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Will these lenseses be optically stabilized? Otherwise it would be nice if Sony included IBIS in any full frame NEX.

90/2 APO!

You seem to forget one important fact. Sony commissioned Zeiss to make 3 top-of-the-line lenses. On the other hand, the ZMs have slow and affordable lenses because Zeiss wanted to cater to a wide spectrum of customers. This is not what Sony asked Zeiss to design. If I have to pay premium, then I would want both speed and quality in the same package. It’s not a matter of either or. Faster lens has more flexibility; you can’t just go to f/1.4 with an f/2 lens. Most would know that designing a good f/2 is much easier than designing a good f/1.4. But why would you want to settle for less when you pay top dollar? Because of size? If it is so, Sony G/Sigma/Samyang/Tamron would fill in that space. Don’t ask for a less than premium from Zeiss.

And by the way, your argument of Zeiss don’t believe in faster is better is baloney. They will release an uncompromised line-up with 3000 Euros each lens. And guess what? All of them have f/1.4.

I have A mount lens I would like to just be able to upgrade to A850/900 replacment with 36+ mp but I get the sence that sony is moving on from the Minolta body concept, including SLT to now NEX FF? I shoot for a living and have big hands and I like the fill of a nice Body!

Some of the big questions to be answered:

1) Can Sony make a FF NEX and FF lenses that are significantly smaller/lighter than smaller FF DSLRs such as the Nikon D600 and Canon 6D? If not that much smaller, then what problem does it solve in the marketplace?

2) What will be the price? If priced very high relative to FF DSLR systems…then can it compete? Sure Leica does well but it is a very small but lucrative niche market. And most who can afford that type of setup will go with Leica due to the brand name and mystique. Sony has to be careful to not price too high.

And still no flash system for any of it.

Professionals want professional look. Take Video for example. Pro cams still look pro size and there a reason for that. The look, durability, and electronics. Sure a Broadcast cam cost lot’s of money, but also show you mean business. You get a lot of cam with these little cams that all in the business bring, but to be taken very seriously you need a large cam. This is not to say you can’t do with less, you can. I see and hope Sony see this as prosumer and that’s it. Those who want more, but less. This a rumor site. It does not mean there are in on the meeting at Sony Headquarter. There a reason to all the leaks, to get some idea about consumer sentiment.

Sigh, people want a BIGGER NEX body? Why? Why not wish for a smaller mirrorless A99?

I will need more time to fully understand the concepts, thank you guys for the answers.

Sony is really losing its way with overpriced point and shoot cameras like this… A-Mount Full frame or nothing for me.
I dont care how good of a picture quality it has… I want function, comfort, and the A-mount size… Professionals shooting with these small cameras ? No way…

Not sure I can explain but the VG900 is a FF videocamera with Nex E-mount and can use full-frame alpha lenses through a special adapter (LA-EA3)

the adapter only adds the space between the lens and the sensor that would have needed to be there anyway. a proper a mount would be as big as an e mount with an adapter – counting out whatever its needed for focus motor etc on the side (but those things are there in the alpha body as well).

I’d say that A mount is in more need of said cheaper FF lenses. You can’t get a lens wider than 50mm that is not either an expensive Zeiss lens or something designed in the mid-80s.

I don’t get it … Why does this update now make more sense than before this rumor?

You can’t argue to let Zeiss do what they do best – and simultaneously criticize the choices they make as inadequate. When they choose f2 and f2.8 for many of the common focal lengths in the ZM range, I respect them because I know it’s because the lenses are optically superior.

Read what Erwin Putz says. When you try to push a Gaussian 50 faster than f1.5 you need extra elements. This robs contrast and alters the intrinically corrected properties of a symmetrical lens. For any given combination of lens technology ED, ASPH, f2 can be made better.

It’s why I respect Zeiss over Canon and Nikon, they don’t bow popular sentiment that faster is always better.

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Why would Sony lower the price so that you can afford these Zeiss lenses? Comparing the D600 to the future NEX FF is ridiculous. You don’t even know any thing about it yet. If you don’t have enough money now, then save up and buy it later. No one forces you to buy it the same day it’s released.

