(SR4) A rumor correction about the A77 tilt-screen
Yesterday I posted the rumor about the A77 directional side-hinged LCD. The source that shared the info sent me a “rumor correction”. He said the side-hinge design was not chosen for the final production camera (it was here for one of the prototypes only). The final A77 camera will have a “wishbone hinge with a centre pivot”
The source apologizes for the mistake, it was not meant to mislead. He also added his thoughts about the A77: “I can confirm as others have noted to you that this model has a serious potential to be a Canon/Nikon killer. It is incredibly fast, precise and simply a dream to shoot with.”
The rumor has been upgraded from SR2 to SR4 because other sources confirmed the center pivot of the A77!
P.S.:Another trusted sources told me that High-ISO is surprisingly good for a camera having a 24 Megapixel APS-C sensor.
P.P.S.: The main competitors of the A77 are the..
Nikon 7000. Check Amazon, B&H, Adorama, J&R, eBay.
The Canon 7D. Check Amazon, B&H, Adorama, J&R, eBay.
Pentax. Check Amazon, B&H, Adorama, J&R, eBay.
Reminder (SR = Sonyrumor):
SR1=probably fake rumor
SR2=rumor from unknown sources
SR3=50% chance it is correct
SR4=rumor from known sources
SR5=almost certainly correct!
kristoffer
2 years ago |It’s a bit strange that rumors regarding the coming 7th of July anouncement only are about a77. Is nex-7 “forgotten”, or “delayed”?
elliot
2 years ago |Another trusted sources told me that High-ISO is surprisingly good for a camera having a 24 Megapixel APS-C sensor.
Unfortunately that sounds like, ‘That dog runs surprisingly well for only having 3 legs.’
SonyA77
2 years ago |Yeah I thought along similar lines. It sounded like high ISO isn’t excellent, just “good”.
lollo
2 years ago |Yeah… here is immediately available for you to read: “the glass is always half empty” crowd.
Daemonius
2 years ago |If you dont eat too much marketing bullsh*t and actually look at photos, 7D doesnt have excellent high ISO either, in fact it has noise in photo even at base ISO. So if Sony wants to take down 7D, 24 mpix and good enough high ISO will do it.
Plus, not many ppl print at 24 mpix /300 dpi and not many will be, so if you downsize it to 12 mpix, it will have very clean high ISO (but that works for 7D too ofc).
I think that main problem for A77 actually might be A55 or K-5 etc. with really good high ISO (funny, cause great Sony 16 mpix sensor).
Sky_walker
2 years ago |For me it’ll be fine as long as base ISO will be noiseless, or close to this, like the CCDs. There’s huge area to improve in current DSLRs, thought…. it doesn’t look well in tests as there won’t be any big percent difference.
kalpurush :)
2 years ago |Ha! Ha!! Good one mate
AF
2 years ago |Wahahahaha !!!
Q
2 years ago |3 legged dog wins !!
Pablo
2 years ago |thanks for the lough, Elliot!!!
:>>>
SLTPro
2 years ago |Lol @ Elliot!! I was thinking the same thing! Surely out of all of these testers on of them has some sort of quantifiable impression of the high ISO performance. Like, it’s as good as the d7000 or it’s like a 5D II (dream on i know!) I’m sick of hearing general words about the ISO performance that mean nothing lol. Any chance you could push a bit Andrea!? At least with 24MP on smaller prints the noise levels will benefit from the increased resolution by a stop or so over the A55! Seeing that the D7000/A55/A580 sensor design is several years old now one would hope that even with an SLT design losing 1/3 stop Sony can at least trump the D7000 and with the added benefit of 24MP, (I’m thinking a Dxo benchmark of around 1300?) that would do me Many Thanks Andrea, keep em coming!
clivengu
2 years ago |How does “wishbone hinge” look like? A55 kind of hinge? Rotate at the bottom?
or like A550.. which you cant turn left or right
Will
2 years ago |+1 — WTF is a “wishbone hinge”?
pancanikonpus
2 years ago |wishbone hinge with a centre pivot is how look? can someone draw a picture for an example.
i am worry on Oct, no one want to buy my 600D+50mm =.=”
Daemonius
2 years ago |Sell it now, buy Sony A55 + 35mm DT. Btw. for what strange reason are you using 50mm on APS-C?
pancanikonpus
2 years ago |zzzZZZ…. i do not want common small f kit lens. 28mm is out of stock. so pick up this cheapo lens to have fun.
