(SR3) Also a new 11-18mm pancake and a prime lens? Three NEX lenses at Photokina?
After the news we had yesterday about the two new NEX cameras many here commented that we need more lenses…not only more cameras 
I just got a rumors from a new source saying that three new NEX lenses will be announced in September. One is the already mentioned 16-50mm pancake zoom. Another one will be the 11-18mm f/4 pancake and than we will have a fast prime lens.
Dear trusted sources let me know if we are right on this! Thanks!
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Just a reminder. Back in February Sony unveiled the roadmap you see here on top. It contains the following lenses:
G standard zoom (2013)
higher magnification zoom lens (2012) -> I think that this is the updated 18-200mm lens announced two months ago
standard zoom (2012) -> Now we know this is the 16-50mm pancake G zoom.
wide zoom (2012) -> I guess this is the 11-18mm f/4.0 lens
middle magnification zoom lens (2013)
big aperture prime (2012) -> a 35mm prime???
middle range prime (2013)
pan cake (2013)
kevin
10 months ago |Slow day, Andrea?
Rooru S.
10 months ago |Finally some lenses rumors…The 11-18mm f/4 seems unlikely unless they’re investing strong on R&D.
Stevey
10 months ago |Hooray for lenses ! I expect the “pancake” 11-18 is a collapsible version of the Sony DT 11-18, and will be f/4-5.6. Much like the Oly 9-18 ? Gotta hope it’ll be optically above average at least, or it’s just a tease…
dyna
10 months ago |Believe me when I tell you: they’re investing heavily in R&D. The next 3 years will be rather exciting. For all manufacturers but most especially for Sony.
I’m also looking forward to what Ricoh and Pentax are capable of.
Chad
10 months ago |I come to this site at least 5 times a day, just hoping for some sort of E-Mount lens announcement!
So, this is something i was happy to see. Any talk about upcoming E Mount lenses is interesting to me.
Man, I didn’t realize that Standard Zoom G lens wasn’t coming until 2013 though! boo.
I hope Sigma or Tamron get some more E Mount lenses out. Great system, with the Auto Focus features on the FS700. Just dying for more lenses!
Matt
10 months ago |On an FS700 you should seriously be considering the LA-EA2.
passer-by
10 months ago |“I come to this site at least 5 times a day”
Good to know that I’m not the only one who’s addicted to this site!
Keith
10 months ago |Me three.
On my iphone i check
Email
Facebook status updates
News headlines
43rumors
Sonyalpharumors
Canonrumors
Canonwatch
Photorumors
At least 3 times a day!
Tristan
10 months ago |No 4
Tristan_BJ
10 months ago |5
Rover
10 months ago |these and mirrorlessrumors
The Lotus Eater
10 months ago |“Man, I didn’t realize that Standard Zoom G lens wasn’t coming until 2013 though! boo.”
It says late 2012, doesn’t it?
Jon R
10 months ago |At least it’s still coming, I was worried that the 16-50 pancake zoom was the only G lens coming. There’s hope for a constant f2.8 aperture zoom next year.
Tom
10 months ago |I’m confused, is the standard zoom g, roughly same focal range as 16-50 pancake g? would “standard g” be 2.8, while pancake be some other f/stops? Isn’t it odd to label that pancake as a G lens then?
rob
10 months ago |Looking at that lens schedule, it seems like there’s two different standard zooms planned.
Maybe the rumors are a bit mixed up and it’s actually several normal sized zooms and one pancake prime? Because i’ve read about pancake G zoom, pancake standard non-G zoom, and pancake WA zoom. But that would mean almost all of the zooms are pancakes? Also none of the zooms listed are labeled pancake.
Also, why isn’t the 16mm labeled as pancake? Will the new pancake lens be even thinner? Quite perplexing.
Geir E
10 months ago |Get a RSS reader, then you’ll get notified when they post new articles. I only visit when they post something i care about.
Carl
10 months ago |Well, a wide angle zoom has been on the roadmap for ages, and the focal length range sounds reasonable, but I’m struggling to imagine Sony offering a fixed f4 aperture. Something like f3.5-5.6 sounds more realistic.
PHYSICA
10 months ago |standard zoom (2012) -> Now we know this is the 16-50mm pancake G zoom.
But the above chart clearly identify the CZ / G lens and the other standard lens……so if the lens of “standard zoom (2012)” indicating the pancake G…… it’s a little bit not reasonable by chart….
