcome. You have a different need so I guess Fuji would be fine. But don’t you say one camera is a “photographer” camera while the other one is not and then pull that non-sense 45-year veteran crap.
peterv
4 months ago |I guess Sony should make one high ISO/low noise, fast AF and one high resolution accurate CDAF NEX camera. Think D4, D800 in NEX form factor. Everybody happy.
Harry Lew
4 months ago |Given recent (extortionate) pricing trends (eg.: upcoming Sony Zeiss 50mm) and the pricing of the a99 and RX1, I’m guessing the mirrorless FF will come in around $3,850. Another $1,850 for a Zeiss lens and you’re looking at a cool $5,700 plus tax/VAT for a camera with one lens. I don’t see a lot of people lining up to pay that kind of money for something that isn’t a LEICA.
dan
4 months ago |buy and adapter and put a nikkor 50mm f/1.2 on it. problem solved.
DiBok
4 months ago |A legacy manual focus lens of the good old time which can easily be outperformed by actual lowprice lenses?
What problem should that lens solve?
Dan
4 months ago |Price.
Nikkor 50mm f/1.2 is only $700. Of course there are certain thing it wont be able to do compare to an auto focus lens. But its image quality is still amazing for what is is capable of.
dan
4 months ago |OH SHEET YEAH. THIS IS WHAT I’M TALKING ABOUT.
Sorry for the caps, but i’m just excited.
Gamagama
4 months ago |Oh Sony, please make the FF NEX earth-shaking camera when launches.. DON’T limit its capabilities while it could do faster and better (just like A99, most of us believe Sony reserves the max and the best to A9x or A1… Let it run at full speed pls…
Emir
4 months ago |This sounds really nice! Hope it turns the market for Sony
Any news about the A1XX SLT FF?
dan
4 months ago |Yes please, none of that video + photo camera bullsheet. Focus its design as a photo camera.
John Maverick
4 months ago |I just want the sharpest and best lenses ever made for 35mm photography to work with the sensor. Lenses like the Zeiss ZM25 and the Voigtlander 15mm, and 50/1.4 asph. The market for this are photographers that like image quality but can’t afford or don’t like the baggage that comes with a Leica.
mict
4 months ago |+ 35 1.4 Distagon at least 35 2 Distagon
by the way on ff nex we can use CP.2 zeiss lenses for video.
John Maverick
4 months ago |Zeiss’s 100mm macro-planar would be my pick amongst the current lineup. Insanely sharp, with pure buttery-smooth focus transitions. There are so many good fullframe lenses produced over the last twenty years, and third parties have shown they can and will make the adaptors. SONY already messed up with the VG900 so it’s vital to make the sensor work well.
mict
4 months ago |That would be also IMPRESSIVE SSM lens
Denis
4 months ago |Distagon for mirrorless? No, please, take another cup of your SLR for this.
Marek
4 months ago |They rather do not know yet how to make the most money from it. But I guess it will be f***ing expensive.
Tristan
4 months ago |@amin Do you know if the new phase detection pixels will be the same as those on NEX-6? If they are different, which generation of phase detection pixels will the NEX-7 follower use?
andrew
4 months ago |Very excited by this – if they can nail on-sensor pdaf then the potential for both mounts is incredible! A full blown dslm will really give the competition something to think about!
LensIsAll
4 months ago |dslm? WTF is that? People trying to make NEX look serious?
JEFF
4 months ago |Andrea, any hint on price?
Thanks
Bengt Nyman
4 months ago |It is no mystery what a mirrorless FF camera needs to look like. The holdup is the sensor PDAF. Sony’s problem is also a lack of adequate lenses. Canon could surprise us all unless Sony gets serious.
anon
4 months ago |Canon won’t make any move any time soon. They don’t have to. They still no 1 in camera business. Don’t fix thing that is not broken. Fuji, maybe. Or Samsung. Apple or Nokia. Not Canikon.
rUY
4 months ago |Sony, Let me tell you. if you not do it or do it too slow, somebody else will do it and take the market. and you will cry or split milk.
