(SR4) Sony has three different new FF prototypes…
It’s getting again very busy on the rumor front and I am daily working with my anonymous sources. What I can anticipate today is that I know heard about three different Sony Full Frame prototype cameras. And I mean really completely different! Not three version of the same concept. I am still working on the details of these cameras but I can anticipate that one of these is the High End A1x (not the definitive name) High Megapixel camera. That is due for a 2013 release. And photographers are already testing it on the field!
In short, stay tuned on SAR. Trying to give you all I can as soon as I can. Meantime join out Facebook SAR comunity and Twitter stream. It’s the best place to get even more info and to chat with me directly 
Bill
7 months ago |Second!
obican
7 months ago |You failed at failing!
Denis
7 months ago |LOL, true
:D:D
Kaigee
7 months ago |this rumor might kill a99 sale… hahaha…
admin
7 months ago |Nope. The A1x plays in a different league in terms of price and features!
Kaigee
7 months ago |why i said that is because might be a group of ppl save the money for the better FF DSLR, after this rumor, sure i will hold the money and wait… just personal opinion…
St.
7 months ago |How much? A99 is $2800.
A1x=? $4k?
Frank
7 months ago |Nope, I expect this to be hideously over-priced compared to Nikon and Canon. It’s the Sony way…
Tom L.
7 months ago |+1
Mike
7 months ago |There is not a lot to be killed.
Look at Amazon: Sony A99 is on sales rank #630 in Camera & Photo
Frank
7 months ago |Why would you expect a Sony full frame to be high on Amazon rankings?
Mike
7 months ago |I never expected that. But the problem is not that it is a Sony and not a Nikon or Canon. The problem is that the A99 is totally overpriced.
samdman
7 months ago |Well, overpriced or up to the level? If we see the competition with lesser price have serious problem, could we justify it? I mean just check most of the adopter of the A99 to this point. I haven’t seen any complain but mostly praised (or the lesser extent some degrading comments on some website forum posts) for this US$2800 BO camera (In my country, one of the respected dealer sells for less than US$2700 official warranty plus memory card and bag). At this price and IQ well up to what it capable of, less dust problem, light leaking, or whatever the problem is the competition have on their lower pricing policies, I might safely say that A99 is just. Not that I could afford it, sadly
Just my two cents.
e
7 months ago |Nikon FF D600 lowered to $1995 at BHPhoto –
Sony Marketing Arrrogance and over pricing extraordinary
The piss poor sales rankings Amazon #630 speak loud on A99 overpricing.
A99 = inferior Buffer=FPS speed=Battery=Lens Selection= Poor value
Only SIX lenses all proprietary from Sony
NOT one current third party AF lens offering
Sony Minolta was a company of high value,
Sony marketing is killing it
Sony SLT Crop sensor price reductions are the smartest thing they’ve done.
JB
7 months ago |Amazon’s best seller list is a reflection of consumer opinion, 99% of whom don’t know s**t about DSLRs -that they never take out of AUTO. Basing your opinion on the total ignorance of people who make choices based on popularity isn’t very bright and paints you as a rookie. This same 99% don’t even know that Sony came in via K/M and don’t have any idea what a Zeiss is. Stop pretending to be an expert ’cause you clearly aren’t one.
WTH
7 months ago |What SALES?
adl
7 months ago |we need more lens
spada
7 months ago |Name a lens that you want that isn’t available in alpha mount.
Khoa Hữu
7 months ago |24mm TS lens
Rory Cornelius
6 months ago |There’s a 24mm TS lens coming for Sony in March. Currently ARAX produces a 35mm TS for Sony, and Hartblei produces a Zeiss 40mm TS for Sony with some of the highest performing optics available for any D-SLR anywhere – can’t be happy with those until March?
hexx
7 months ago |Admin, are all 3 prototypes dSLR cameras or is one of them mirrorless? thank you
Sky_walker
7 months ago |Well, I wouldn’t be surprised if the high MPx camera would be mirrorless A-mount for landscape and studio photography working with hybrid on-sensor-AF (similar to NEX, mix of CDAF and OSPDAF – damn slow, but under these conditions noone cares much about speed).
mTwo
7 months ago |A1X sounds good to me. Guess Sony is trying to reach Canon’s 1DX with that… something like a 36MP FF with 13-15 frames per second and without the anti aliasing filter…
WTH
7 months ago |HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
They won’t drop the AA filter because of video
They won’t use a 36MP sensor because of video
They can’t do 15+ FPS because the new A99 with its new BIONZ processor can’t even handle 12 FPS!
You seriously think Sony is going to release a Camera that can’t do Video properly….
Ian
7 months ago |Yay! keep the info coming on these.
MrBig
7 months ago |Bring it on!
yamaha83
6 months ago |i thought Sony was supposed to release a DSLR that is strictly for photographers. so the argument for things not working for video is irrelevant if that’s the case.
Dirk
7 months ago |Hm, three?
My guess would be A1x, A8x and NEX.
If this comes true, A1x and NEX will become my line-up.
Pb
7 months ago |Please be a FF NEX
NEXfive
7 months ago |All three FF prototypes should be NEX, of course (or at least two of them!).