Anyway, Hope a standard pancake zoom similar to the X-pancake zoom introduce soon.
Jon R
10 months ago |I’m still wondering though if the pancake zoom is better optically than the original kit lens or is it just merely compact.
Mike
10 months ago |Please let this be true!!!
The UWA and the (hopefully) 35mm fast prime is all I need. I’m struggling as of late not to search the market for a nice alternative to my 5n but these lenses would definitely keep me in the system. If they are any good, that is…
Philipp
10 months ago |This looks really nice for me. I’m just missing a tele-macro lens. Something between 50mm and 100mm.
poch
10 months ago |can’t wait for the 16-50 pancake zoom ^^ with this nex will be slimmmmer….
The Lotus Eater
10 months ago |I don’t want anything slimmer than my NEX-5 – or at least I would not want a smaller grip.
Taiga
10 months ago |Seems too good to be true
4/11-18 would be fantastic, and if the fast prime happened to be 2/85 or something similar, I would finally be looking to get the NEX-7. 1.8/35 would be welcome addition as well.
Matt
10 months ago |The fast prime is written as a ‘standard’ so presuming they don’t mean a 50mm (as the old ‘standard’) it will be a 35mm. As for an 85mm, that will be the ‘Middle Telephoto’ in the primes section, but I am guessing it will be an E-ified 85mm 2.8 (still a very decent lens though).
Taiga
10 months ago |Right, the mid telephoto was 2013 in the roadmap. The Alpha 2.8/85 however is a fullframe lens so this would be a complete redesign (not sure if DT lenses are any easier to adapt to the E-mount, given the different register distance?).
Not really related to the topic, but does everyone know if it’s possible to do a DT lens that has the same focal length but ~one stop larger max aperture while retaining roughly the same size (at least front element wise)? Could they make 2/85 DT lens that would be the same size as 2.8/85 full frame lens? Minolta 2/35 (FF) seems to be about the same size as Sony 1.8/35 (DT)…
JesperMP
10 months ago |There is already a 50 mm lens. Would be madness to launch another 50 mm.
So it is reasonable to assume that the new “standard” lens will be a 35 mm.
And it says “large aperture”, so I hope very much that it is F2.0 or better.
bro
10 months ago |50mm equivalent, so ~35mm-ish.
Matt
10 months ago |I have always maintained the new ‘pancake’ zoom (G designation or not) is that ‘Standard Zoom’ due to be released in 2012. My personal opinion is it will be largely a replacement to the 18-55mm (though that may continue to be available) and that the ‘G High Performance Standard Zoom’ will be a high end (and larger) constant aperture lens.
We have already seen the ‘High Magnification Zoom’ in the new(er) 18-200mm. The ‘Mid Magnification Zoom’ will be an E-Mount 18-135mm. Then there will be the ‘Fast Aperture Standard’, almost definitely a 35mm f1.8. ‘Mid Telephoto’ in the primes section will no doubt be an E-Mount 85mm f2.8. Still no idea what ‘snap’ is though.
And yes the ‘Wide Angle Zoom’ has been on the cards for ages (from memory the items in grey are from the older roadmap and the ones in green were newly added when this roadmap came out).
To me it seems like a fairly well rounded set, should keep complaints down at least somewhat. Some faster longer lenses would be quite nice too, such as a 135mm f2.8, I think an f2.8 telephoto zoom would be too big for E-mount, but maybe that is me, but then again the only f2.8 70ish-200ish lenses I’ve used have all been FF and have all been internal zoom.
So we are probably looking at the following as a lineup by sometime next year:
Fixed –
16mm 2.8
24mm 1.8 Zeiss
30mm 3.5 Macro
35mm 1.8
50mm 1.8
85mm 2.8
Zooms -
11-18mm 4 New Ultra Wide Angle
16-50mm 3.5-5.6 pancake ‘kit’ lens (will be ‘premium’ for a bit, then pretty much standard)
18-55mm 3.5-5.6 Standard kit, either dropped eventually or treated as the cheapest kit
16-50mm f2.8 G Larger, higher quality standard zoom. Around the size of the original 18-200 or there abouts
18-200mm 3.5-6.3 Original – Mostly for video models
18-200mm 3.5-6.3 Smaller ‘Tamron rebadge’
55-210mm 4-6.3 Becoming part of kits these days
Kiril
10 months ago |First of all 11-18/4 – fantastic!!!! If indeed it is small this lens will be the “killer app” for NEX.
