One trusted source who shared correct info in the past just told me that he got a “note” saying the Sony A99 will be discontinued this summer. He will send me more info soon about a possible successor launch. Thanks “source” for sharing the info. Hope to get some news from you soon :)

Meantime Full Frame becomes cheaper: [shoplink 26856 ebay]Open Box A7 for $1298 (Samys)[/shoplink] and [shoplink 26857 ebay]A7r for $1900 (6ave)[/shoplink]. Hope Sony will offer a “cheap” FF A-mount soon too!

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The Sony 36MP sensor was already powering the Nikon D800 (Image Source: Chipworks).

Sony is rumored to launch one (or maybe even two) new Full Frame A-mount cameras soon (likely this summer before Photokina). But before that Nikon will announce their new D800/E successor camera in June. According to Dr.Photorumor and Nikonrumors the camera will sue the same Sony A7r 36 MP sensor and overall the camera will feature a lot of small improvements and no real new big feature (like 4K or so).

There are a couple of interesting aspects of that rumor:
1) Nikon will not get a new Sony generation sensor (we were used before with Nikon FF cameras getting brand new Sony sensors 6 months ahead of Sony itself).
2) Nikon will not add 4K to their pro FF cameras. If Sony A99II will have 4K this will be one big unique selling point for Sony.

Can’t wait to hear more about the A99II. Some hints from my trusted sources maybe? :)

[shoplink 26808 ebay][/shoplink]

What you see on top is the nice [shoplink 26808 ebay]Fuji GF670 film camera (here one eBay)[/shoplink]. Well, according to the usually very reliable Fujirumors Fuji launch a medium format version of the same having a new X-PRO 1 alike hybrid viewfinder this summer. What doe sit matter for us? Because it should use the same Sony 50 Megapixel sensor of the recently launched Hasselblad H5D (in Stock now), Phase One IQ250 and Pentax 645Z cameras.

The question now is if Sony will at the same time launch their RX medium format camera. Would be a bit weird Sony outsourcing the sensor to a direct competitor but on the other side that is exactly what Sony keeps doing in the DSLR and Mirrorless market too.

This is going to be a hell of exciting time on SAR this summer! Stay tuned. Lot of things to come for the big Sony Photokina time :)

It’s a real surprise Sony didn’t make a big advertising on one of the Sony A7s biggest new features. According to Amazon US (Click here and read the “Additional Features” section) the A7s has full electronic shutter! It means you can shoot in full silence and with no vibration usually caused by the mechanical shutter! Quite a huge news nobody wrote about it! I hope this isn’t a mistake. This is Amazon’s description:

Silent shutter mode is ideal when discretionary shooting is required; like capturing a recital or wildlife. Activating the silent shutter eliminates the use of the mechanical shutter and therefore shutter noise by utilizing an electronic shutter in its place.

Also the well-known German Fotomagazin claims the Sony A7s is capable of shooting in full electronic shutter mode! The magazine also writes “Sony could not answer our question if the function (pure electronic shutter) could be updated in other Sony-A7-cameras.” (I don’t know if it’s technically possible).

Also Digitalversus writes:

“The other reason we’re dying to get our hands on the Alpha 7s is that it has an electronic shutter mode, which means it can snap photos in complete silence—a more-than-welcome surprise that puts it in competition with the Panasonic GX7.”

There is not detailed info yet about how exactly the silent electronic mode works on the A7s. Hope Sony will disclose more details about it soon!

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A7s and RX100M3 Preorders:
Sony A7s preorder in USA/CA at Amazon (Click here), Adorama (Click here), BHphoto (Click here), Sony (Click here), Sony Canada.
RX100M3 preorders in USA at Amazon (Click here), Adorama (Click here), BHphoto (Click here), Sony (Click here).
RX100M3 preorders in Eu at Sony DE, UK, ES, FR, IT, NL, BE, AT, CH, SE, NO, FI, PT.
RX100M3 in Asia at Amazon Japan.
Sony A7s EU pages (no preorder yet): Sony DE, UK, ES, FR, IT, NL, SE, FI, PL.