MrBig
7 months ago |I’d say there’s an A99 successor in the pipe as well..
hansen77
7 months ago |when will be the relase date of the new high end camera?
admin
7 months ago |not sure yet. I expect them ins econd half of 2013.
Andrew
7 months ago |When in doubt, add an X!
www.martingamper.com
7 months ago |neX
Andy Pandy
7 months ago |In 2013 Both Nikon & Canon are expected to bring out a camera meant for the studio and landscape photographers which will have a +50Mp sensor and no AA filter. So will the A1x have the new +50MP sensor which Nikon will be using?
Dirk
7 months ago |Sure that these will be 36×24?
admin
7 months ago |Not so sure about one of them…
Andy Pandy
7 months ago |Hmmm so has Sony started fabricating MF CMOS sensors?
tifab
7 months ago |50 Mpix+ that is crazy, lens will come to a price that is gonna be unaffordable
all I want is Sony to increase the buffer size for a longer burst (for sport that is a must have)
for the rest, I have almost all I need
Sky_walker
7 months ago |It’s roughly the same as A77 when it comes to pixel density, so I don’t see any problem. You need a good glass, but let’s face it: If you buy 50 MPx camera and expect using it with something else then sharpest-of-the-sharp lenses then you’re fooling yourself.
GunnarK
7 months ago |tifab wrote:
“50 Mpix+ that is crazy, lens will come to a price that is gonna be unaffordable”
This is a very long standing myth. It was in full swing even long before 24 Mp sensors became available. This myth is still continually fuelled by people who have never seen the difference a really good lens (e.g. a Zeiss lens) will show when used with a camera provided with a 24 Mp sensor. Oh yeah, I have seen it! And this can easily be seen with lenses readily available today. Expensive of course, but certainly in no way unaffordable (at lest not for some).
I myself have “behold the light”! It was a ZA 135/1,8.
Basically unaffordable for me, but despite that I immediately started to save for it!
Finally, I am sure we all remember how these complaints that “24 Mp is all too much, and will never be usable”, grew to a storm as soon as Sony launched the A900.
Sony answered the critics by saying: “We have lenses in our line up that can make use of sensors in excess of 100 Mp, when using suitable apertures.”
If I remember correctly, he mentioned Zeiss lenses as examples.
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derrick s
7 months ago |what does that mean they are testing 3 Prototypes?? so they could release 3 different FF cams? a 50 mp sensor for about 4000€ is more than crazy they should better release a FF cam for about 2000€ to compete
E
7 months ago |More like they have packaged some new features in three bodies, to gather end user feedback.
More likely this may later be reshuffled into one or two bodies with with more targeted audiences.
/E
Frank
7 months ago |If true it continues to demonstrate Sony have indeed started to invest in their imaging products since the shake-up. That is good news for the A-mount system, a system that CaNikon users have been saying for years would fail.
hanugro
7 months ago |Good, A8x may suit me just find. A99 is too rich for me.
BigP
7 months ago |High end model FF will also be considerably expensive … definitely $ 5,000 or more. So it can not compete with the A99 nor detract from sales.
What is necessary to make better lenses and lenses to reduce the price!! It should attract new users, and unfortunately the FF lenses are expensive and they are few!
A99 I bought and it’s the best camera! ISO 3200/6400 is super!
derrick
7 months ago |shure its a great cam but its overpriced, i´ve seen people selling their a99 for 2200€ in very short time. sony should really drop the price at least
Hellven
7 months ago |overpriced? its about the same price or cheaper than the D800 and its cheaper than the 5DmkIII
if you say that all cameras are overpriced i agree
travelshots
7 months ago |Of course it is overpriced, at least here in Europe. Todays prices:
D600: 1659 Euro
http://geizhals.at/de/837408
D800: 2308 Euro
http://geizhals.at/de/734230
A99: 2789 Euro
http://geizhals.at/de/836894
So A99 is nearly 500 Euro more expensive than D800 and 1130 Euro more expensive than D600. What else than overpriced would you call it? Extremely overpriced? OK, you can say that Nikon is underpriced, but hat doesn’t really help on the market.
Milt
7 months ago |That is crazy and overpriced.
Dirk
7 months ago |Although I’m sick of this “overprized-moaning” I’m keep on being patient.
Just tell us wherefrom you have the convincement or the confirmation that the A99 is overpriced?
In my opinion, comparing technology and feature set of the A99 with C/N, it is priced in the same region than its direct competitors.
And I give a crap on the so called pro magazines who place them due to two parameters (ISO and AF points) as cometitors to the D600 and 6D (which is apparently not available yet).
This unprofessional comparison seems to be reason for this “the A99 is overprized….blablabla for 2.000 I’ll buy it…blabla”.
Sorry to be nasty.
derrick
7 months ago |overpriced for all the people who don´t need all the videostuff, which is nice to have but if you don´t need useless
just see all the foto forums where cam equipment is sold, the a99 goes for about 2000€, thats the price it should have it would sell sooo much better
John Maverick
7 months ago |The video stuff costs almost nothing to add. It’s a one-time cost that is mostly spread across all camera models. If anything people that like video are helping to subsidise the camera for stills photographers.
Frank
7 months ago |Video doesn’t increase the price of a camera, even the cheapest compact can do video.