It’s obviously easier to design a slower lens with better performance. However, it’s already suggested that these Zeiss lenses will be top of the line with premium price tag. So why would you want them to just make a f/2 line-up? There is only so much you can do given the certain lens size and aperture. Unless they use APO and lots of ASPH/ED/LD/UD elemtns, I don’t see the tiny extra gain from size and weight would worth it. If you want to see the less compromised, look no further than the Sony G and Sigma/Tokina/Tamron/Samyang. Let Zeiss do what they do best (just like their recently announced “no compromise,” Ultra Performance, 3,000 Euros line-up). People like you that send out mixed signal to Sony so that they end up with a pathetic 35/2 on the RX-1.

I doubt Zeiss will make lenses for Samsung, let along a FF mirrorless version before 2014…

f2 is a better design sweet spot for normal to wide lenses. Generally they are sharper, contrastier and have better bokeh even if not as pronounced. Eg. the Zeiss planar 50/2 is far sharper and contrastier than the Sonnar 50/1.5. Likewise the current summicron 50/2 compared with the older Summilux 50/1.4 and the summicron has smoother bokeh. The current summicron 50/2 even out-performs the 50/1.4 asph over most of it’s range.

Once, you have one larger and heavier normal lens – say f1.2 or f1.4 with good bokeh, it’s mostly enough. f2 works well for other focal lengths.

I already have Zeiss FF lenses for E-mount. Contax G w/adapter: 28mm/f2.8, 35mm/f2.0, 45mm/f2.0, 90mm/f2.8. Not buying new lenses for the anticipated NEX-9.

Alright then! This gives me more time to save and get at least 1 or 2 FF E-mount lens and the NEX-series FF body. Sony, you got me interested here!!

The VG900 is a fullframe NEX camcorder. People have tested M lenses and found that there are no problems with color cast like the NEX7 or the Leica M9. The problem is that the corners are not sharp.

That’s a good point about size, as size does matter. Not too long ago, cell phones were getting smaller and smaller. Whoever could get the smallest phone would be the winner. And then came the smart phone. Now the race is on for who can have the biggest touch screen.

Full frame f/1.4 lenses? No thanks. They’re just too damn huge – especially for a mirrorless system which is made to be small. If the sensor is full frame, then we can just as well go for a one stop higher ISO without loosing too much IQ or DoF while maintaining acceptably small and light f/2 lenses.

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I bought a SLR so I could have a large Camera. Nex cam is not for me and could care very little.

mmm… how long is the wait?
2013? 2014?…even longer for sony to release the ff nex? if they do that.
personally, i dont care… is not about when sony will give us the new stuff… its when i can afford it.
ff nex ($2500) + cz lense ($1500) = thats at least $4000 to enter the new world ff nex.
so… for me, better get a few premium a mount lenses, or i can get a rx1 and a few good vacation trips to fill it with photos, or just save the $4000 (cause im not rich)
ff nex… lol i wonder how many compromises it will had againts the a99, how many lost features, will it sell?
olympus and panasonic had a clear path and market share with a smaller sensor, nikon had an even smaller one and selling good (at least when they slashed the price in half), and sony that had a stronghold, that its leader in some parts of the world, think “i should get a bigger sensor, expensive cameras and bodies… i want E more like A” and they will be there, like they are now with A in the canikon world, i see they giving up market share in the next years if they follow that path.

2014!? Meaning it will be on sale 2017 if the 24mm is any indication. That´s unacceptable. No, I still cannot buy the 24mm locally.

I think Sony shouldn’t rely too much on Zeiss to make E-Mount FF lenses. Beside the expensive ones, they should make the cheaper version. Like they did with 85mm F/2.8 SAM which is the (much) cheaper version of CZ 85mm F/1.4

june 2014? idiot take a long time

Personally I would not care much about the price if the quality is top notch. If it is supposed to be a premium line, then they should not hold back for the sake of size. Sigma/Sony/Samyang can do other small, slow primes. There are some people willing to pay for top quality. For the mass crowd (though why would the mass going for FF anyway), they would be fine with Sony and 3rd party lenses. Ideally, they should offer:

Stop making f/2 lenses. 25/1.4 (stop making all these 1.8-2 already), 55/1.4 (easier to design than a 50 for both sharpness and bokeh), 85/1.4 or 90/2 APO (either go fast with a bit more compromise at WO, or go extreme with APO). If they can come up with this, they would be surprised how well it will sell (just as the NEX-7 and 5n). There is no point going with f/2 line-up for small size since it would be of much less value compared to larger system. Mirrorless is about the flexibility of going extremely small (on relative basis) or going for extreme quality with slightly smaller in size than DSLR.