A77II Preorders:
Sony A77II body in USA at Amazon (Click here), Adorama (Click here), Sony Store (Click here) and BHphoto (Click here).
Sony A77II with 16-50mm lens at Amazon (Click here), Adorama (Click here), Sony Store (Click here) and BHphoto (Click here).
Sony A77II body in Europe at Sony Germany, Sony UK, Sony France, Sony IT, ES, NL, BE, AT, CH, PT, NO, SE, FI.

SonyAlphaRumors support note: If you use these store links to preorder the camera I will earn a small commission that will help me to cover the cots and if preorders are high also reward me a bit for the daily work I do on SAR. Thanks for your help guys!!!!

UPDATE: Sony announce the stuff today (May 16):
Sony A7s preorder in USA at Amazon US (Click here), BHphoto (Click here), SonyStore (Click here).
RX100M3 preorders in USA at Amazon (Click here), BHphoto (Click here), SonyStore (Click here).
RX100M3 preorders in EU at Sony DE, UK, ES, FR, IT, NL, BE, AT, CH, SE, NO, FI, PT.
RX100M3 in Asia at Amazon Japan.
Sony A7s EU pages (no preorder yet): Sony DE, UK, ES, FR, IT, NL, SE, FI, PL.

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We know everything about the great RX100M3 and hopefully price and preorders of the A7s will be announced too. And I hope Sony will find some time to show us an image of the Zeiss 16-35mm FE too!
In a few hours Sony will announce the new stuff. Here is the exact time shared by our sources:

San Francisco: 9pm (still May 15 there)
New York: 12 pm (still May 15 there)
London: 5am (5:00) of May 16
Berlin: 6am (6:00) of May 16
Tokyo: 1pm (13:00) of May 16.

As usual you can follow the event live here on SonyAlphaRumors. I will take quite some coffee to share you all links to news, reviews, preorders and more!

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UPDATE: Sony announce the stuff today (May 16):
Sony A7s preorder in USA at Amazon US (Click here), BHphoto (Click here), SonyStore (Click here).
RX100M3 preorders in USA at Amazon (Click here), BHphoto (Click here), SonyStore (Click here).
RX100M3 preorders in Eu at Sony DE, UK, ES, FR, IT, NL, BE, AT, CH, SE, NO, FI, PT.
RX100M3 in Asia at Amazon Japan.
Sony A7s EU pages (no preorder yet): Sony DE, UK, ES, FR, IT, NL, SE, FI, PL.

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These are the first images of the amazing new RX100M3 that will be announced on May 16 at 5am London time. I kindly invite you all to follow the announcement live here on SonyAlphaRumors!

As you can see the RX100M3 has a high-resolution built-in pop-up viewfinder. The camera costs 849 Euro or $899 Canadian Dollars.  The amazing new features compared to its predecessors are:

1) Zeiss 24-70mm f/1.8-2.8 lens which is wider and brighter than the previous Zeiss 28-100mm f/1.8-4.9 lens
2) 0.39″ SVGA electronic viewfinder pop-up OLED viewfinder with 1,440,000 dots.
3) Built-in ND filter
4) XAVC-S video recording just like the Sony A7s

Some people complained that the compact is very expensive but they do forget that an external viewfinder usually costs $200-300 (here at Amazon) and ont he RX100M3 it’s included and nicely hidden when you don’t need it. That way the camera remains truly compact!

The new camera is 2,5mm thicker than the RX100M2 (and 5mm thicker than the first generation RX100). Full specs can be read here: http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-rx100miii-priced-at-899-canadiad-us-dollars-full-specs-leaked/.