Dulaney Ward
7 months ago |Frank, the lie is put to your statement that “video doesn’t increase the value of a camera; even the cheapest compacts can do video,” by the fact that Canon’s main selling proposition for the 5D2 was its video. And the compact about “even the cheapest compacts” is absurd on the face of it.
Steve
7 months ago |Really, send a link!
derrick
7 months ago |well i dont know the exact price what all the technical stuff costs inside the a99 would be VERY interesting (sony alphy roumors?). but i guess this clean hdmi and stuff is not cheap
Eric
7 months ago |Please let one of them be a “classic” type with optical viewfinder, and (for my personal taste atleast) get rid of the “Nikonised on/off button, and bring back the old on off on the back and place shutterbutton/controlwheel like on the A700/A850/A900 and earlier cameras!
(even Canon got it right on their 7D)
Best Regards.
Eric.
Sony tester
7 months ago |ONE: 24 Mpx FF 1800 euro
TWO: 36 Mpx FF 3300 euro
THREE: 48 Mpx FF 4800 euro
Sky_walker
7 months ago |Cause a number of megapixels is a key to everything?
lol
derrick
7 months ago |i hope you are right!! that would be great i go for 1
john
7 months ago |The OVF ship from Sony has long since sailed.
Clinging to the raft you are on won’t save you.
Swimming to the nearest available ship might.
Eric
7 months ago |Maybe not!
Was there not a quote from an intreviev some time back where a Sony rep said they where to release a “more photography oriented” camera? That to me sounds like OVF.
And since C/N still sells tons of them I think Sony could do to.
When they had the A900 I had quite alot of pros asking about it for the Zeiss lenses AND the huge window of the OVF : )
But the people asking about the A99 is strictly videofolks. Stillphotopros dont like hte EVF, even if it has some advantages for some.
Best Regards.
roger48
7 months ago |Canikon sell a ton of OVF cameras because that is all they make in the DSLR range! Why would Sony make a backward step to OVF? Your idea that still photographers do not like EVF is nonsense. Some may not like it but from comments posted on this forum and elsewhere there are loads who love the EVF.
Frank
7 months ago |I will not go back to OVF.
crazydoctor
7 months ago |I like both OVF and EVF, they are different but both are good.
I have 2 problems with the EVF
1) EVF doesn’t make the camera cheaper compared to OVF
2) i hate the 0,5sec activation time
Frank
7 months ago |OVF is dead. You should have swapped systems last year when the A77 was launched as that was the final nail in the coffin for Sony and OVF. Sony stated at that time that the reason the A77 has an EVF is because of strong sales of the A55.
If you don’t want EVF then swap to another manufacturer, there is PLENTY of choice.
I prefer the on/off switch where it is, it was a pain in the arse on A700. The A77 on/off is right where it should be, near the shutter button.
Cliff
7 months ago |I am almost certain that we will see a FF NEX FS100 style model. This would be a new FF low pixel count sensor designed for vide only.
Expect a spring announcement.
Eric
7 months ago |It is not nonsence that proshooters want OVF over EVF, that is fact, alteast in the photostore I work in.
As I said, some of our proshooters where considering the A900 as a back-up mostly because the Zeiss/OVF/price-combo.
But non of them have looked at the A99.
Thoose who might consider the EVF on the A99 are videofolks, atleast in our store.
C/N dont make EVF, because the market dont demand it, simple and true.
Best Rgeards.
Stef.
7 months ago |Eric, what you are calling “video folks”, I call photographers with the need to shoot video, something that I believe will become more and more important in the future.
I get regularly asked by coporations, whether I could also supply a “little” video to go with the images of i.e their incentive outings.Wedding shooters, same thing. Customers more and more expect you to not only supply images but also video. They do not necessarily expect this video to be the most professional shooting ever, but a little diary of their important day.
IMHO it is just a question of time for professoinals to look into camera systems that not only provide good quality images but also good video. Do not forget, customers usually are not pixel peepers that look for high ISO noise @ 1:1 pixel magnification! They expect all round solutions.
Stef.
Dulaney Ward
7 months ago |Photographers of all kinds, pro & no, are having trouble getting used to using evf, especially older ones, and especially those exposed to the diatribes of those who have a prejudice in favor of ovf. But I see that prejudice wavering already. In fact, the A99 may be the watershed moment. I am hearing lavish praise for the A99 evf from many who came in expecting not to like it. The A00 evf may not be superior to the A77 evf in specs, but in use it seems to be much better indeed.
Eric
7 months ago |No, what I call videofolks are just that…..big and small productioncompanies who only do film.
And more and more of them choose dslr, and all of them (atleast the ones we have in our store) work with manuallfocus, and buy for example the swedish chameleon rig for that.
So Sonys quickfocusmode in video is not a selling point to others than mom and dad on vacation.
Therefor Sony should (and could if they want) do a classic ovf-dslr with great video since most do manualfocus, and keep the stillphotographers happy with an OVF.
Best Regards.
Vivek
7 months ago |I think most rumors about an impending announcement center around playstation, video games and such.
I hope there is an RX-2 with a built EVF and an interchangeable lens mount soon.
john
7 months ago |Interchangeable mount would not be RX anything.