Couple of items I hope are different from above line up
85/2.8 should be at worse 85/2 or 100/2, 85/1.8 preferred. For Alpha line Sony needed cheap lens to complement the 85/1.4 Zeiss and made one. For NEX we need the one portrait lens. So it can be expensive like Olympus 75/1.8 but it also has to be fantastic like Olympus 75/1.8. Add that 85 f1.8 lenses are not much bigger then current NEX lenses (perhaps longer by few centimeters and using 55mm filter.
16-50/2.8 I hope for 16-50/4. f2.8 will be very big lens like the Alpha one. We need a NEX lens and f4 is perfectly acceptable.
I think the above is reasonable as NEX lacks the breath of the Alpha system. Transferring the latest releases from Alpha system that has over 100 different lenses available to NEx that has 6 lenses total is not great idea.
Matt
10 months ago |I really really really hope you are right! But given that with the 50mm they went with the 1.8 and also 30mm f3.5 Macro it would seem that Sony are erring towards the ‘Easy Choice’ models for their NEX lenses. It would be amazing if the 85mm were an f2, but if it was a OSS 2.8 I wouldn’t mind so much.
I think that the G zoom doesn’t need to be that small, I mean a 17-50mm 2.8 isn’t that huge anyway and if it were f4 I can’t see it selling much in preference to the pancake which will be considerably smaller, slightly faster at the wide end and a stop slower at the long end. However they could do like Fuji have done with the X-Series zoom and make it a little longer and make it an f2.8-4? I know people like their constant aperture zooms but that would be a pretty good trade off don’t you think?
The Lotus Eater
10 months ago |85/2.8 would be fine with me. DOF is shallow enough and it keeps the size, weight and cost down. The A-mount version is a great lens.
Rover
10 months ago |I hope for an f/2 lens.
It will probably have OSS as well. The 50mm lens has it so omitting it on a 85mm lens (which will probably be slower to boot) does not look logical.
Linh
10 months ago |I concur. We NEX users really only need ONE lens for each focal length, but it better be a great one. I’m still waiting for the 35 and 85, but for now, my PEN-F 38/1.8 and Nikkor 85/1.8 will have to suffice.
Matt
10 months ago |Oh and plus we will will have another pancake prime… Forgot that from the list. Anyone want to guess the specs on that? It seems to be the only ‘new’ lens on the list, rather than a re-hash of an A-Mount lens redesigned for E-Mount.
Kiril
10 months ago |It will be probably something in the range 18-35mm may be 28/2 pancake?
Sony need some mid range glass on the NEX.
11-18/4 is not a toy lens. In fact I would expect to be somewhat steep price and excellent quality. May be 6 to 8 hundred euro.
Yet if indeed they make excellent IQ 11-18 I will get it
Matt
10 months ago |I think most of what is going to be announced is going to be ‘mid-range’ lenses. The 35mm, the 11-18mm and the pancake zoom (to some extent due to compact size) will all fit into ‘mid-range’ territory along with the 50mm. The Mid Tele prime will be as well.
Interesting theory of a 28mm f2 pancake, it certainly kind of fits the ‘snap’ premise (as in good for ‘snaps’) of a 40mm-ish lens.
Sahaja
10 months ago |11-18mm is wide angle not “mid-range”
rob
10 months ago |That seems like the right focal range for a “snap” lens. My guess is 24/2.8. A more affordable option to the CZ 24. But it could also be 28mm and with f3.5 perhaps?
Rover
10 months ago |Or a 40mm. There’s a couple of new 40mm f/2.8 pancakes available – one from Canon, one from Pentax – so this lens might be a crossbreeding of the two. Not as tiny as the Pentax, more like the Canon externally but of course APS-C.
rob
10 months ago |40mm pancakes would be a nice surprise on short register mirrorless mounts.
It’s likely to be possible, but the 40mm pancakes out now are SLR mounts. Although Samsung managed to make a 30mm NX pancake. So, who knows really?
If i was a betting person, it would still be on 24 or 28mm.
Tom
10 months ago |Thanks for summary/prediction. I think the lack of 24mm f2 is a glaring omission from Sony though, especially with Canon offering this equivalent with their new camera. Sorry $1000+ zeiss doesn’t cover it – how many of us can afford that on a prime?
ronnbot
10 months ago |I agree. The Canon 22/2 is $800 with a camera body and the Panasonic 20/1.7 is $350.
Having a high quality and expensive lens (Seuss 24/1.8) is good, but Nex really needs affordable primes with 35-50mm equivalent FL and at least f/2.