UPDATE: More images:

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UPDATE: Sony announce the stuff today (May 16):
Sony A7s preorder in USA at Amazon US (Click here), BHphoto (Click here), SonyStore (Click here).
RX100M3 preorders in USA at Amazon (Click here), BHphoto (Click here), SonyStore (Click here).
RX100M3 preorders in Eu at Sony DE, UK, ES, FR, IT, NL, BE, AT, CH, SE, NO, FI, PT.
RX100M3 in Asia at Amazon Japan.
Sony A7s EU pages (no preorder yet): Sony DE, UK, ES, FR, IT, NL, SE, FI, PL.

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These are the full Sony RX100M3 specs. The camera will be announced tomorrow May 16 at 5 am Lond time! The price is $899 Canadian dollars or 849 Euro. Full specs have been leaked through Sony Store Canada (UPDATE: Sony Canada now removed the content):

• Software

  • Operating System Compatibility : PlayMemories Home: Windows^® XP SP3, Windows Vista^® SP2, Windows^®7 SP1, Windows^®8 (PlayMemories Home is not Mac compatible); PlayMemories Online Uploader: Windows XP SP3, Windows Vista^®SP2, Windows^®7 SP1, Windows^®8, Mac OS X (v10.5- v10.8); Image Data Converter Version 4.2: Windows^® XP SP3,Windows Vista^® SP2,Windows^®7 SP1,Windows^®8, Mac OS X (v10.5- v10.8)
  • Supplied Software : Supplied Software: PlayMemories™ Home, Image Data Converter Version 4 (via software download from camera)

• Advanced Features

  • Image Stabilization : [Still Image] Optical [Movie] Active Mode, Optical type with electronic compensation (Anti-rolling)
  • Auto High Dynamic Range : Yes, (Auto Exposure Difference, Exposure difference Level (1-6 EV at 1.0 EV step), off)
  • Sweep Panorama : Horizontal (Wide/Standard), Vertical (Wide/Standard)
  • Face Detection : On, Off, Face Registration, Face Selection; maximum eight faces detected
  • Priority Setting (for Face Detection) : Yes (eight faces max) New Registration / Order Exchanging / Delete / Delete All
  • Smile Shutter™ technology : Smile shutter (selectable from 3 steps)

• Camera

  • Camera Type : Cyber-shot^® Digital Still Camera
  • Lens Compatibility : Fixed lens
• • Colour : Black

• Convenience Features

  • Media/Battery Indicator : Yes
  • View & Index : Single (with or without shooting information), RGB histogram and highlight/shadow warning, 4/9-frame index view, Enlarged display mode (L: 13.6x, M: 9.9x, S: 6.8x), Auto Review (10/5/2 sec, Off), Image orientation (On/Off), Slideshow, Panorama scrolling, Folder selection (still), Forward/Rewind (movie), Delete, Protect

• Drive System

  • Continuous Shooting Speed : 10 fps at 20.2MP
  • Burst Buffer : JPEG Standard (12 shots) JPEG Fine (12 shots) RAW (13 shots) RAW+JPEG (10 shots)
  • Shutter Speeds : iAuto (4 – 1/2000) / Program Auto (1 – 1/2000) / Manual (Bulb, 30 – 1/2000) / Aperture Priority (8 – 1/2000) / Shutter Priority (30 – 1/2000)
  • Self-timer : 10 sec. / 2 sec. / Self-portrait One-person/ Self-portrait Two-person/ Self timer Continuous (3 or 5 shots)
  • Drive Mode : Single-shot, Continuous, Speed Priority Continuous, Self-timer (10/2 sec. delay), Self-timer (Cont.), Self-portrait One-person, Self-portrait Two-person, (with 10 sec. delay; 3/5 exposures), Bracketing