Vivek
7 months ago |I do not mind if it is called anything else, NEX, NIX, NX, T-REX not a problem. I have my sharpies.
David Thomas
7 months ago |Like others said probably be supreme resolution 54mp at competitive price and the same sensor used in a £5000+ Nikon D4x.
Hope Sony can bring out some more glass equivalent to Canon and Nikon, e.g., F4 semi pro range and fill in the pro prime glass.
Sony’s looking better and better as time goes by; think that Canon and Nikon are becoming a bit complacent.
jaime
7 months ago |whats the point of FF?
i think the only real advantage is better performance at high iso, sure, at 12800 the pictures are night and day, but what else?
who use 12800 anyway?
studio get own light, outdoor had sun, when shoting in poor light most use flash anyway, i cant believe most people see 1600+ iso test as the factor to chose a camera, when almost never will shot at that high iso.
why everyone is asking for FF?
FF advantages
high iso photos
APS advantages
cheaper bodys
cheaper lenses
in fact, today cheap APS sensors outperform yesterday luxury FF sensors
as for MP, sure it was an important number, 1 megapixel duplicate resolution from previoys sensors, same with 2,4 and 8… but now is just a number to push incremental camera models, 10-12-14-16, a FF camera should at least had the same pixel size than actual APS, otherwise theres not point, with APS now in the 24, any FF will at least had 50 megapixeles.
would you pay the price gap (a99 – a77, body + lenses) when you cant notice any real diference between videos and pictures from the 2 cameras 95% of time (if you shot a lot in 1600+ iso, feel free to decrease the 95%, for me, its 100% anyway)
Denis
7 months ago |Greater sharpness and look
roger48
7 months ago |I agree totally. I reckon that FF is in its final phase of life and soon will be the preserve of those who spend their time pixel peeping rather than taking pictures.
I believe the FF market will shrink to the present size of medium format and the main market will be either APSC or formats similar to M43.
By the way, all formats which do not crop the sensor size are Full Frame.
daenur
7 months ago |I disagree. I think APS-C will gradually die out with cheap FF like D600 becoming increasingly affordable. There will be compact cameras, mirrorless and FF.
John Maverick
7 months ago |Better DOF and subject isolation. Better and more inexpensive lenses for equivalent performance. Higher DR for landscapes, and being able to expose for the sky, while allowing shadow detail to be bumped. Lower noise. The ability to use all those fantastic lenses out their at their intended focal length.
Sky_walker
7 months ago |“Better and more inexpensive lenses for equivalent performance.” – that’s little bit misleading. Depends on a particular focal length and what you care about. If you want shallow depth of field then on FF you can try zooms to a degree, on APS-C you are quite limited to primes.
If you want longer focal lenghts then APS-C is a way to go – better IQ for much lower price. Compare price of Minolta 200 f/2.8 with Minolta (or Sony) 300mm prime. Or try to find me an equivalent of 70-200mm f/2.8 working on Sony’s APS-C camera. APS-C easily wins in both scenarios. Then compare price of quality of 85mm for APS-C vs 135mm for FF, or find me a portrait 200mm lens for Full Frame (Canon got one for FF, Sony only have rough equivalent in APS-C).
Where FF is leading surely is for example 50mm f/1.4 which don’t have any cheap equivalent for APS-C. There are few other examples, but usually APS-C wins in terms of pricing and overall IQ delivered by a lens (especially if you demand sharp corners and no vignetting)
John Maverick
7 months ago |A 35/1.4 is a common lens on full frame mounts and not that expensive. To get the equivalent FL and DOF on APS-C, you need approx 25mm/f1.0. Such a lens would cost a fortune, even assuming that someone could manufacture it.
Sky_walker
7 months ago |Which is both advantage and disadvantage (35mm is typical reporter focal length, and for that kind of job shallow depth of field is more an obstacle then something you’d chase for). Add to this a fact that Sony’s 35mm f/1.4 is rather poor lens with optical design reaching ’87 and you don’t have many reasons to enjoy an advantage over APS-C so much.
Carl
7 months ago |I don’t agree that depth of field control is an obstacle for street photography and photojournalism. It opens up creative possibilities. One can always stop down if one doesn’t need it.
Dulaney Ward
7 months ago |Of course, there are many who regard Sony’s 35f1.4 as a superior lens with great and irreplaceable character. Many of those would scream were it to be replaced.
Sky_walker
7 months ago |Yea, but people enjoying it are mostly those who never experienced alternatives.
As for “control” – you don’t really get much control. You get shallow DoF or less light onto the sensor. More then often you want both: Good depth of field and as much light on a sensor as it gets.
Also, by your logic, all pros should be shooting Medium Format and m4/3, so praised by it’s reporter-usage, should be dead already.
That’s not true, and we both know this.
Carl
7 months ago |Well, I don’t think there’d be much genuine screaming if it was replaced by a new design from the ex-Minolta team. It’d be a nice break from them being stuck on telephoto and consumer-zoom duty. They haven’t been able to design a full frame A-mount prime wider than 85mm since the takeover.
The ZA Zeiss designs have a very different feel. Sharp and fairly contrasty, but also somewhat bland and pasteurised. They appeal to two different groups of photographers, so I doubt there’ll be much of a consensus.