Zohee35
4 months ago |Very exciting, can’t wait to see if it looks like the NEX 7 or completely different.
Bill Brown
4 months ago |One more for the wish list…
Open up the API so that people can easily write apps for it.
I migh want to network sync a few dozen of these cameras with a 10-stop bracket while using a double exposure every 3.14 seconds. Please allow me to do this without hacking the firmware!
The example is bizarre, but the creative possibilities would be amazing if the API was open.
LensIsAll
4 months ago |Sony is Japanese company. Something like that won’t happen. Neither from Sony nor Nikon nor Canon.
dan
4 months ago |just because something hasn’t been done in the past and present, doesn’t mean it won’t be done in the future. the only constant are changes.
Stan
4 months ago |+1
Sony is completely open with their android cellphones and is supporting ROM builders like CyanogenMod. I don’t see why they can’t take an idea from their other department and intergrate it into a camera. Samsung already made an Android camera. Don’t see why Sony can’t with their larger open source community support.
emopunk
4 months ago |Who says we’re talking about e-mount?
Frank
4 months ago |Because a mirrorless A-mount doesn’t make as much sense as E-mount + Adapter.
Plus the rumour about three primes is for full frame E-mount.
emopunk
4 months ago |Well I think the three primes Zeiss is going to release are APS-C, since they’re the same they’ll release for X-mount.
a900andanex5
4 months ago |None of the current E-mount lenses will work fullframe, so I wouldn’t see the need for keeping E-mount for a fullframe mirrorless – particularly if there are design compromises as a result.
Add anti-shake on the sensor, supported by a way to tell the camera the focal length (and aperture) and it will be my dream camera. I’d have guessed there’d be a big market of rangefinder users who’d be happy to pay for a 3 or 4 stop improvement to all their lenses.
Personally – I don’t even care about auto-focus
Frank
4 months ago |There are Zeiss full frame E-mount lenses rumoured next year, it’s no coincidence that full frame lenses and a full frame E-mount are rumoured around the same time.
A-mount will be supported via a new AF adapter I guess. The current adapter for the VG900 doesn’t AF.
dan
4 months ago |FF e-mount lens will be able to mount on regular e-mount. regular e-mount lens will be able to mount on FF e-mount. the image will just be cropped when viewing on the FF sensor.
this will just work like how it work now for Canon and Nikon.
Cliff
4 months ago |Anyone know about a new full frame “NEX FS-200″ at NAB 2013?
We are right around the traditional Sony NAB announcement time now.
CT
Joe
4 months ago |+1 on NBA news,
Sony need a proper answer to the Canon 1DC and a FS100 replacement
J-J
4 months ago |I understand that Sony is working on its own version of a Foveon sensor. If so, maybe it will be in the next A-mount “pro” full-frame camera rather than in the full-frame NEX.
startowa13
4 months ago |I’m waiting for that mirrorless FF camera, I have a nice line up of Voigtlander m-mount lenses plus couple of m39 jems… I use them on my Nex5N but since I started shooting with A99 there is no point of return to APC sized camera… still love my nex5N but… it’s not the same anymore
OneTrackMind
4 months ago |Interesting news. To me this is a huge positive. I’m beginning to wonder if the A99 is actually starting to do better and it’s given them renewed confidence in their abilities (completely speculation on my part). I really haven’t read a bad review yet on the A99 and with it’s price starting to settle down it’ll be interesting to see if it helps increase sales. I’ve been extremely pleased with its performance to date.
And if you think about the current road map on Sony cameras it seems they are on a 2 year refresh cycle. So that would mean this camera could end up being an A99 update. A99 came out Oct 2012 – this new camera could end up being an August 2014 intro.
RE: the improved 24MP sensor – i wonder if this will also have improved sharpness at the edges of the sensor.
