Sony manager Nobutatsu Takahashi-san: It’s not impossible to add electronic ND on small Alpha cameras.

CineD:

At IBC 2022, we had the opportunity to talk to Sony’s Nobutatsu Takahashi-san, who is responsible for the Sony Cinema Line of cameras. In this interview, we learn about the underlying philosophy of Sony’s Cinema Line and the approach the company is taking to further empower filmmakers around the world.

A couple of key info:

  • electronic ND filter in small Alpha cameras:
    Currently, it is considered impossible to fit both an IBIS system and ND filters of any kind in such a small body, but as Nobutatsu Takahashi-san puts it “nothing is impossible”. With that in mind, there’s at least hope that we can benefit from both, IBIS, AF and e-ND in the future!
  • computational cinematography is a trend that will be impossible for anyone to ignore
  • Presently, the Sony Cinema Line looks like this: FX3, FX6, FX9, then nothing, and then VENICE (VENICE 2). We used to have the F5/F55 as an intermediate. As it is, Sony still sees the possibility for such intermediate cameras, in between workhorses like the FX9 and the very high-end VENICE cameras.

The big Sony medium format system talk: 53.5mmx40mm sensor with 150 and 200mp, lots of f/1.7 primes and very expensive!

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It’s about time to talk about facts, myths and rumors about the possible future Sony medium format system. In my video above I explain everything we know so far and below you can find some facts and rumors. It’s important to disclose ASAP that there is no hard fact yet that convinced me the medium format system is coming any time soon. But there is some increasing background noise, and some patents that gives us some breadcrumps on how such a system might look like:

Sony statements on Medium Format:

Back in 2017 Sony manager said that at least for now they rule out the possibility to launch a medium format camera. The reason is that it takes a lot of time and resources to develop a new system with cameras, lenses and accessories. At the same time Sony they have all the necessary resources (knowledge and components) to make such a medium format camera if they would like to do it.

One image: Fuji GFX100s, Mamiya 7II and Sony A7rIV

But since 2017 may new patents have been published by Sony and here is a quick roundup:

Here is one of the many Sony f/2.8 medium format lens patents. In detail we got this:

  • 387mm f/2.8 (lens length: 679mm) – in Full Frame terms this is a 240mm f/1.7 (using online calculator)
  • 323mm f/2.8 (lens length: 576mm) – in Full Frame terms this is a 200mm f/1.7
  • 258mm f/2.8 (lens length: 380mm) – in Full Frame terms this is a 160mm f/1.7
  • 161mm f/2.8 – in Full Frame terms this is a 100mm f/1.7
  • 84mm f/2.9 (lens length: 123mm) – in Full Frame terms this is a 52mm f/1.7 (it would be 2cm longer than the Zeiss 50mm f/1.4 FE)

The extraordinary feature of those lens patents is that they are all designed for curved sensors. Sony patented some curved sensors design (example here). This includes also Full Frame curved sensors (example here). Some other company like for example CEA-LETI already displayed some working prototype (more about this here). While Sony already showed an image sample shot on a curved sensor back in 2014 (see here).

VLSI Symposia tipsheet (via ISW) explained better how this sensor works:

Curved CMOS Image System: When light transmitted by a lens strikes a perpendicular target such as a CMOS image sensor, it forms a circle of light called an image circle. It’s difficult for a flat (planar) CMOS image sensor to deliver high image sensitivity at high resolution (highly scaled pixel pitch) because of the fundamental physical limit known as quantum efficiency. To break through that physical limit and to achieve higher sensitivity anywhere within the image circle at higher resolution, Sony built and will describe an imaging system that comprises a hemispherically curved, back-illuminated CMOS image sensor (BIS) and integrated lens. It doubles the sensitivity at the edge of the image circle while increasing sensitivity at its center by a factor of 1.4, with a 5x reduction of dark current (Jd) compared to a planar BIS. Moreover, a common problem known as lens field curvature aberration (Afc) is mitigated by the curved sensor itself, and so the curved BIS enables higher system sensitivity with a brighter lens with a smaller F number (Fn) than is possible with a planar BIS. In addition, by controlling the tensile stress of the BIS chip to produce a curved shape in the first place, the energy band-gap (Eg) is widened and a lower Jd is achieved. (Paper T2.1, “A Novel Curved CMOS Image Sensor Integrated with Imaging System,” K. Itonaga et al., Sony)

Recent medium format Rumors:

The only rumor I got from solid sources says that Sony is working on a new kind of camera. But we shouldn’t get too excited about that wording. It could mean a new kind FF camera too. All other rumors are from anonymous sources and therefore at high risk of being B.S. The last two I got tell us this:

Posted on SAR on December 13:

Simultaneous announcement about curved sensor medium format camera development (2 cameras, 150mp and 200mp, 9-12 prime lenses, very expensive, to follow quickly)

Posted on SAR on December 13:

the medium format system Sony will release in 2 years has not curved sensor, its a new developed 200mp 54×36 sensor in a new mount, Sony will release an adapter to use E lenses (just they can say it had a lot of compatibility lenses cause the system will be released with only 3 primes) and will be a system without mechanical shutter with flash sync faster than anything in the market by far, its a system targeted for ultimate studio work

The business case for a Sony medium format system:

The Sony A1 and the Fuji GFX proved that people is willing to pay a lot of money for exciting cameras. In all those years of constant camera market decline only the high end stuff keeps selling. Sony might have been motivated to be bold and launch a MF system.

Wrap Up:

If patents are any indication for the direction Sony wants to go with their medium format system than we can assume this:

  •  The sensor is 2.2x larger than FF with 53.5mmx 40mm size and 0,65 crop factor. This is larger than the current Fuji GFX sensor (44x30mm, 1.7 larger than FF and 0,79 crop)
  • All these sensors are curved. This allows the lenses to be much smaller because they don’t need additional glass to correct for distortion. And it allows to get the same sharpness all across the frame. The f/2.8 (FF equivalent f/1.7) lenses are barely larger than Full frame f/1.4 primes.
  • The patented lenses are all primes with f/2.8 aperture. This is equivalent to f/1.7 in Full Frame terms.

So you see, Sony seems to aim for a proper 645 sensor with curved sensor tech to beat the Fuji GFX system in terms of image quality while still maintaining a relatively compact lens system. The trade off is that such curved sensors are eventually going to be very costly to produce.

It’s all speculation for now, and patents are no proof for real stuff happening. But I hope that within the next few months we will finally learn more if Sony is serious about this. Maybe after reading this known sources can give me some more info about what’s going on with Sony’s medium format plan ;)

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I want this rumor to be true even it’s highly likely to be not: New Sony 200mp 54×36 sensor?

Image of one of the patented Sony medium format lenses

Then only thing I know for sure, is that Sony patented some medium format lenses. But all the rest is purely speculation and very wild rumors. One wild rumors I got is this one:

the medium format system Sony will release in 2 years has not curved sensor, its a new developed 200mp 54×36 sensor in a new mount, Sony will release an adapter to use E lenses (just they can say it had a lot of compatibility lenses cause the system will be released with only 3 primes) and will be a system without mechanical shutter with flash sync faster than anything in the market by far, its a system targeted for ultimate studio work

Now, this is not from one of my trusted source so there is a high chance it’s wrong. Still I post this because I would damn love it to be true!

WOW! New Sigma patent discloses the design of a new 300mm f/2.8, 250mm f/2.0 and 200mm f/1.8 FE lens!

Optical design of the 300mm f/2.8 FE

A new Sigma patent published today unveils some superb new lenses options for us Sony shooters:

  1. Sigma 300mm f/2.8 for mirrorless system cameras (which definitely means there will be an E and L-mount version).
  2. Sigma 250mm f/2.0 for mirrorless system cameras
  3. Sigma 200mm f/1.8 for mirrorless system cameras

Now usually patents are no guarantee these lenses will make it into final production. But it would make sense from a business point of view because currently Sony doesn’t offer affordable telephoto prime lenses. Not everyone can spend $12,000 for the Sony 400mm GM :)

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SAR note: This post has been updated with new patent info!

Now that’s cool: Sigma also patented a new 50mm f/1.2 FE lens design!


The Sigma 35mm f/1.2 FE is the fastest autofocus E-mount lens yet

There is a new Sigma patent that will make you jump pf the chair  :)

It describes the design of three f/1.2 fast 50mm,  40mm and 35mm primes for Full frame mirrorless camera. Now, we already got the 35mm f/1.2 so I am pretty confident that we will also get this new 50mm f/1.2.
The third design describes the 40mm f/1.2 but I am unsure if this one will be made for real.

Here is the 50mm f/1.2 lens design with specs:

Focal length: 50.99 mm
F no: 1.25
2ω : 45.97
Image height: 21.63 mm
Lens length: 154.20 mm

Here is the 40mm f/1.2 lens design with specs:


Focal length: 41.35 mm
F no: 1.26
2ω : 57.17
Image height: 21.63 mm
Lens length: 157.00 mm

Compared to the current Sigma 35mm f/1.2 FE  lens this new 50mm FE would be nearly 2cm longer. Quite a beast!

via Hi Lows Note