Sky_walker
7 months ago |FF gives you also more shallow depth of field (advantage for portraits, disadvantage for action/product photography). Also larger sensor means that you won’t be bothered by diffraction so easily, and cheaper glass will perform better (eg. A99 can work great with old Minolta lenses, while A77 struggles with many of them).
FF with full frame you also don’t crop a centre of the lens, so you loose a lot of corner sharpness and add vignetting.
Then there’s a “full frame magic” which makes it “a different beast” that if you’ll taste “you’ll never want to come back”, although noone ever managed to measure it by any mathematical ways.
derbarrett
7 months ago |+1 I have an a77 and an a850 and there is an intangible magic about the images from the a850…. They look more 3D and dreamy.
Valentin
7 months ago |You do understand that there are no disadvantages to FF right?? You can easily put FF in a crop mode, or just simply crop the picture and here you go, no vignetting, less DOF and so on. You can always go from FF to crop by simply cropping, going the other way around is a lot more difficult.
Thus, you can’t possibly imply that FF are worse for sports or something like that, it is simply not true. By taking the same picture from FF and crop you you’ll achieve a better detailization because you are closer to your target and zoom in fill of APCs are nothing more than digital zooming, which is useless.
Sky_walker
7 months ago |Cropping 24MPx full frame will give you ~10 MPx picture.
Therefore crop shouldn’t be taken into account when discussing stuff like that.
Rob
7 months ago |Shallow DOF in a FF is important to me and the “look” I try to achieve. For example:
http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/25862700
http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/28958610
http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/28965466
http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/30402130
http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/30061957
John Maverick
7 months ago |Apart from the increased DOF, I suspect there is something going on with the change of geometry that the eye can subtlety perceive. There’s definitely a quality and impact that’s missing in smaller formats. Nice shots!.
Rob
7 months ago |Thanks so much John!
Don
7 months ago |Less need for dealing with super-wide/distorting lenses of nearby subjects. aka, less need for me to worry about distorting someone’s face when I’m forced to take photos of them three steps short of breathing on them.
Poke
7 months ago |Well then your decision on what camera type is better for you is easy. It is for me too. It is the 99. Better than my other ff, 850 by a lot and my aps-c 5n. The dof alone that can be achieved on a ff is enough for me to shoot ff. 50 % of my shooting is 1600 and higher. Let’s be thankful that both of our decisions on the camera we need is easy. But there is a point to full frame.
daenur
7 months ago |Well yes, high ISO. That’s the whole point. With my A65 I can only go as far as ISO400 while I would love to have ISO3200. That’s a whole new level of freedom.
Ken
7 months ago |which FF have you owned?
GermanGuy#1
7 months ago |Hasn’t Sony stated this year that technology will not be ready for a >24MPIx SLT?
So maybe there is one (mirrorless) NEX FF and a SLT FF (with 24 MPix but less emphasis on video) and a 36+MPix DSLR (Yes!!!)
Sky_walker
7 months ago |they said that it wasn’t ready for a VIDEO in this resolution of camera. It doesn’t have anything to deal with SLT. They wanted A99 to be video-focused camera, so they made it with 24MPx sensor. Otherwise you’d likely see something with more numbers
Dulaney Ward
7 months ago |They said that they weren’t ready THIS year; that doesn’t mean that they won’t be ready NEXT year.
Sky_walker
7 months ago |That’s yet another valid point. True.
derbarrett
7 months ago |+1 I have an a77 and an a850 and there is an intangible magic about the images from the a850…. They look more 3D and dreamy.
Ken
7 months ago |+2
people that have never experienced FF before (and by that, I mean actually owned one, NOT just played with one in the store) really shouldn’t be posting negative thoughts
John Maverick
7 months ago |Dear SONY, Please if possible, remove that AA filter. It retards the ability of the sensor to handle short flange wide lenses. Lot’s of people interested in the VG900.
Sky_walker
7 months ago |I’m quite sure a lot of people don’t want moire. Also the AA filter isn’t really a source of issues with wide angle lenses. Microlenses on a sensor come in play here.
John Maverick
7 months ago |It’s certainly a tradeoff with respect to moire. The microlenses work to prevent color fringing and vinegetting. But the stack of filters sitting above the microlenses do cause heavy detail smearing in the corners of the VG900.
Sky_walker
7 months ago |Yea… well… noone told that Sony plans to kill all of it’s other cameras with (relatively) cheap VG900. I wouldn’t expect too much in terms of improving the situation any time soon. What you see is… well… an expected result of using E-bayonet. Just get over it
As a Canon user would say: Should have bought 5D mk III. Or C-whateverHundred.
Denis
7 months ago |AA filter can cause issues as well with associated angle of refraction.
butch
7 months ago |how many MP do you need for 4k video i bet thats next on the list of options for a new FF DSLT/mirror less cam
MrLee
7 months ago |They need to come out with a 36 MP full frame alpha with the same sensor or better sensor than the D800, $3,000 or less, in BOTH EVF AND OVF to give the consumer a choice, then all the arguing and complaining on forums would end and both buyers would be happy and sony would make more money..