• Exposure System

  • D-Range Optimizer : Off, Dynamic Range Optimizer (Auto/Level 1-5), Auto High Dynamic Range: Off, Auto Exposure Difference, Exposure difference Level (1.0-6.0EV, 1.0EV step)
  • Auto Exposure Lock : Yes (AE Lock button). Can be disabled from menu
  • Exposure Compensation : +/- 3.0 EV, 1/3 EV step
  • Minimum Illumination : Movie: Auto:1.2lux(Shutter Speed 1/30″)
  • Picture Effect(s) : [Still Image] Toy Camera, Pop Color, Posterization, Retro Photo, Soft High- key, Partial Color, High Contrast Monochrome, Soft Focus, HDR Painting, Rich-tone Monochrome, Miniature, Watercolor, Illustration [Movie] Toy Camera, Pop Color, Posterization, Retro Photo, Soft High-key, Partial Color, High Contrast Monochrome
  • Exposure Settings : [Still] Superior Auto, Intelligent Auto, Program Auto (Program shift available), Shutter Priority, Aperture Priority, Manual, Scene Selection, Movie, Sweep Panorama [Movie] Program Auto, Aperture Priority, Shutter Priority, Manual
  • Scene Mode(s) : Anti Motion Blur, Fireworks, Gourmet, Handheld Twilight, High Sensitivity, Landscape, Macro, Night Portrait, Night Scene, Pet Mode, Portrait, Sports Action, Sunset
  • Metering Modes : Multi-segment, Center-weighted, Spot
  • Metering Sensitivity : EV 0 to 20 (at ISO100 equivalent)
  • ISO : Auto(ISO125-12800, selectable with upper / lower limit),125/160/200/250/320/400/500/640/800/1000/1250/1600/2000/2500/3200/4000/5000/6400/8000/10000/12800 (Extendableto ISO80/100),Multi-Frame NR:Auto(ISO125-12800), 200/400/800/1600/3200/6400/12800/25600
  • Creative Style : Standard, Vivid, Neutral, Clear, Deep, Light, Portrait, Landscape, Sunset, Night Scene, Autumn Leaves, Black & White, Sepia, Style Box
  • Color Temperature : 2500 – 9900K with 15-step each Magenta/Green compensation (G7 to M7), Amber/Blue (A7 to B7), Custom
  • ISO Sensitivity (Movie) : Auto:(ISO125Level-ISO12800Level, selectable with upper / lower limit), 125/160/200/250/320/400/500/640/800/1000/1250/1600/2000/2500/3200/4000/5000/6400/8000/10000/12800
  • White Balance Mode : Auto / Daylight / Shade / Cloudy / Incandescent / Fluor (Warm White) / Fluor (Cool White) / Fluor (Day White) / Fluor (Daylight) / Flash / C. Temp., Filter / Custom
  • Exposure Bracketing : 3 continuous or single shots in 1/3 or 2/3 EV steps
  • WB Shift : G7-M7,A7-B7

• Flash

  • Flash Bracketing : ±2.0 EV
  • Flash Metering System : Pre-flash TTL
  • Flash Compensation : ±2.0 EV (switchable between 1/3 EV steps)
  • Recycling Time : Approx. 3.4 sec.
  • Flash Modes : Auto / Fill-flash / Slow Sync / Rear Sync / Off
  • Flash Coverage : ISO Auto: 1’ to 49’ 2” (0.30m to 15.0m) (W) / 1’ 9” – 18’ 8” (0.55m to 5.7m) (T) ISO 12800: Up to 98’ 5” (30.0m) (W) / 37’ (11.3m) (T)
  • Flash Type : Built-in, Pop-up Auto

• Focus Control

  • Focus Features : Predictive control (AF-A, AF-C), Focus Lock
  • AF Illuminator : Built-in LED, Range: approx. 3′ 4” – 9′ 9” (0.3m-3.0m)
  • Focus Sensitivity : EV 0 to 20 EV (at ISO100 equivalent)
  • Focus Area : Multi point AF (25 points) / Continuous AF / Single Shot AF / Flexible spot (S/M/L) / Lock on AF (Wide/Center/Flexible Spot (S/M/L))
  • Focus Points : 25 points
  • AF Modes : Single-shot AF (AF-S) / Continuous AF (AF-C) / Direct Manual Focus (DMF) / Manual Focus
  • Focus System : Contrast-detect AF