Still hoping for two cameras – 1) a 24MP FF Alpha mirrorless (E-mount w/adapter for A-mount). 2) 36+ MP FF Alpha mirrorless (also using E-mount with adapter) – with high speed RAW burst (something at the 1D or D4 level). at least 10 FPS with no buffer max. Just constant 10 fps until your memory card is full.
CTPhotographX.com
4 months ago |NEX is not Alpha. Just because LEAE adapter allows mounting Alpha lenses… No more so than using Conurus EF adapter makes NEX an EOS, or an Oly OM adapter makes it an Olympus.
It won’t be Alpha until it uses the Alpha menu system. NEX is a completely different camera line from everything else, including Alpha. The Alpha tag is simply a marketing decision. RX100 and RX1 are more Alpha than NEX, because of the menu system.
Zohee35
4 months ago |NEX is part of Alpha and carries the Alpha name, whether you like it or not. Calling the menu system the deciding factor is not just arbitrary, it’s plain silly.
CTPhotographX.com
4 months ago |What’s silly is that the only reason it’s called Alpha is because of the “a” logo. There is nothing about NEX that qualifies it as Alpha… whether we like it or not.
RX100 and RX1 are more similar to Alpha than NEX… because they operate the same menu.
Can’t claim NEX is Alpha because of lens adapter only… otherwise NEX could be called anything you mounted to it with an adapter. That’s beyond silly… straight into ridiculous.
Zohee35
4 months ago |It really takes a simpleton to not grasp the fact that Alpha cameras are ILC’s and Cybershots are not. And that plus the –>OEM<– adapter connecting A and E mount makes them Sony Alphas. Despite the amusing menu theories. What's next, colours the deciding factor?
CTPhotographX.com
4 months ago |Why don’t the FS E-Mount video cameras have the Alpha logo, or branding? They accept the OEM adapter too. Could it be that adapters are not the deciding factor?
Put an Alpha lens on a camera that doesn’t act anything like an Alpha camera, and call it an Alpha camera, except if it “looks like” a traditional video camera, but performs essentially the same as NEX, with stills and menu system. Do I have that right?
So… were Canon to release an OEM Alpha to EOS adapter, would that make them Alphas?
So… put an Alpha Sigma with adapter onto NEX and it’s an Alpha. But put an E-Mount Sigma on a NEX and it’s still an Alpha??? When there is nothing Alpha about it?
The adapter is not the deciding factor. The video cameras would be called Alphas if it were.
It’s just marketing friend. Just the lies of marketing. It takes a simpleton to see through the convoluted confusion of it all. It’s the old “pigs and lipstick” routine.
CTPhotographX.com
4 months ago |Here, do a search for the word “Alpha” on Sony’s own web page for the NEX-VG900
http://store.sony.com/p/Sony-NEX-VG900-Full-Frame-Camcorder/en/p/NEXVG900
You won’t find it. Talks about A-Mount compatibility, and the LAEA adapter… but not one mention of it being an Alpha on the entire page. And it’s a FF NEX with the same sensor as A99 accepting all the same adapters as NEX. Even the same new hot shoe. Still no mention of Alpha to be found.
Zohee35
4 months ago |It takes another simpleton to not grasp you’re talking about video cameras now.
Marketing? Sure, almost any still camera can take videos too but it doesn’t take an Einstein to see the primary target of the tool or the glaring difference.
Amusing you keep bringing up marketing to begin with when you feel menus should be a deciding factor. Ultimate marketing. Look, a cellphone with A57 menus. It’s an ALPHA!
Zoltan
4 months ago |I would have thought “Alpha” line means (higher end) interchangeable lens digital camera, but that’s just me.
So what do you suggest “Alpha” line means?
dan
4 months ago |NEX is not an Alpha.
Zoltan
4 months ago |I think you will find Sony disagrees:
http://store.sony.com/c/Sony-Alpha-NEX-Cameras-Accessories/en/c/S_NEX
OneTrackMind
4 months ago |@ CT
my comment about ‘Alpha’ with E-mount is more a description of body size / form factor. I would love an a77 or A99 sized camera (maybe a touch smaller) that is mirrorless with E-mount. A FF NEX that’s like the NEX 7 would feel a little too dainty to me especially when using the adapter and putting my CZ lenses on it.