It also MUST have a wider AF area than the video targeted a99, better high iso than a99, and better jpeg engine than all of their slt’s so far… A camera like this WILL SELL… too many photographers didnt make the move on the video targeted a99 that owned the same mp full frame a900…
MrLee
7 months ago |AND most low iso a77 shooters didnt make the move either since reveiwers that owned both the a77 and a99 said at low isos the a77 matches the image quality of the a99 and it is 24 mp as well….
MrLee
7 months ago |I wouldnt mid if the drop video out of the camera all together, esp. for the OVF buyers… That should keep the price low and make all the the “image quality” Photographer only buyers happy…
MrLee
7 months ago |* I wouldn’t mind if they drop the video out of the camera all together…
stringer
7 months ago |MrLee…
You understand that having video on a camera pretty much costs them next to nothing to incorporate? Removing this feature will NOT make the camera any cheaper nor will having an OVF. In actual fact having a pentaprism OVF ala A900 will increase manufacturing time,costs and labour and it was one of the reasons why it was slightly changed for the A850.
Just because the camera has video capability doesn’t mean that they’ve forgotten about Stills quality, the truth is that the better the stills quality the BETTER the video quality will be especially if we’re talking about ISO.
In reality the A99 still is not using the potential of the Sony sensor and it’s about time that Sony got their finger out of their arse and started hiring people would can design and implement them better. The JPEG engine fiasco for example is a complete farce and Sony should be embarrassed by it.
The firmware situation is in dire need of drastic change as well, many of us do NOT have the money to buy a new camera every bloody year as it seems is going to be the case with Sony.
John Maverick
7 months ago |Why? SONY can just pocket that money from the sensor they sell to Nikon each time Nikon sell a D800. SONY have perfectly hedged their risk. SONY will pursue disruptive OVF and mirrorless cameras and win marketshare through innovation.
MrLee
7 months ago |Simple… to make the Sony BUYERS happy… not the stock holders…
They do go hand in hand Sometimes you know…
MrLee
7 months ago |PLUS… I said same OR BETTER… just needs to be 36mp(ish)
MrLee
7 months ago |This is what I personally would LOVE to see and BUY….
- 36MP
- Full frame Alpha
- OVF
- Wider and better AF
- Better high iso and jpeg engine than all of their slt’s so far.
- Harder edged / Slightly Retro styled quality weather sealed body.
- NO VIDEO AT ALL
Thats right, I said it.. NO VIDEO AT ALL..
Make every component, spec, and sensor tweek with photo quality in mind, and not video. If you think about if for a second, all camera manufacturers are CAPABLE of making higher quality “Photo cameras”.. but always have to keep video in mind… I think they have all been distracted since the nikon d90 came out and I wish they would regain FOCUS on photos quality only on at least one body…
THEN I will just have to buy a video camera as well, and then Sony can make more MONEY….
Dulaney Ward
7 months ago |Mr. Lee, it simply won’t happen. There will be no return to SLR/OVF. Ever. Get over it.
Furthermore, I have never seen a SINGLE person who actually owns or is reviewing the A99 for any reputable organization say anything like what you say “most” of them say. In fact, in my experience, they have UNIVERSALLY praised the huge step forward in IQ by the A99 over both the A77 and the A900. While a fine camera, the A77 does not remotely compare with the A99 in IQ performance, or in most other things for that matter.
Actually very few of the substantive reviews have come in yet. When they do, I expect the A99 to do very well indeed.
David
7 months ago |MrLee you are not alone, I know so many who think your way
+1000 my words
A real camera + the new Zeiss 50mm f1.4, this would be what I am waiting for years now. I was close to give up hope and buying some canvas. Maybe Sony decided to serve gearheads and PHOTOGRAPHERS.
stringer
7 months ago |Why do you people think that having Video on a camera detracts its potential as a stills camera?? It makes no difference whatsoever. The A99 sure ain’t a video camera either as it fails in one major area, being stuck to adhering to Sonys pathetic AVCHD2 standard, the quicker it gets hacked the better. 28Mbps is pathetic and useless for proper grading and quality output.
If you OVF moaners don’t like SLT stop hanging around waiting for the OVF to come out. It sure ain’t going to happen and you would be as well buggering off to Nikon or Canon.
max
7 months ago |I like Stinger’s sophisticated language. He surely is a tolerant well educated person with differentiated views delighted by others passion.
WTH
7 months ago |NO SOUP FOR YOU!!!!!
Sean Lancaster
7 months ago |Video features allow producers to charge more. Users pay for extra features. I don’t want to pay for video features to shoot my stills, but that’s how cameras get priced. The A99 would be much cheaper if Sony didn’t have the best video features in its class. Sigh.
dynax
7 months ago |for sure we will get a new Sony 36 MPx camera with phase-detection on sensor
, an entry level 24 MPx FF with price tag of D600… and… ? 
doug
7 months ago |If Sony keeps this up they may actually release a 36MP camera before the Sun goes nova.
WTH
7 months ago |+1
Then they would have to buy their sensors back from Nikon….
javalina
7 months ago |How about a 75MP mirrorless RGB 3-layer square curved sensor with tiltable pixels?
john
7 months ago |On a movable mount that adjusts to any camera lens with built in anti gravity so no tripod needed
Si
7 months ago |Now I have the a850, a77 and a99 my life is complete. I was going to sell the a77 but I am going to keep it. The only thing I am looking forward to from Sony is the 50mm F1.4 ZA prime but I’d like them to do a new 100mm macro with Ziess glass.