Denis
10 months ago |You missed the point of short flange distance. The 16-50/2.8 should be quite compact compared to SLRs lenses
Mida
10 months ago |what is the “Snap (pancake)”???
The Lotus Eater
10 months ago |Snapshot?
Maxwell
10 months ago |I hope these rumors are true.
Tour de Apert
10 months ago |I also doubt that the G lens will be a pancake. G class quality needs some space (look at other G lenses to compare) and thus I expect the pancake zoom to be the “standard zoom” while the G lens might be as big as the current 18-55mm or even a little bit bigger.
Matt
10 months ago |While I agree that on this roadmap they are two different lenses, I believe your assumptions are a bit ‘off’. Look at the HX9v, Sony Handicams, and a bunch of other P&S’s with the ‘G’ branding. G series doesn’t seem to mean much of anything nowadays.
Lost Cause
10 months ago |G branding on cams and suchlike mean the same as Zeiss on point and shoots/camera phones – not much and not related to the big guns.
A G lens is a high quality lens.
Tour de Apert
10 months ago |That’s how I see it. “G” is a marketing gag on the smaller devices, but something different in the interchangeable lens sector.
Matt
10 months ago |I just wonder, if Sony makes sensors to Nikon or Pentax why non of Nikon or Pentax doesn’t make lenses for Sony ? I know its a marketing things and each company works to gain more customers over the other one, but I guess they can make interesting profit from other brands
it would be nice to have some of Nikon lenses made for Sony mount !!
NEX5
10 months ago |Any detailed info on a fast standard prime? I guess it will probably be 35mm, but what about the aperture? 1.8 or could we hope to get 1.4?
Dave Lively
10 months ago |Sony has 2 ways to go on the fast standard. They can go with a larger OSS lens like the 50 1.8 but at a shorter focal length like 35mm. Or they can go with a fast pancake without OSS like the 30mm f2 for Samsung or 20mm f1.7 for m43. The fast pancakes seem pretty popular with the other systems so my guess is a 30mm f1.8 pancake.
Kevin Z
10 months ago |Wow,the 11-18mm f/4 will be my kit-lens!
Anon
10 months ago |DANG! This continues to be weak. What a frustration!
kysham
10 months ago |Please give me that 11-18 F4.0!!! I want to go hiking to do landscape photography without having to break my back carrying the heavy equipment! (I know, I’m just a lazy arse… but I can always wish).
Frank
10 months ago |@Admin
On the subject of lenses, last March there was a rumour of the Sony 70-400mm getting an update. What happened?
It was launched with the A900, so can we expect to see it with the A99 perhaps?
Max
10 months ago |I am also curious about this. The rumour at the time was SR5 and it claimed that the update would be out within the next couple of weeks. According to that same article, we were also supposed to get an updated 70-200/2.8 again within two weeks. Are any of those two major updates coming?
James
10 months ago |Are all these lenses getting the 49mm filter thread? That’d be plain awesome!!
obican
10 months ago |I love my 16/2.8 + Wide Angle Converter combo. I usually unscrew the converter to use it in 16mm mode, thus treating it as an “almost” zoom lens.
11-18 would be a great addition, if the quality is better than the above mentioned combo.
photoman
10 months ago |Well, i hope all those new lenses come with OSS, also the WA!
bas076
10 months ago |I hope that 11-18/4 will see the light.
Frank
10 months ago |Better than a 5.6 would
Dreamgirl
10 months ago |Is “roadmap” the correct term? I would expect to be able to plan a journey from a roadmap, even if it were a few years old. Sony’s NEX lens “roadmap” changes so frequently perhaps we should use a different term to capture it’s transient, aspirational nature?
bumpy
10 months ago |The 11-18/4 is very hopeful. Not too ambitious, so hopefully optics will be much better than the 16. As long as optics keep up w/ my nex7 I may finally start buying into e mount. So far I’ve been hedging by using old nikon, canon, leica, but sometimes wishing for oss and autofocus….
Now if only the long tele zoom were Not the slow 18-200. I was hoping for more like 100-300 f4. Or to really dream say 80-240 f2.8-4 which would cover portrait and sports pretty well. Really anything longer and faster than current options….
Matt
10 months ago |Thinking about this roadmap there are really only 3 lenses coming this year:
Wide angle zoom
Pancake zoom
Wide aperture standard prime
My guess is if they are the only lenses being announced in 2012 that not all of them will come at photokina, some will be announced later otherwise Sony have nothing to announce until January at the earliest (most companies like to have something up their sleeves). I would say we will see probably 2 of the 3 at Photokina and the last in late October.