I’ve been proposing on this site for a while now that the FF NEX camera might really be just a reference name…it might just be referring to the camera being a FF, mirrorless, e-mount camera. But it might not actually be named a NEX camera and might not even be NEX form factor.
NEXfive
4 months ago |I’m really afraid Sony wants to sell an expensive Full Frame NEX making the Metabones Speed Booster a much more affordable solution for capturing the Full Frame Image Circle. I do not like to spend a lot of money to end like this: http://www.photographyblog.com/articles/sony_rx1_vs_canon_5d_mk_iii_sigma_35mm_f_1.4/ – all I want for the nearer future is to continue with my Full Frame Lenses in Full Frame instead of Crop Mode, but with a light weight mirrorless camera.
LifeStoryImages.com
4 months ago |Yes, I also am in fear of this innovation! It will totally RUIN what I already have.
NEXfive
4 months ago |Sony isn’t for keeping what you already have at all. Sony’s more for making you buy something new every year or at least every second, especially by not upgrading firmware anymore. I would buy innovations anyway, but I don’t like the feeling of being pushed and I also dislike fanboys praising this sort of pressure. Talking about innovation: Sony’s got to catch up against GH2/3 when it comes to video and they should also start to sell their Movie HDR, which Magic Lantern Users are already getting for free: http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sony-reinvents-the-sensor-with-%E2%80%9Crgbw-coding%E2%80%9D-and-%E2%80%9Chdr-movie%E2%80%9D-functions/
Lonnie Utah
4 months ago |Lots of delusional people on here…
NEXfive
4 months ago |Well, the Full Frame NEX is a very emotional subject, since sold with a LA-EA4 Translucent Mirror Adapter it might replace the complete A-Mount line in the future. I wouldn’t use terms of sickness here dealing with lots of enthusiasm plus the risk of disappointment, especially because A-Mount users still like to beat Canon & Nikon, but mostly dislike doing this via NEX…
Maxwell
4 months ago |In camera EVF and primes 24mm, 35mm, 85mm and I buy easy.
DaveT
4 months ago |If Sony needs to know we want it, count my vote in.
My only feature requests are to make it the feature equal of the a99. I have zero complaints about the a99 and I’ve grown to love my XLR adapter!
Lucas
4 months ago |If this rumor about a new FF NEX to come in 2014 comes to be true, I hope Sony will play it smartly and offer, concurrently, a new “E” to “A” adapter fully integrated ( AF,PASM, etc ) and very compact. That would certainly please and attract the A-mount lenses owners and boost the new camera sales.
Also, this new NEX FF better be a bit larger in size ( mainly the grip ) than the NEX-7 so one can comfortably handle it when using “A” glass.
Wayne Summers
4 months ago |It would be great if the af lamp works with the adapter because the current E to A mount adapter does not allow this so my plant to use 2 sony nex with different lenses at partys and events wont work because it will be too dark in most cases to focus.
CTPhotographX.com
4 months ago |Remove the mirror from a99, and voila’, full frame mirrorless is won.
Really.
John Peter
4 months ago |As someone said somewhere why do you need a FF camera when you can get a Metabones converter to NEX that will enable use of FF lenses (Canon to start with) on NEX and gain a stop as well as the actual FF view. I am waiting for the A-mount to NEX Metabones (if they can or will make one) and that will greatly enhance my lens choice for my NEX-6 &5N and provide for faster F stops without breaking the bank or having to live on bread and water. Will also provide for the use of upcoming Samyang 24mm T&S as a real 24mm on APS-C NEX.
CTPhotographX.com
4 months ago |“why do you need a FF camera”
Because a spoon full of sugar makes the medicine go down, in the most delightful way.