• Imaging Sensor

  • Pixel Gross : 20.9M pixels (approx.)
  • Focal Length Conversion Factor : 2.7x
  • Color Filter System : RGB primary color filters
  • Effective Picture Resolution : 20.1M pixels (approx.)
  • Imaging Sensor : Exmor^® R 1.0” CMOS sensor (13.2 X 8.8mm) (3:2 aspect ratio)
  • Processor : BIONZ^® X image processor

• Interface

  • NFC : Yes (NFC Forum Type 3 Tag compatible, One-touch remote, One-touch sharing)
  • DC IN : Yes, via AC-UB10 AC charger and USB cable
  • Memory Card Slot : Dual compatibility slot: Memory Stick PRO Duo™/Pro-HG Duo™/PRO-HG HX Duo™ media – SD, SDHC and SDXC memory card
  • HD Output : HDMI^® (Type D micro)
  • Wi-Fi : Yes
  • Accessory Shoe : Multi Interface Shoe
  • Tripod Mount : Yes (1/4″ diameter, 20 threads per inch)
  • Remote Commander : Yes, via RM-VPR1
  • PhotoTV HD : Yes, with BRAVIA Sync enabled HDTV and HDMI^® cable
  • USB Port(s) : USB 2.0 Hi-speed (mass-storage, MTP)
  • BRAVIA® Sync™ : Yes, via HDMI^® with compatible BRAVIA HDTV (link menu)
  • Microphone Input : Via MI Shoe + Optional ECM-XYST1M

• LCD Display

  • Peaking : Yes Level setting: High/Mid/Low/Off Color: White/Red/Yellow
  • Real-time image adjustment display : Yes (On/Off)
  • LCD Type : 3.0” (7.5cm) (4:3) / 1,229,000 dots / Xtra Fine / TFT LCD / Tiltable (Up by approx. 180degrees, down by approx. 45degrees.)
  • Coverage : 100% Field of View
  • Angle Adjustment : Tilt angle: Up by approx. 180degrees, down by approx. 45degrees
  • Histogram : Yes (On/off)
  • Live View : Continuous Live View
  • Brightness Control : Auto / Manual(5 steps) / Sunny Weather
  • Grid Display : Yes (Rule of Thirds, 4×6 Square, Diagonal & 4×6 Square Grids, Off)
  • Customization : Grid, Histogram display, Digital Level Gauge, Grid Line, Magnified display for playback

• Optics/Lens

  • Optical Zoom : 2.9x (Optical Zoom during movie recording)
  • Minimum Focus Distance : iAuto: AF (W: Approx. 5cm (0.17 ft.) to Infinity, T: Approx. 30cm (0.99 ft.) to Infinity) / Program Auto: AF (W: Approx. 5cm (0.17 ft.) to Infinity, T: Approx.30cm (0.99 ft.) to Infinity)
  • Lens Type : Carl Zeiss^® Vario-Sonnar T*
  • Aperture (Max.) : F1.8(W)-2.8(T)
  • Aperture : F1.8 – 11 (W), F2.8 – 11 (T)
  • Aspheric Elements : 9 aspheric elements including AA lens
  • Aperture Blade : Iris diaphragm (7 blades)
  • Digital Zoom : Still image: 20M Approx.11x / 10M 16x / 5M 23x / VGA 44x; Movie: Approx.11x
  • Lens Construction : 10 elements in 9 groups (9 aspheric elements including AA lens)
  • Steady Shot Mode:Active : [Still image] Optical [Movie] Active Mode, Optical type with electronic compensation (Anti-rolling)
  • ND Filter : Auto / On(3 steps) / Off
  • Clear Image Zoom : Still Image: 20M Approx. 5.8x / 10M 8.2x / 5M 11x / VGA Approx. 44x; Movie: Approx. 5.8x
  • Focal Length (35mm equivalent) : [Still Image 3:2] f=24-70mm [Still Image 16:9] f=26-76mm [Still Image 4:3] f=25-73mm [Still Image 1:1] f=30.5-89mm [Movie 16:9] f=25.5-74mm (SteadyShot Standard), f=30-86mm (SteadyShot^® Active Mode), f=33.5-95mm(SteadyShot Intelligent Active) [Movie 4:3] f=31-90mm (SteadyShot^® Standard), f=37-105mm (SteadyShot Active Mode), f=41-117mm (SteadyShot InteligentActive)