Si
WTH
7 months ago |I bet the A1X is going to be the A99 with a boom mic attachment and 4k Video to assist Photographers in taking better video……………
Si
7 months ago |rlol that is so original ;-}
Si
MrLee
7 months ago |So many of you say “Sony will never do OVF again” Just because 1 or 2 Sony employees have said it at one time or another and you believe it… ?
When they are coming out with new SLT’s… do you think they would ever tell you “Next year we are coming out with a OVF Camera that gives you better image quality than the SLT we just released” ? NOOO…
If its not OVF, It will be something that is not Translucent mirror… I will bet anything on this… Half of Sony’s loyalists dont like slt, And that number is way too high for them to do nothing and keep slt only…
Sony themselves called the a99 a multimedia camera or whatever and said that next year they would come out with a more professional photo camera…
So what does that mean ? Cant mean another SLT… They just did that, over and over… With image quality fails…
Dont get me wrong, I like my a77 and use it the most, but I keep my a580 when I want image quality only..
I want a better slt aps-c camera than the a77 24mp(ish), AND I want a 36mp(ish) OVF or non SLT full frame as well… Both have their strengths and uses..
I will buy and own both if they do this, if not I will stick with what I own now because I get killer results from both and I know how to get around the weaknesses of both with lighting and PP so I dont have to buy a new camera every year just cause its the “Newest”… It will have to “Better” not just “slightly Better”…
MrLee
7 months ago |So… If you don’t work for Sony and are high up enough to make the final decisions…. I DON’T Believe You….
WTH
7 months ago |I am very certain Sony will remove the Focus Peaking feature, the digital zoom feature etc, just for you.
Si
7 months ago |MrLee I doubt very much that Sony is going to produce another OVF based camera given the investment in EVF and the fact that they are focused on the NEX range of cameras. Yes they will produce DSLR cameras but short term they investing in NEX and OVF has no place there. The OVF is not going to be re-introduced and that is as sure as Christmas Day is on the 25th December.
Si
john
7 months ago |The earth is flat.
Elvis lives.
Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.
Man didn’t land on the moon.
G W Bush had the WTC blown up.
Sony will continue to produce OVF DSLR’s.
All very believable
Frank
7 months ago |Read why this guy has switched to the A99 for those who think it is overpriced…
http://www.frankdoorhof.com/site/2012/11/new-york-day-1-sony-a99-and-fuji-x-e1/
Si
7 months ago |I don’t believe it black text on a brown background, how are meant to read that? Lol
Si
Carl
7 months ago |Bring on that square sensor….
jhemp
7 months ago |I did it!! I got the a99 yesterday in the mail. I had to give the EVF another shot after trying it in the store. I have been comparing it all day to my a900. So far I have found that the a99 sensor is not any sharper than the a900 but it does have a MUCH wider DR than the a900. I can really pull details out of the shadows that I cannot with the a900. I’m still trying to adjust to the EVF, it seems ok. I found the the EVF is not ‘what you see is what you get. it’s more like ‘what you see is close to what you get’
All in all I’m glad I made the upgrade just for the increase in DR.
OneTrackMind
7 months ago |FF A85 or A88…24MP… $1999 (body only)…A99 sensor but not weather sealed, and less features
FF AX1 36MP…higher burst, etc. maybe a Canon 1DX style square pro-body …$3800-4200 (body only)
3rd CAMERA – something tells me this is a future development camera that is being tested but won’t be released for a while. I think it could be a 50+ MP square sensor Medium Format camera. At some point Sony will cut into this market and fight it out with the hasselblad’s of the world
not sure if I see a FF NEX in the future …I think that would kill the RX1 and the novelty it currently has (even though the price is really high)
OneTrackMind
7 months ago |BTW..I’m getting really tired of the Video slamming going on.
I think the Canon 5D Mark II is widely considered a very good camera, but it is also widely used for it’s video capability. I know a decent number of Pro video guys that just use that instead of heavier video rigs. So naturally on the Mark III they (canon) looked to improve on it’s video features too.
I know this is a Sony discussion forum, but are people on Canon forums slamming the Mark III for being a ‘videographers’ camera and not a ‘photographers’ camera like they’re doing here to the A99.
If you don’t like the video features – TURN OFF THE MOVIE BUTTON!!
if you don’t like the EVF – TURN OFF THE SETTINGS EFFECT (and you’ve basically got an OVF)
if you don’t own an A99 – THEN SHUT UP ABOUT ITS SHORTCOMINGS UNTIL YOU’VE TRIED ONE OUT.
JustAPhotog
7 months ago |“if you don’t own an A99 – THEN SHUT UP ABOUT ITS SHORTCOMINGS UNTIL YOU’VE TRIED ONE OUT”.
Well said….Bravo!!!!
CTPhotographX.com
7 months ago |No one is saying you can’t have your video camera. Why would it bother anyone if Sony made a “Stills Only” camera?
No one is saying you can’t have your EVF. Why would it bother anyone if Sony made another OVF?