SonyA77
2 years ago |Because 50mm on APS-C makes a great portrait lens.
Twaddler Belafonte
2 years ago |Some people prefer 50mm to 30/35mm on APS-C.
35mm is just too wide and not wide enough for me.
Zstan
2 years ago |Lol at Elliot.
But yeah, what does it mean with the centre pivot?@@
Steve
2 years ago |Even if it’s only a few stops better at high ISO than the a850 I’ll likely buy an Alpha77 as I wait for a 850/900 replacement to come to market because its selling price of this new APS-C camera is so very cheap.
Will it be available without a lens?
Does anyone know what battery it will use?
Indy Jack
2 years ago |I was about to ask the same battery question Steve asked. I own the a700 and the a200 – both use the NP-FM500H & I currently own about six of those. I’m betting it uses the same battery as the a33/a55.
hanugro
2 years ago |Don’t they say the batt is completely new that will last 1000+ pic with A77? That must be even bigger that NP-FM500H and definitely not A33/55 batt.
Filipe
2 years ago |Yes… good for a aps-c 24mpx sensor…hmmm
But what does that means?
What I wanna know is…
- Is it better than the A850/a900??? If so I’ll wait…
- It’s not better than A850/A900… Then I’ll just order a a900
(the movie capabilities, live view, etc, doesn’t interests me)
Daemonius
2 years ago |If you mean pure image quality, hardly better.
Issues:
1) its high density APS-C = noise will be so-so (Im expecting some noise even at base ISO under 100% view)
2) cause 1) you will need very very good lens, I wont bet even on 24-70mm Zeiss to be able to feed it, sure with 24 mpix you dont need perfect sharpness at 100%, but when you can have it, why not?
3) APS-C vs full-frame, different FOV from lens, you will never get good enough wide-angle, it will have “APS-C look”. No matter how much DR will DxO mark say it has, it wont have real impact on real photos. Its like medium format 6x7cm vs full-frame. Sure analog film doesnt have too much DR, but good scan and print from 6x7cm will simply wipe floor with any full-frame. Size matters, even if manufacturers would like us to believe it doesnt.
If you can get A900 now, do it..
SLTPro
2 years ago |Hey guys,
Based on this 1000 shots on one charge spec for the a77 that’s flying about I can’t see how it could possibly use the same battery as it’s also an EVF SLT but you never know! I have 3 a55 batteries also
Irfan
2 years ago |you are wrong on all points.
mcgrattan
2 years ago |Can’t wait until Pentax gets their hands on this sensor.
Daemonius
2 years ago |Assuming Sony will let them.. right? Well, they wont.
PhotoNut
2 years ago |Same old generalized claims that have no backing behind them. Come on, the guy sends one rumor one day and then backtracks the next day?
I mean come on, you have input from “multiple” people who have tested the A77 and not one of them bothered to mention the side-hinge or contradict this source?
Not one “tester” has even stated anything that can be falsified when the A77 comes out.
Here is a simple question to so called A77 testers, does the A77 use the same battery as the A700, the SLT models or a new type?
In can’t be that hard to answer right?
What about this? Has Sony fixed the studio strobe problem with the EVF?
Or does the A77 have built-in HDR/panorama functions?
Or even simpler, are the menus on the A77 much different than that on the A55? Are there a lot more menu options or not?
These are all simple questions that somebody who has used the A77 can answer.
They won’t though because they have not used the A77, “emotional SR5″ notwithstanding!
mwl
2 years ago |I agree. Seems like anyone can make up a rumor and get it posted on this site. We need actual important details that are not hard to gather if you’ve had your hands on an a77. I call BS on these “testers”.