John Maverick
4 months ago |Because the Metabones adaptor won’t work with any of the Zeiss ZM fullframe lenses that Admin listed in the submission.
skeptical
4 months ago |Because no adapter is equivalent in image sharpness to an actual FF sensor.
Poke
4 months ago |I also thought given the same technological time frame, a larger sensor would always provide better quality images. 1/2 inch sensor would no be better than a 1 inch sensor which would not be better than an APS-C which would not be better than FF.
CTPhotographX.com
4 months ago |The only thing I can count on for sure… is that the rumored hype is NEVER equal to the reality.
Rob
4 months ago |I CERTAINLY would NOT put down several thousand dollars for a gain of a couple of stops of iso, and dynamic range (the 850 is really not that bad as it is). I want a 54 megapixel sensor with improved iso and range.
Funny
4 months ago |Mirrorless version of A77 = NEX7
So expect them to make the new FF NEX similar to above with a few new features/technologies for 2014.
Peksu
4 months ago |Keep it real, people. It will not have IBIS, it’s not a part of the NEX E-mount. It will also definitely use the E-mount, so that it’ll be compatible with the existing lenses in crop-mode, the new lenses will be compatible with the aps-c line-up, and also because it is a NEX. And the price will be between three and five thousand dollars.
It’ll definitely be a great camera if/when it comes out, but it wont please everyone. Nothing does.
Maxwell
4 months ago |Admin, you could make a voting on the most wanted lenses for a FF NEX.
Just list some realistic primes and zoom lenses.
E.g. 20mm, 24mm, 35mm, 50mm, 85mm, 105mm, 135mm,
24-70mm, 24-105mm, 70-200mm etc.
Not to long list, and let us vote for 3-5 lenses.
Maybe all lenses in a Sony (cheap) version and a Zeiss expensive version.
James
4 months ago |+1 for voting. Can we have a vote on the body features we want too?
John Maverick
4 months ago |Please don’t. We’ll just end up looking like morons when everyone votes for a 24-70/2.8. Also, the people that want this camera the most, already have the lenses. They just aren’t so popular on this board.
WTH
4 months ago |Nex FF 2014 HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAAHAAAA!
F U Sony!
Carl
4 months ago |Samsung will supposedly be coming out with their one in just a few months.
Frank
4 months ago |Now that *is* interesting.
Abit77
4 months ago |Never going to buy Nex-FF! I need big grip on the hand… NEX is good for travel
Frank
4 months ago |Why do people not grasp the simple fact that NEX does not mean SMALL. You could have a SLR sized NEX.
GreenLens
4 months ago |Er, why not ALPA modular approach: a brick like body with tons of accessories? Or was it A1 idea?
MrLee
4 months ago |ZZZZ…. No way will I buy an overpriced Nex…
Alpha mount or nothing…. I have already sold one of my bodies (a77) and 2 Alpha lenses because of this misdirected effort for a full-frame Nex…
There is no way I will wait this long and pay this much for a body that belongs in ‘Best Buy’ with all of the other Nex bodies… Cant wait to hear all of the current Nex owners say “This price is too high” when this one comes out just because they like their current $700.00 Nex Camera…
A lot of users wanted the A1X to come out with a 36MP Full-frame sensor, Did Sony do it? No… A lot of current Sony users want at least one current OVF camera.. Did Sony do it? No… Now they are going a route that will have as much success as the similar VG-900. WOW.
The biggest complaint I have heard from users of full-frame alpha bodies is “We need more lenses” and now Sony is going to start all over with trying to provide full-frame Nex lenses… Its like im in a Nightmare but you people are the ones who need to wake up…
MakeUnbelieve
4 months ago |Doubt Sony would do much for the ff nex it would probably be just putting a ff sensor into a nex 7. And call it nex 9.
Price wise would be same as a99 at > $3000.
4x the price of nex 6.
No ibis.
Whole point of this camera:
Light weight
Premium design and price
People stop dreaming of all the other stuff and think it will be cheap.