Huh, prices for the lenses will be around 3000 Euros…
Read this:
http://www.zeissrumors.com/2012/09/photokina-2-new-ff-zeiss-lens-line.html

Personally, I am planning to maintain my FF DSLR for sports, events, and off-camera flash, but I want a small camera (currently NEX-7) with good glass for landscapes, street, natural-light portraits, etc., and FF e-mount lenses will almost certainly be too big for me personally.

I do not think that Zeiss should develop manual lenses for FF NEX system. Third party manufacturers, like Samyang, will do this instead for much cheaper. Wide-angle with F8.0 and peaking is completely usable for landscape. So, Zeiss should concentrate on AF high-quality glass.

And wish list for FF Zeiss lenses, in manual or AF styles:
28 f/2
35 f/2
90 f/2

RIP A-mount, RIP A77 firmware…

35 f/1.4
50 f/1.4
90 f/2.0

Hmm.. what about A mount? Are Zeiss making more lenses for the A mount?
I personally would prefer A mount..since with A i can use a adapter and use it on the NEX system. But i cant do E to A..

A lot of users want quality, but may want to put money towards lenses and not pay a premium to buy a FF NEX. I suspect the price of the FF NEX over a future APS-C NEX would be enough to cover a very nice lens. Plus, if just 1 – 3 very good lenses are available at introduction then I probably wouldn’t upgrade until more lenses are available. I’d need a 35/1.4 and 50/1.4 at the very least. So the wait could be into 2015 or 2016 and a second generation of the FF NEX (assuming AF of the 1st generation isn’t much better than the RX1) before many NEX users choose to upgrade, if we upgrade. Good glass is still important at the APS-C level.

I think the FF-NEX will be in the same price range the a99 is (like NEX-7 and a77). Short Zeiss lenses will be around 1.500€, longer e.g. 135mm will be more expensive…

They can do what they are doing now, but in full frame mode. Build the body using an E-mount but also include a A to E mount adaptor. If they can get the on-sensor autofocus working well it can be an electronic pass through adaptor like the LA-EA1 or LA-EA3 or if they cannot it can be a full frame version of the LA-EA2. There is no particular reason the body itself has to be small like the current NEX line. You can put the E-mount on a new version of the A99, add in the LA-EA4 and have both a versatile full frame DSLR and a mirrorless camera, although in that case not super compact.

Right now part of the reason for large full frame bodies is the need for larger more powerful processors. Eventually the processors will advanced to the point they can be as small and as power efficient as ones in cameras like the RX100. Then the only physical consideration for the bodies, is holding the camera, holding the lens and places to stick buttons and screens.

I’ll buy them anyways – but only because there’s no ff E-Mount stills camera yet and APS-C has some dof advantages for video use. I don’t know what I’ll do with my three APS-C Zeiss lenses once the ff system is released though …

I do not want to wait for 2014. There are FUJI, Samsung …

12mm f2.8 I am waiting ,what about G zoom (e-mount) ???

So those 3 FF E-mount will under Zeiss, or Sony Zeiss?

And we can expect a full range of coverage of E-mount FF?….So that is time to sell out all current A and E-mount lens before they become vintage? A-mount I know they will offer adapter, but that is not compact enough, and the af doesnt design base on contrast af. For current E-mount, they only cover APSC

Well ZM FF lenses are manual focus only. These will probably be autofocus.
I expect them to be priced as Alpha Zeiss lenses.
That should be fair.

Let’s hope Sony will have any system at all in 2020.

Good news, then we won’t wait Sony till 2020 for having a complete system