Completely a guess. But being the pancake has been talked about for ages I’m guessing that’s one, so let’s hope (for the sake of the whingers) that it is the fast prime that comes with it, otherwise we won’t hear the end of ‘enough with the slow zoom lens’ comments
chris
10 months ago |No chance a 11-18/f4 is a pancake, something that wide and fast will be bigger than the 18-55, same goes for the rumored 16-50/f2.8. Look at the Panasonic 12-35/f2.8 and the 7-14/f4 for size and price reference. If they’re fast, they will be big and expensive. Fast zooms are big for a reason, it takes a lot of glass to have that FOV and pull in a lot of light. If its a pancake, it will likely be a variable aperture lens in the 3.5-5.6 range.
I bounce between my 5n and the EM5, the lack of fast zooms are keeping me from going all-in on one system so for now I’m stuck in Nex/m43 no-mans land. I also have an FS100 and will buy a VG30 if it fixes some of the issues with the VG20 (unless a firmware update fixes the 20, but that seems unlikely), otherwise I’ll reassess once Panasonic drops its new cameras at Photokina. If there’s a pro m43 video camera, I’ll seriously consider ditching Nex. Its just taking too long for Sony to fill the gaps in its lens lineup. I wish Blackmagic had a m43 mount on its cinema camera, then it would be an easy decision for me to go m43.
The bulk of the LA adapters, the slow AF and the max f3.5 on the LAEA2 makes that Alpha lenses an expensive, half-baked option. I’d happily get the 24-70/2.8, 35/1.8 and 85/1.4 if I could shoot them wide open and get usable AF. But you either have to get the LAEA1 and lose the good AF to go wide open, or get the LAEA2 and not get to use the lens to its fullest ability – which makes spending large amounts of cash on Sony G and Zeiss lenses stupid.
Tom
10 months ago |Agree, don’t understand why LA-EA2 is limited to 3.5
harv
10 months ago |I don’t get that?! Do you mean the loss of light caused by the pellicle mirror? My LA EA2 works like a charm with my 1.4/50, 2.0/100, 2.0/35 and 2.8/24. Very quick AF and the half/third stop light loss hasn’t been a problem so far. My 1.4 still still works like a 1.8 in front of that mirror, doesn’t it?
mict
10 months ago |he means video AF probably. thats an ugly limit for LAEA2
kirk fuk
10 months ago |I hope this is not true. Cause if it is, what am I going to do with my m43 system? I already investing so much money for this small sensor camera but good selection of lenses. I realized the quality has never been on par with nex, but its selection of lenses have blinded me
:p
Beaur
10 months ago |Now the cry babies are happy.Lol.
Its not the lens,its the person behind the camera. Too many Sony haters
Douglas Grillo
10 months ago |I don’t know :S, but smell like we don’t gonna see a fast Zoom on Nex for size compromises, so best bet, use the LA-EA2 and Sigma OS lenses.
The 11-18 sound too nice.
A900 Pro
10 months ago |NEED!
35mm 1.4 Zeiss
50mm 1.2 Zeiss
85mm 1.4 Zeiss Planar redesign with SSM and sealing if possible and you can keep the focus fast f1.2 (to leapfrog Nikon and take away Canons big draw optic) – As I keep saying Zeiss has this optical formula already with the Planar Anniversary Edition 85mm which is f1.2!!
Hurry up Sony, the clock is ticking and the D600 is on the way…Don’t force my decision I love my Sony kit too much to join the rest of the misinformed Canikon only donkeys!
SonyHemuda
10 months ago |Just viewed some of the Nex-5n+ Sel1855 pics. The sel1855 already works superb with nex-5n. I am waiting for nex-f5+ 16-50mm combination. Expecting it to better the previous combo.
Alien
10 months ago |Where are the decent macro lens we need for underwater photography? 60, 80 100mm?
BdV
10 months ago |Small is good, but I hope they don’t focus too much on flattening these pancakes, hence compromising some of the image quality. Oh yeah, and if it’s going to be somewhere in the 24 1.8 CZ pricerange, I think I’ll just wait for the 3rd parties. Investing like crazy in this fast market seems like heading for regrets with every new anouncement. And when I say fast I don’t mean the speed at which Sony is releasing nex-lenses.