Inside the Machine
2 years ago |It is understandable that you are anxious for more info, but perhaps need to better understand how strict the Sony non-disclosure agreements are surrounding these forthcoming products.
Anyone that has had the chance to handle the A77, and the group is relatively small, face harsh legal action for revealing certain details/specs. Many of the details you seek fall into this category. This is not a case of ‘fake testers’ or hollow information, but instead careful selection of specs that can be shared without major consequence.
I have personally handled the A77, you can call me a liar if you like… I know about the battery, the AF system, cross type sensors, card support and usage, iso range, monitor design, EVF details… I would also lose my job if I disclosed such information openly.
The issue is not whether your questions are ‘hard to answer’ but rather whether they are smart to answer at this point in time. For those chosen to play with the new Alpha early, the answer is an easy one.
Mike L
2 years ago |Many have asked about what battery it uses. According to Andrea’s sources, it will be a new battery, completely different from the A55/NEX one (which had to be small to accommodate the smaller size of those cameras). I have seen Andrea state that on many occasions.
Mitja
2 years ago |The transparent prototype has the same battery cover as many older alphas including the a700:
http://www.photographyblog.com/images/uploads_news/sony_a700_replacement_12.jpg
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/AA700/ZBOTTOM.JPG
So they could maintain some kind of compatibility with the NP-FM500H batteries or just go with a new similarly sized design.
Edgars
2 years ago |There was a rumors about new battery and unforutnately bottom hinged LCD (similar A55) as it is on transparent mokup.
With LR 3.x A900 ISO3200 is still better than A55. It is so simple: noise reduction reduce not only noise, but also resolution. For higher resolution image (more Mpix) you could apply more aggressive NR and even so get more details in final image. Therefore more Mpix at the same noise level is always better than camera with less pixels.
Daemonius
2 years ago |Not mentioning that with FF you will get more light from same lens. And you kinda have “bigger pixels”.
albin
2 years ago |Totally agree, I am starting to think that the more pixel the better to correct the noise.
The a200 is notoriously noisy but shots are totally usable when using LR3 with High ISO.
The A77, even if it is not perfect noise wise, will give awesome result when corrected with LR3.
john
2 years ago |And how about what media card it supports.
In earlier rumors it supported CF SD and MS but the clear mock-up looks like the door is too small for CF cards.
Compact flash card support would be a definite plus.
hanugro
2 years ago |I’ll take it (24MP) if it is as good as A580 noise. Will be disappointed if it is not as good.
feedmatekill
2 years ago |a77, no matter how more or less brilliant, will find a way to many shooters with his low pricing….
Jay
2 years ago |no matter how perfect it is for us, or perhaps to others, pro still finds flaws, believe it or not?!
longrun
2 years ago |Sheeez you lot are a tough crowd! I am just really pleased to have the information flow as it is. After all it is still over a month away from announcement! The a77 certainly appears to be a real improvement on the a55 and I am a big wrap for that unit! My only issue will be the (inevitable) delay in getting my new a77 delivered – given the previews so far!!
Clyde
2 years ago |“wishbone hinge with a centre pivot”… Well there goes my hopes of waist level vertical shooting. Thanks for clarifying. Not good news at all for waiting so long. Seemed such an easy thing to do at no extra expense. Perhaps there’s a stiff patent on the left hinge design.
Bill
2 years ago |Ya, I feel the same – that center hinge thing is a pain and they could have made it a LOT more flexible for various situations. How can they not see the obvious???
TheHacker
2 years ago |While I agree that waist-level portrait shooting is not really easy with this designfrom what I tried so far on other cameras / designs I’ve found that when shooting landscape the left-hinged display is really in the way, hard to hold the lens / cam with the left hand.
ageha
2 years ago |“Another trusted sources told me that High-ISO is surprisingly good for a camera having a 24 Megapixel APS-C sensor.”
That doesn’t sound very good…
Gabriel
2 years ago |I was thinking the same thing, but what the hell, I survived the high-iso noise of my A850, I just don’t get past ISO800… I don’t need to if I have the right tools and accessories!