Sony is out to milk you guys.
Use other brand lens instead of Sony.
Andrew
4 months ago |I lost nearly all interest in a FF Nex when they announced the Speed booster.
Now the only thing i wait for is for Sony or another developer to grab that tech and fix it (faster/more accurate AF, lens compatibility), perhaps even build into Nex body.
Seriously. 1 stop faster? IS Lens compatibility? Cheap and massive range of existing and proven lenses?
We dont need bigger sensors, we need ways to utilize smaller sensors better.
A FF Nex is just questionable because even if they get the form right. FF is always going to be relatively expensive, and it just doesnt appeal to anything but Amateur enthusiasts. Pros need Pro bodies for both UI and pro level appearance. Amateurs need cheap cameras which will be the crops. Its a very very niche product (this site is bias because its mostly for amateur enthusiasts).
Jules
4 months ago |+1
Funny
4 months ago |Nex-7 sucessor is coming…
But I am sure a lot of ppl do want a FF NEX
dan
4 months ago |The image quality through an adapter will be lower than a FF sensor shooting with a FF lens.
Image sensor technology will always get better. Given all else equal, a FF sensor will always be better than crop sensor in term of image quality, because there will always be more physical area to capture light with.
James
4 months ago |Why is everyone obsessing about putting non-native lenses on it?!
- Those who are suggesting it should be capable of resolving Leica lenses ‘for those who can’t afford Leica’ – how are you affording the Leica lenses then? The latest 35mm Summilux is over £3000. If you can afford the lens, you can afford the Leica body to attach it to.
- Those who want to attach legacy/Zeiss lenses- yeah, I have some nice ones too, but they’re alway clunky to use compared to good native glass, and not all are much better than even a moderately priced, well designed, modern lens in actual use. The E-mount 50 1.8 is a fab lens, as is the 35 and 24…
- Those who are asking for A-mount adapters- what’s the point of using a nice, small, light, NEX body and then attaching kilos worth of bulky DSLR lens to it? Just use your DSLR!
What we want are good, reasonably priced, compact, light native FF NEX lenses to match the price point and ergonomics, size, etc of the body/system!
E
4 months ago |I kind of agree with the last couple of posts.
Why an FF NEX?
What does it add to the market? (Expensive EVF camera, slow AF, No lens support)
Who is the targeted audience? (Street? Sports? Landscape? BIF? Vacation snapshots?)
What lenses will these use? (Plenty of great Canon&Nikon glass, but also FF bodies)
Why would this audience chose a NEX instead of whatever else?
I simply don’t think the achievment of mounting an FF sensor is reson anough for more than a handful buyers.
Heck, the Hazzie may sell better.
/E
Funny
4 months ago |Why an FF NEX?
Because the market want it? You dun want it doesn’t mean others dun.
What does it add to the market? (Expensive EVF camera, slow AF, No lens support)
FF camera is always expensive, this new FF will have faster focus, there are few FF emount lenses coming and understand this is the 1st FF emount in the history, it takes time to build up the lens profile.
Who is the targeted audience? (Street? Sports? Landscape? BIF? Vacation snapshots?)
2nd body for pros or enth? New adaptors to compact mirrorless cameras? Existing emount folks who want upgrade?
What lenses will these use? (Plenty of great Canon&Nikon glass, but also FF bodies)
I dun see any compact FF from canikon.
Why would this audience chose a NEX instead of whatever else?
A Compact camera with good IQ and it’s FF
dan
4 months ago |Someone back in the old day probably asked
“Why create a device to capture light?”
“Why create a wheel?”
“Why create a device which transmit sound?”
“Why create a device that can play back images at multiple frames per second?”
“Why create a device that capture instead of sticking with device that capture just black and white?
It’s called progress.
Eric
4 months ago |24Mpix
No AA filter
Use a RGB pattern different than Bayer filter, maybe like Fuji or Foveon
Allow user to set Exif info for manual lenses
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