No slamming going on here at all.
Little Monster
7 months ago |all the latest rumors about new FF camera are just so boring. either FF NEX, or low end FF. i felt more excited back then when rx100 was announced.
Ruffy
7 months ago |According to Sony’s funny clip released in Australia recently, I think Sony will focus more on compact systems in the next years intead of big bodies, Im not saying A mount bodies will be discontinued, but dont expect too much! Sony has to aim to the mirrorless market which is still new to canikon, big dslr market has been dominated by the other 2 guys.
CTPhotographX.com
7 months ago |!!! I want my 50mp OVF HasSony stills only !!!
BTW… To all who claim Sony will NEVER make another OVF camera… Well… The RX1 has a choice of BOTH OVF and EVF optional viewfinders.
Go suck an egg.
OneTrackMind
7 months ago |You do know that the OVF accessory for the RX1 only works because it’s a fixed lens, right? It’s pretty much just a scope you’d put on top of a rifle.
But if it makes you feel better to look through glass then I’m pretty sure you could just attach that little FauxVF to the hot shoe of your current SLT
CTPhotographX.com
7 months ago |Do these three cameras have iISO hotshoe so I can use my fully functional TTL/HSS Pixel King radio slaves with? That would be great since are still more iISO cameras being sold new by Sony than the new style (which no one is lining up to create anything for). I’d rather use an adapter for a microphone than an adapter to use native flash system with.
Simon
7 months ago |Interesting how everyone assumes each successive generation has to have more MP.
Sony may just pop out a 16MP FF high iso, fast AF camera. That’s my wish
OneTrackMind
7 months ago |you are right…people are assuming that the MP will just keep going up. I think that’s why a lot of people were surprised the A99 wasn’t 36MP, since the A77 was 24MP (APS-C).
But considering the current landscape of products, I think people are correct to assume that if there’s a cheaper FF camera, it will be 24MP since the D600 has that (and presumably is using Sony’s sensor). And at the other end, the D800 is using Sony’s 36MP sensor, so again people assume a higher end camera will have that too.
Simon
7 months ago |All assumptions at the end of the day hey
My Konica Minolta 7D is still alive and kickin, and until that moves on, I’ll continue to use it happily, all the while reading these pages to see where my legacy kit will take me.
I found some unused Fuji Reala in my cupboard the other day. Popped the cap and took in the smell of film. Ahh the good ol days LOL!
gabrielefx
7 months ago |virtual infinite pixels?
retina touchscreen?
vocal commands?
wi-fi + lte?
apps for photoretouch?
infrared laser focusing?
…coming soon.
Pietro
7 months ago |How many opinions! It means that the news has excited many users! I have already written on this forum that I did not need a video-camera, I would like a pro photo-camera and new lenses of the highest quality (like my superb Sony 500/4G and Sonnar T*135/1.8) to replace my A900 and my old but still good Minolta lenses.
…please, the A1X with OVF would be better. Understood … Santa Claus?
Fredrik
7 months ago |Hopefully Sony would take the d800 sensor or similar. Tune it, and make it sqare 1:1 That allone would make it around 50 Mp , Bigger = Better DR and shallower DoF. Also, there is no need for vertical grip since it square. All FF lenses can be used as well as PAC with a crop (still 20MP+)
Then we can crop 2:3 or 4:3 in post.
Can they do this for under 3000€ , i will surely buy one and let my CZ 85/1.4 come into true use.
Giuseppe
5 months ago |Please Please OVF, for satisfy also the Oder side of the apple we loves the clarity in A900.
Thanks Sony.
Giuseppe an old Minolta customer
Jean Luc De Marc
5 months ago |Im waiting a long time for pro camera -still choosing which company to marry. Iv decided nooo go Nikon(ugly body). Love canon but always something Sonny has unique- past experiences with other products! And checking the company future prototypes … so Now im 95% to go with Sony and in the future I will posting you tube videos(pro).
What would be pref able in these Ax.. 4k video it would be extremly better than 1DX in HDR but ok if it is without. For video no moire no l…., must shoot 12RAW (extramly hard to acheve with 36Mp not mentioning 50Mp) or more in MAX everything NO QUESTIONS AKS.Serius buffer (pref able 1x bigger what is now out). WB precise fast and accurate!EVF that im 100% that will be-super. Screen 1:1 pixel to pixel (oled would be nice).
These 2OLED-will eat a loot of power. Of course pro body water sealed-these is normal to expect.
Memory -hm why not an ssd: 2 slots(they are small enough) but 2x SD ok.
ISO 200 000 but clean really clean up to 6400 and standard to 50000.
GPS and some king pro connection with pc (usb3 or rj45 or…)
Low light auto-focus and up to f8. Standard focusing points wide and a lot(we know how many canon has them!)+ on sensor. ITC…
Features- Inside crop settings security for unchanged pictures in post and bla bla bla .
We are talking for a pro camera for a company have a goal to be serious and in that respect should these “spec” seriously considered other wise it will always in shadow of Canon.
If any of Sony’s employ’s read these- I would be proud to present in details and learning courses on you tube for camera with these spec.
There is many “little” thinks to be same or better then the rest-but enough writing.
Thank you.