• Power

  • Battery Type : InfoLITHIUM^® NP-BX1 (3.6V)
  • Power Requirements : AC 100V to 240V, 50/60 Hz, 70mA
  • Power Consumption (in Operation) : Approx. 1.8W
  • Number of Still Images : Approx. 320 images with LCD monitor (CIPA standard)
  • Battery Capacity : 4.5Wh (1240mAh)

• Recording

  • Panorama Still Image Size : Wide (12,416×1,856/5,536×2,160), Standard(8,192×1,856/3,872×2,160)
  • Audio Format : XAVC S: LPCM 2ch; AVCHD:Dolby Digital(AC-3) 2ch(Dolby Digital Stereo Creator); MP4:M PEG-4 AAC-LC 2ch
  • Video Format : XAVC S / AVCHD Ver. 2.0 / MP4 (MPEG-4 AVC (H.264))
  • Video Mode : XAVC S: 60p 50M(1,920×1,080/60p) / 30p 50M(1,920×1,080/30p) / 24p 50M(1,920×1,080/24p) / 120p 50M(1,280×720/120p) AVCHD: 28M PS(1,920×1,080/60p) / 24M FX(1,920×1,080/60i) / 17M FH(1,920×1,080/60i) / 24M FX(1,920×1,080/24p) / 17M FH(1,920×1,080/24p) MP4: 12M(1,440×1,080/30fps) / 3M VGA(640×480/30fps)
  • Color Space : sRGB standard (with sYCC gamut) and Adobe RGB standard compatible with TRILUMINOS™ Color
  • Still Image Size 16:9 : L:17M(5,472×3,080) / M: 7.5M(3,648×2,056) / S: 4.2M(2,720×1,528)
  • Still Image Size 3:2 : L: 20M(5,472×3,648) / M: 10M(3,888×2,592) / S: 5M(2,736×1,824)
  • Still Image Mode : JPEG (Standard, Fine), RAW, RAW+JPEG
  • Media Type : SD, SDHC and SDXC memory card; Memory Stick PRO Duo™/Pro-HG Duo™ media
  • Still Image Max Effective Resolution : 20.1 Megapixels
  • Still Image Size 4:3 : L: 18M(4,864×3,648) / M: 10M(3,648×2,736) / S: 5M(2,592×1,944)
  • Video Signal : NTSC color, EIA standards
  • Microphone/Speaker : Built-in Stereo Microphone / Mono Speaker
  • Still Image Size 1:1 : L: 13M(3,648×3,648) / M: 6.5M(2,544×2,544) / S: 3.7M(1,920×1,920)
  • Mic Level Control : 16 steps
  • Still Image File Format : JPEG (DCF Ver. 2.0, Exif Ver.2.3, MPF Baseline compliant), RAW (Sony ARW 2.3 format)
  • Wind Noise Reduction : Yes (On/Off)

• Service and Warranty Information

  • Limited Warranty Term : 1 Year Parts & Labor

• Viewfinder

  • Type : 0.39″ SVGA electronic viewfinder(OLED), 1,440,000dots
  • Magnification : Approx. 0.59x with 50mm lens at infinity, -1m¹(diopter) (35mm equiv.)
  • Diopter Adjustment : -4.0 to +3.0m^-1

• Weights and Measurements

  • Weight(Approx) (Main unit only) : 9.3 oz. (263 g)
  • Dimensions (Approx.) : 4 ” × 2 3/8 ” × 1 5/8 ” (101.6×58.1×41.0 mm) excluding protrusions
  • Weight (Approx.) : With battery and Memory Stick PRO Duo Approx.10.2 oz. (290 g)

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SR4=rumor from known sources
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